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Topic: Politics
Posted By: BMC21113
Subject: Politics
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 00:53
I can usually tell by the posts what your political stance is, but some people have really confused me. I want to see how this forum "breaks down."

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"The art of war is, in the last result, the art of keeping one's freedom of action."-Xenophon



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Posted By: Mila
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 00:55
I'd say moderate left. Or "Inoffensive Centrist Democracy" as my NationStates country says.

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Posted By: BMC21113
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 00:56
I would consider myself to be "hard right," though by no means extreme.

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"The art of war is, in the last result, the art of keeping one's freedom of action."-Xenophon


Posted By: BMC21113
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 00:58

Originally posted by Mila

I'd say moderate left. Or "Inoffensive Centrist Democracy" as my NationStates country says.

-Nothing wrong with a moderate!  They tend to look out for the interests of everyone!



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"To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace"-George Washington
"The art of war is, in the last result, the art of keeping one's freedom of action."-Xenophon


Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 01:02
Moderate left i'd say. Perhaps more specificly, somewhat libitarian overall (especialy socialy/culturaly as well as on many economic freedom fronts), but with a tendancy to support some basic national wellfare instututions, mostly limited to education and healthcare.

Problem is people's perceptions of left and right are set by the political culture of the country that they live in, which are not always universal. People may hold some views associated with the right in country A, but are clealy on the left by country B's standards.


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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 06:23
i voted extrem left , cause ,when i was playing football i was  a left defender , i played basketball for a very long time , i played left wing , i'm left handed and off course i support left partys.



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Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 06:26
Moderate left.

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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 06:49
Originally posted by ulrich von hutten

i voted extrem left , cause ,when i was playing football i was  a left defender , i played basketball for a very long time , i played left wing , i'm left handed and off course i support left partys.



And don't forget that your heart is at the left side of your boody and that your blood is red.


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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 06:58
i voted other
left ideals mainly, and maybe i am a moderate lefty if i had to pick. though i still think a free market is a good thing so im disqualified in my own mind.

 i vote on the right person and feel idealogy if followed too closely is actaully bad. Dogamatism in general lacks creativity.


Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 07:05

It depends on the issue. On some I'm conservative, on others liberal (in the UK sense), on others some in the US would call me socialist, though I wouldn't.

But to pick a stance, you'd have to specify the issue.

 



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Posted By: Ahmed The Fighter
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 08:14
I am a Moderate right.

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Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 08:25
All these categories are somewhat relative, but as we know by now from which side of the political spectrum the author of this poll comes from, I would defintely say, "Extreme left".

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 08:46
Hard left

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Posted By: Jhangora
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 09:16

Moderate right.

Whats ur guess judging by my posts BMC.



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Posted By: sedamoun
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 09:24
Moderate Left - social democrate.

Cheers.


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Posted By: BMC21113
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 13:30
Originally posted by Jhangora

Moderate right.

Whats ur guess judging by my posts BMC.

-Give me some topics that you have actively posted on and I can probably tell you.....



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"To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace"-George Washington
"The art of war is, in the last result, the art of keeping one's freedom of action."-Xenophon


Posted By: Svyturys
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 13:36

I support - nothing.  Here is no good political systems ( But i will create it )

I'm actually right winged. But are peoples so close minded and thinks that right winged man is nazi?



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Posted By: BMC21113
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 13:39
No, they will only call you a nazi if they disagree with your stance on an issue.  Don't let it bother you....... it is usually for intimidation or to discredit your argument.

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"To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace"-George Washington
"The art of war is, in the last result, the art of keeping one's freedom of action."-Xenophon


Posted By: Svyturys
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 13:53
You know, at theese days is a crime to be patriotic, or even right winged...

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Every moment, like last, neither earth, nor sky don't calculate time. Left only one heart in scorched bosom. Throbing only drums again, calling us into battle.


Posted By: Kemalist_Mehmet
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 14:25

I am Socialist_Kemalist so Hard left



Posted By: BMC21113
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 14:39

Svyturys

-I do not know if you are familiar with American politics, but often each political side will consider the other criminal!  



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"To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace"-George Washington
"The art of war is, in the last result, the art of keeping one's freedom of action."-Xenophon


Posted By: Beylerbeyi
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 14:40

I think 'moderate' is an adjective, not a noun. 'Complete moderate' is therefore meaningless. Also 'extreme' is a biased adjective. 'Hard' is an ambigious adjective not common in political terminology. And last but not least, it is all relative as people already wrote.

