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Topic: Islamic Hats
Posted By: OSMANLI
Subject: Islamic Hats
Date Posted: 17-Nov-2005 at 15:48

Hats have allows been important in civilisations, esp. in Islamic civilisations. So i would like to know more about this area, as well as any interesting information.

If there have been any that i have missed out please add an image.

My personal favourate is the Fes and the Shemagh!!!

<Takke/Topi skull cap

<Shemagh

<Sindh style

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<Also Cetral Asian

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<Berber

<Fez

 

Also, just out of wondering. I recently heard that the Shemagh is red for those Arab nations that are republics (Jumhariya) and black for those from monarchy (Memlakatiya). (hope i got the Arabic translation correct) Is this true?



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Posted By: Fizzil
Date Posted: 17-Nov-2005 at 17:32

I like the shemagh aswell.

As for the color, i don't think it matters, here in the UAE which is a monarchy, alot of people wear the red shemagh.



Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 17-Nov-2005 at 17:49

The Berber scarf rules!

I actually have a white topi though I don't use it so much.



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Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 01:45

This "Afghani" Hat  is one of my favorite hats.  This type of hat is guaranteed to keep your head warm:

 

Along side that, there is also these other designs found in Afghanistan:

Karakoli  Hat as shown on Karzai

 

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Other Hats

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Posted By: Super Goat (^_^)
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 02:52
the red shemagh is popular in jordan. as for the black ones, there r two i think, one with larger "dots/shapes" (or watever) than the other. The larger ones is common among palestinians, like the one arafat used to wear

so that concept doesnt apply i guess.
Jordan=monarchy
palistinians=not monarchy.
so i guess its quite the opposite


Posted By: çok geç
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 05:00
Originally posted by OSMANLI

<Fez

Isn't this red hat an Ottoman one?



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Posted By: OSMANLI
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 06:45

The Fez replaced the turban, as the national headgear in 1826 by the Ottoman sultan Mahmud 2. This move was due to the sultans westernisation reforms. However i think although iam not sure that the Turks initially got their Fez from Tunisia. Since then the Fez has been linked hand-in-hand in with the Turks. Although Mustafa Kemal banned the Fez in his so called hat revolution in 30/08/1925. I believe at present the fez is still used in Syria and many of the Muslim ex-Ottoman lands (maninly North Africa). Can be found in Turkey and North Cyprus but merely as a souvenier.



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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 07:29

Bakhtiari / Lori.



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Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 07:32
Originally posted by OSMANLI

The Fez replaced the turban, as the national headgear in 1826 by the Ottoman sultan Mahmud 2. This move was due to the sultans westernisation reforms. However i think although iam not sure that the Turks initially got their Fez from Tunisia. Since then the Fez has been linked hand-in-hand in with the Turks. Although Mustafa Kemal banned the Fez in his so called hat revolution in 30/08/1925. I believe at present the fez is still used in Syria and many of the Muslim ex-Ottoman lands (maninly North Africa). Can be found in Turkey and North Cyprus but merely as a souvenier.

They drew Fez in Marrocan weddings out here, never saw a Turkish did do that...

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Posted By: oTToMAn_TurK
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 08:27
Originally posted by OSMANLI

Although Mustafa Kemal banned the Fez in his so called hat revolution in 30/08/1925.

Hat revolution , who ever heard of a hat revolution. its kind of embarrising. but it was our "father" who made the changes so who are we to question it.

anyway i personally like the afghani hats, they are are pretty kool.



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Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 08:56

As for the Afghan Hat (known as the Pacol), I want to add there is the 'correct' way of wearing it, and the the incorrect way.

Correct:

Incorrect:

 



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Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 08:59

Here is also hats worn by kids:

 

 

 



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The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest.
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Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 09:41
Originally posted by OSMANLI

Hats have allows been important in civilisations, esp. in Islamic civilisations. So i would like to know more about this area, as well as any interesting information.

If there have been any that i have missed out please add an image.

My personal favourate is the Fes and the Shemagh!!!