I'd suggest: Radical Right - Right - Centre Right - Centre Left - Left - Radical Left

No 'other' category and no 'centre', but the latter can be added.

Having said that, I am at extreme left, judging from other people in here.

  



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Posted By: BMC21113
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 14:41

Well so far, there is an obvious slant...... I am shocked!



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"To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace"-George Washington
"The art of war is, in the last result, the art of keeping one's freedom of action."-Xenophon


Posted By: BMC21113
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 14:42
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

I think 'moderate' is an adjective, not a noun. 'Complete moderate' is therefore meaningless. Also 'extreme' is a biased adjective. 'Hard' is an ambigious adjective not common in political terminology. And last but not least, it is all relative as people already wrote.

I'd suggest: Radical Right - Right - Centre Right - Centre Left - Left - Radical Left

No 'other' category and no 'centre', but the latter can be added.

Having said that, I am at extreme left, judging from other people in here.

  

-Well, as long as everyone understands what they are voting on.....that is enough for me.



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"The art of war is, in the last result, the art of keeping one's freedom of action."-Xenophon


Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 14:47

Originally posted by Svyturys

You know, at theese days is a crime to be patriotic, or even right winged...

Tell me about it.



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Posted By: Heraclius
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 15:47
 I'm to lazy and bored senseless by politics in general to take the time to figure out where I belong.

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Posted By: Jorsalfar
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 17:25
Hard left


Posted By: Illuminati
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 19:56
I voted moderate. Moderates and independants are the only one's I trust, as they are the only ones smart enought to see that politics is nothing but a civil war between two very different sides that fight using the same dirty tactics. 

Rightists and leftists just get stuck up in their own idealologies and spend most of their time trying to find a way to demonize the other side. If given power, Rightists and leftists would both end up committing the same crimes, but would do so with different "motives"

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Posted By: Ikki
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 20:29
This site can help:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/ - http://www.politicalcompass.org/








About the thread: Moderate Left


Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 22:01
I think I am something between Hard Left (Kemalist) and Extreme Left (Communist).

I did not vote.


Posted By: sedamoun
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 17:14
Originally posted by Kemalist_Mehmet

I am Socialist_Kemalist so Hard left



The six arrows of Kemalism:

Kemalist Ideology, also known as Kemalism and Six Arrows, is based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk" title="Kemal Atatrk - Atatrk 's six principles (in Turkish http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alt%C4%B1_Ok&action=edit" class="new" title="Altı Ok - Altı Ok ) while founding the modern Turkish Republic. Also the symbol of the Republican People's Party ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHP" title="CHP - CHP = Cumhuriyet Halk Partisi), which was also established by Mustafa Kemal Atatrk just before (9th September 1923) the declaration of the Turkish Republic in 29th October 1923

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalism#Republicanism_.28Cumhuriyet.C3.A7ilik.29 - - 1 - Republicanism (Cumhuriyetilik)
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalism#Populism_.28Halk.C3.A7.C4.B1l.C4.B1k.29 - - 2 - Populism (Halkılık)
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalism#Secularism_.28Laiklik.29 - - 3 - Secularism (Laiklik)
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalism#Revolutionism_.2evrimcilik.29">4 Revolutionism (Devrimcilik)
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalism#Nationalism_.28Milliyet.C3.A7ilik.29 - - 5 - Nationalism (Milliyetilik)
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalism#Statism_.2evlet.C3.A7ilik.29">6 Statism (Devletilik)
Is this Left? a mix between Extreme Left and Extreme Right? Even Hitler said "I am economically right winged, socialy left-winged and my heart is german". This HAS to please the masses... --> Poplulism.

Cheers kardas.



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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 17:24
None of the principles you mentioned has any ties to the right-wing.

Kemalism belongs to the left-wing; socially, economically and politically...


Posted By: kotumeyil
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 19:05

I'm at Extreme-left.

By the way, Kemalism is a pragmatic program and I think it is not true to place it right or left. In Turkey we have some people who claim that they are both extreme leftists/rightists and Kemalists. AFAIK a somewhat similar situation is about Peronism in Argentina: there were rightist Peronists and leftist Peronists (though I don't know too much)... 



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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 19:12

"Left" and "right" arose as a designation for those who sat on either wing of the French parliament under the rule of the Kings in the 18th century. It respectively defines you as someone who either wants reform or preservation of the status quo.

I am aware of its current meaning, and also aware of how such meanings differ from one nation and individual understanding to the next. The idea of fitting myself into such a category is neither valid nor appealing. I think each area of policy and national welfare must be made individually based on consideration of all the relevant circumstances. To automatically try to "slant" policy a certain way because you are "left or right" seems to me nothing short of sabotage.

For the understanding of those asking the original question, I am a mixture of left and right depending on individual policy and its circumstances. On a general issue such as immigration I may go more to the right, while on issues such as health and education benefits for disadvantaged members of society I am more to the left. But that is generally speaking, better to give oneself some room to manuever.



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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 19:33
I put hard right but I cannot say extreme because there are a few issues I can agree with the moderates and liberals.
But, even though I am conservative I am not a Bush supporter, I am Independent.
I wonder though if left or right could have different meanings in different parts of the world.

As a conservative I would give Bush a D+ to a C- when you consider certains issues he is not dealing with but those issues are not the purpose of this thread.

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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 20:34

Originally posted by eaglecap



As a conservative I would give Bush a D+ to a C- when you consider certains issues he is not dealing with but those issues are not the purpose of this thread.

Looks like his presidential performance is consistent with his university scores



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Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 20:47

Originally posted by eaglecap

I wonder though if left or right could have different meanings in different parts of the world.

Of course. One of the interesting things about the American political system is that it is essentially a two-party system, and in their fight for votes, sometimes Republican politicians would say things that Democrat politicians say and vice versa.

Maybe as a result of that, I am yet to see any signficant American politicians whose views are as "extreme right" as those of France's Jean-Marie Le Pen or Austria's Jrg Haider.



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Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 20:52

Oh, I forgot to mention Australia's Pauline Hanson ...



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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 21:32
If we look at Atatrk's principles one by one, we will see that Kemalism is a left-wing ideology.

Claims, at this point, are really irrelevant. I mean, even football clubs are trying to use Atatrk!


Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 21:59
Originally posted by flyingzone

Oh, I forgot to mention Australia's Pauline Hanson ...

That is a little old now. Once she actually gained a seat in parliament the other parties practically conspired against her to bring her party down. As the major parties put Hanson's party last on their list of preferences in voting, the One Nation Party quickly ran out of steam. A variety of other bureaucratic and legal measures allowed the government to destroy her as a political force and soon even put her in gaol for electoral fraud.

In the end it had a happy ending. She was released from prison following an appeal and went on to compete in a popular TV ballroom dancing show, where her rather suave performance led to public rehabilitation.  All politics were laid aside, she is happy, the public is happy, the politicians are happy. I think things could not possibly have had a better ending. However, as much as we may hate it even rednecks need a voice (let's try to make sure it is a polite and intelligent one representing areas of legitimate national concern).



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Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 22:13

I did hear about Hansen's participation in the TV ballroom dancing show ... How funny it is - in a bizarre way ...

By the way, I think calling her just a "redneck" doesn't do justice to her political agenda. If there's someone who deserves to be called a neo-fascist, it should be her.



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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 22:32

Situationism doesn't seem to be there.....  Nothing for me to vote for.

then again, just occaisionally in moments of weakness my carefully cultivated Cynical Nihilist ideology slips and my innate Stalinism surfaces. So I voted moderate left.



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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 22:33
Originally posted by flyingzone

I did hear about Hansen's participation in the TV ballroom dancing show ... How funny it is - in a bizarre way ...

By the way, I think calling her just a "redneck" doesn't do justice to her political agenda. If there's someone who deserves to be called a neo-fascist, it should be her.

I don't want to hijack this thread, which is a very intelligent one, to put the spotlight on Pauline Hanson. However, I must disagree with you. Redneck is far more fitting, for the following reason:

When asked how she would manage economic difficulties or shortages of cashflow, Hanson gave the reply "print more money".

Fascists have at least proven themselves somewhat capable at running nations and economies. After that comment I can only class Hanson as a redneck hick. Can anyone say hyperinflation



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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 22:58

I think polls like this (no offense) show the sad state of political discourse many people use.  Theres only right wing, left wing, and some people in the middle.  Real life cannot be so neatly defined.  So far Illuminattis post is th emost intelligent of the thread though.  Both left and right are nothing but brainwashing ideologies used by sleazeballs to manipulate the thoughts of their mindless followers.

I cant say Im moderate because Im an extremist, but Im an extremist all over the place.  For every extreme "right wing" position I have I have a "left wing" position somewhere else just as extreme.  I think both classifications are insulting to the issues and to intelligence in general.

The best ideology is one where you support any issue based not on where it comes from but if it benefits YOU personally.  Nothing is worse than a person that believes in something contrary to their real intrests, and yet it seems so common.



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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 03:50
Originally posted by Ikki

This site can help:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/ - http://www.politicalcompass.org/



It was posted before in another tavern topic. My results (no wonder):

Economic Left/Right: -9.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23




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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 04:43
 I agree with Tobodai.

Firstly we have to focus on the application of democracy it self.Then,we can decide about the arrangement of our economies.But whatever we'll decide,it will be just and by the spirit of "fair play",because this is "the" prerequisite of democracy.

People tend to distance them self from politics,for a number of reasons and trust the handling of their state in "proffesional" polititians.The mistrust growing between them is justified,but it's not the polititians to blame (mainly).




Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 08:41
Originally posted by eaglecap


I wonder though if left or right could have different meanings in different parts of the world.

Yes, what is called 'extreme left' in America is 'centre right' in Europe


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 08:43
Originally posted by Maju

Originally posted by Ikki

This site can help:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/ - http://www.politicalcompass.org/



It was posted before in another tavern topic. My results (no wonder):

Economic Left/Right: -9.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23

bah, I used to be the most left wing here. I had -8.something for both economic and social.



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Posted By: sedamoun
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 10:52

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21

Moderate Left... i am right about one thing... i know myself. Always a good start.

Cheers.



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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 17:13

Economic +7.2 to the right

Social, -8.42 to the left



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Posted By: jfmff
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 21:12
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77

Near the Dalai Lama


Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 21:27

Economic Left/Right: 5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.82



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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 21:46
Economic Left/Right: -9.38

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.23

I am a liberal? Obviously it is because I chose not to ban abstract art.



Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 21:58

Economic left/right = -6.75

Social libertarian/authoritarian = -6.92



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Posted By: BMC21113
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 22:14

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: 2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.44



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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 23:20
Originally posted by Genghis

<H2>Economic Left/Right: 5.75Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.82 </H2>


This test is no good. Genghis only got a 2.82 Authoritarian points.

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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 23:24
I know how hard it is to be a patriot these days too:

center-left patriot



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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 11-Jan-2006 at 05:57

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67

A couple of the statements are confusing - like 'the rich are taxed too heavily' or whatever it was.

I guess they meant in the US, but the answer has to vary depending on which country/time period you consider. Same was true of some other questions.

 



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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 11-Jan-2006 at 19:49
Yes its too America specific to be that good on an international forum.  Still, I have the highest anti government points of anyone, especially socially.  Only Maju comes close, but still he is second.

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Posted By: kotumeyil
Date Posted: 11-Jan-2006 at 20:04

Your political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -9.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.31

I think I'm the most leftist here

Authoritarian
Left





















Right
Libertarian



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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 12-Jan-2006 at 00:36
While having the test, you can easily predict what your answer will cause at the end.

So this test does not show what you are, but what you want to be.



Posted By: BMC21113
Date Posted: 12-Jan-2006 at 01:17
Good point! It would be very sad though for a person to lie on a test they are giving themselves.  

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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 12-Jan-2006 at 01:59
Man i've taken that test so many times i can't be arsed anymore.
I'm usualy in the region of -3 tp -1 on the economic front, and -8 to -6 on the social front.
I've also noticed that if i take the test whilst in a bad mood, i get more authotarian scores, but still a long way from Hitler, so relax peeps.


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Posted By: BMC21113
Date Posted: 12-Jan-2006 at 02:18
I am too lazy to retake the test, can somebody please post the "scale" of the results. Ex: rankings: Bush, Hitler, Stalin, etc.... Just curious to see where everyone falls on the chart. Thanks

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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 12-Jan-2006 at 04:58

Originally posted by Tobodai

Yes its too America specific to be that good on an international forum.  Still, I have the highest anti government points of anyone, especially socially.  Only Maju comes close, but still he is second.

Probably neither of you plays cricket either.  Some authorities you have to respect.



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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 12-Jan-2006 at 04:59

Originally posted by barish

While having the test, you can easily predict what your answer will cause at the end.

So this test does not show what you are, but what you want to be.

But "in your heart you know you're right". Or wrong, as the case may be.



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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 12-Jan-2006 at 22:09
Originally posted by gcle2003

Originally posted by Tobodai

Yes its too America specific to be that good on an international forum.  Still, I have the highest anti government points of anyone, especially socially.  Only Maju comes close, but still he is second.

Probably neither of you plays cricket either.  Some authorities you have to respect.

NO, I play strip poker, but only if theres 3 other people at least



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Posted By: poirot
Date Posted: 12-Jan-2006 at 23:14

The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -7.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95

Authoritarian
Left





















Right
Libertarian


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Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 13-Jan-2006 at 12:09
I got a left moderate on the political compass test.

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Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 13-Jan-2006 at 16:26

Originally posted by hugoestr

Originally posted by Genghis

<H2>Economic Left/Right: 5.75Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.82 </H2>


This test is no good. Genghis only got a 2.82 Authoritarian points.

It was all those questions about homosexuality and pornography that skewed it down.  I am fully supportive of both and those were over-represented in my opinion.



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Posted By: Beylerbeyi
Date Posted: 13-Jan-2006 at 19:11

I took this test many times, and tend to score -8 economic, -6.5 libertarian.

Looking at the results from the All Empires members in this thread and the thread in the previous incarnation, I think the test has an left/libertarian bias (especially libertarian).

I agree with the validity of the 'the rich are too lightly taxed' question, btw. A socialist will always agree with that. This test is by Brits, not Americans, and they claim it to be valid for Western people only.

am a liberal? Obviously it is because I chose not to ban abstract art.

Libertarian does not mean liberal. It means more like 'anarchist'.

Turkcesi liberter ya da  ozgurlukcu.



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Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 13-Jan-2006 at 19:28

Your political compass

 

Economic Left/Right: -9.88


Social Libertarian/

Authoritarian: -8.36

Authoritarian
Left





















Right

Libertarian

Let's hope this thread has disappeared into the backpages when mosquito returns from his skiing holidays.



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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 00:02
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

I took this test many times, and tend to score -8 economic, -6.5 libertarian.


Looking at the results from the All Empires members in this thread and the thread in the previous incarnation, I think the test has an left/libertarian bias (especially libertarian).


I agree with the validity of the 'the rich are too lightly taxed' question, btw. A socialist will always agree with that. This test is by Brits, not Americans, and they claim it to be valid for Western people only.


am a liberal? Obviously it is because I chose not to ban abstract art.


Libertarian does not mean liberal. It means more like 'anarchist'.


Turkcesi liberter ya da ozgurlukcu.


Yeah, my English...

Aslnda kelime anlam olarak doru diyebiliriz; birisi ekonomik adan zgrlk istiyor, birisi sosyal adan.



Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 00:08

Originally posted by BMC21113

I am too lazy to retake the test, can somebody please post the "scale" of the results. Ex: rankings: Bush, Hitler, Stalin, etc.... Just curious to see where everyone falls on the chart. Thanks



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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 10:00

Did you notice that ALL the politicians (unless you count Mandela as one, which I wouldn't really) are positive authoritarians?

 



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Posted By: BMC21113
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 11:40
Thanks flyingzone!

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Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 11:48

While I think one shouldn't really take these rankings too seriously, it's still interesting to see that George W. Bush is (1) the most conservative among all major world leaders (2) just slightly less authoritarian than Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe ...

Enough said.



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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 13:06
And how can a religios leader be a left-winger?

Left and right issue means more than just economics, they have their philosophical backgrounds.

Communism is based on Materialism...



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 17:57
Originally posted by Komnenos

Economic Left/Right: -9.88

I used to be the most leftist here, but I'm passed by all sides now by people who are even more leftist. It won't last long until I'm in the 50% most rightwing members of AE


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Posted By: Beylerbeyi
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 21:17

Did you notice that ALL the politicians (unless you count Mandela as one, which I wouldn't really) are positive authoritarians

Yes I did. Everywhere in the West the choice is between conservative and more conservative with economic liberal and more liberal. So much for choice.

And how can a religios leader be a left-winger?

Left and right issue means more than just economics, they have their philosophical backgrounds.

In this site they define right and left only by economics. But in fact you are right. Anyway, even this four way classification is not good enough.

I am working on an ideological test myself, btw. Stay tuned. 



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Posted By: BMC21113
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 21:30
Mixcoatl, hopefully you will not be in the 50% most right-winged in the forum. If you are considered right-wing, then a few others and myself will be on an island of our own.

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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2006 at 22:21
Th eonly person in my quadrant according to the graph is Milton Freidman, oddly enough he is an alumnus of my university.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 07:13
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

I am working on an ideological test myself, btw. Stay tuned. 

Let's hope it does not only have socialism and fascism as possible results


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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 07:49
economic left/right    -8.50
social libertarian/authoritarian  -4.87



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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 07:52
Originally posted by Mixcoatl

Originally posted by Komnenos

Economic Left/Right: -9.88

I used to be the most leftist here, but I'm passed by all sides now by people who are even more leftist. It won't last long until I'm in the 50% most rightwing members of AE

if you will go far enough to the left side ,you will come back at the right side without fail !!!


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Posted By: Beylerbeyi
Date Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 09:26

Let's hope it does not only have socialism and fascism as possible results

Hmm, I guess I'll have to add some more results, then...

Anyway, I think these political tests are rather simplistic and pointless. For instance, Tobodei exhibits exceptional ideological coherence, but according to these tests, he doesn't fit into any categories. So he thinks he is not ideological.

I think political POV's are grouped in ideologies, not on lines (left-right) or geometrical surfaces (political compass) and thus based my test on Andrew Heywood's book on Political Ideologies. Or actually, I merely converted his definitions into a test. The result is that you get to be classified into seven universal major ideologies. For instance, I got 78% Socialist and 22% Anarchist.

It's here: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8336&PN=1&TPN=1 - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8336& ;PN=1&TPN=1



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Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 12:13

Originally posted by Mixcoatl

Originally posted by Komnenos

Economic Left/Right: -9.88

I used to be the most leftist here, but I'm passed by all sides now by people who are even more leftist. It won't last long until I'm in the 50% most rightwing members of AE

There have be some accusations about having a hardline Stalinist leadership on AE that wants to purge all dissidents. Maybe, when you are the most right-wing member left, then they know they have won.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 14:15
In that case I'm the Trotsky of AE
damn, I wanted to go Mexico.


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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 19:06
I want to go to Mexico too

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Posted By: pikeshot1600
Date Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 19:11

Originally posted by Mixcoatl

Originally posted by Komnenos

Economic Left/Right: -9.88

I used to be the most leftist here, but I'm passed by all sides now by people who are even more leftist. It won't last long until I'm in the 50% most rightwing members of AE

You don't need to worry until you think the pillars of the state are the crown, the church and the army.

(I used that line on a friend of mine in college and he choked on his beer)

 



Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 15-Jan-2006 at 23:37
Originally posted by Komnenos

There have be some accusations about having a hardline Stalinist leadership on AE that wants to purge all dissidents.

I know that's supposed to be a joke, but if it did happen, it would be the saddest thing. One of the most amazing things about AE is that it is a forum where people from both the right and left congregate and talk about stuff. If there's any "change" that I would like to see here, it would in fact be a more even representation from both the right (and not just from the United States, but from all over the world) and the left. Now the scale is a little bit tilted towards the left.



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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 02:07
No Dogmas !!!!!!!


look out for intellectual , self-constituted leaders. they all want only the best for you, and on the spur of the moment you are not allowed to think anymore.



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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 16-Jan-2006 at 15:53

Originally posted by Tobodai

Th eonly person in my quadrant according to the graph is Milton Freidman, oddly enough he is an alumnus of my university.

Never mind, I won't hold it against you



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Posted By: Cezar
Date Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 05:23

I'll go for moderate left.

That test, I almost made a bull's eye, just a little bit down left.



Posted By: Isbul
Date Posted: 17-Jan-2006 at 17:01

Well comrades...

Economic Left/Right: -8.76
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.44

Sadly too far from Stalin

 



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