<Shemagh

Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought hats are supposed to be worn on your head.  This is more like a scarf. 



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The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest.
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Posted By: sedamoun
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 09:43

To me the shemagh is unbeatable... so classy. All arabs should be proud to have one. I do.

I never wear mine like this because my employers would fire me .



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Posted By: OSMANLI
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 15:06
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Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought hats are supposed to be worn on your head.  This is more like a scarf. 

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Oops, sorry. I met to say Islamic headgear. And yes the Shemagh can be worn as both a head gear or a scarf. Its great!!!



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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 15:22
they are one of the necessities in a desert or dusty place.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 17:14

me like Fez

 

p.s that isn't me, just some dude I found on the net... lol



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Posted By: Maziar
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 17:33

Lori or Bakhtiari hats have a long history, lori hats look like Sassanids one, maybe they came from there. But they are not islamic.

I like that Afghan hats. They look so nice.

I've seen many years ago a picture of an american soldire with an afghani hat, wearing rayban and cheawing chew gumes



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 19:42

In Malaysia...

most of the Muslim guys use songkok for pray or involve in any Islamic occasion.. Actually it is a traditional hat for Malays... Here is the picture of malay guys wearing full suit for Baju Melayu together with sampin and songkok..

*i just take this picture somewhere from the net

 



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Posted By: OSMANLI
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 08:23

Is that a picture of Rayhan, the Islamic nasheed group?

I like those hats, they look very similar to the fez. Although these hats would be more acceptable in modern society, then the fez.

Are they also wearing traditional Malay costume, mashaallah looks very stylish



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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 10:11
Originally posted by Maziar

Lori or Bakhtiari hats have a long history, lori hats look like Sassanids one, maybe they came from there. But they are not islamic.

There is no such thing as an Islamic hat, only hats worn by people who are muslim and Lors are muslim. And I don't think it is from Sassanid times, it is more likely from Safavid times.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 10:47
Originally posted by OSMANLI

Is that a picture of Rayhan, the Islamic nasheed group?

I like those hats, they look very similar to the fez. Although these hats would be more acceptable in modern society, then the fez.

Are they also wearing traditional Malay costume, mashaallah looks very stylish

Wow.. u know about raihan the nasyid group? tht's cool.. they are my fav group among the others which are in nasyid scene .. their nasyid is in contemporary music style.. but this pic is not them Osmanli.. some other group... unfortunately cant recall their name..

Normally, raihan group like to use.. topi as their hat... and sometimes songkok

please visit their web: http://www.raihan.com.my - http://www.raihan.com.my

http://www.raihan.com.my/html2/album_allahu.html">  Sorry.. cant enlarge the pic...

http://www.raihan.com.my/html2/album_gemaalam.html -

Thanks for the compliment... yes you are right... they look so smart and handsome... in full suit... normally for wedding. when akad time.. the guy will wear fulll suit baju melayu...



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Posted By: Maziar
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 15:03
Originally posted by Zagros

Originally posted by Maziar

Lori or Bakhtiari hats have a long history, lori hats look like Sassanids one, maybe they came from there. But they are not islamic.

There is no such thing as an Islamic hat, only hats worn by people who are muslim and Lors are muslim. And I don't think it is from Sassanid times, it is more likely from Safavid times.

Zagros Dorood

Pleas look at these pics. Not only the hats, but also the dresses looks very similiar to bakhtiari/lori people of today.

This is in my opinion. If you think i am wrong, so please help to increase my knowledg. Becouse i know little about iranian history.

Thank you 



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Posted By: OSMANLI
Date Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 04:45

Have any of you noticed how Kurdish sepratists are using the Shemagh as a political symbol?

 These sepratists are wearing the black and white Shemagh as oppose to red and white (national colours of the Turkish republic), to show their opposition to the republic. Have any of you heard of this before?



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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 21-Nov-2005 at 16:09
Originally posted by Maziar

Originally posted by Zagros

Originally posted by Maziar

Lori or Bakhtiari hats have a long history, lori hats look like Sassanids one, maybe they came from there. But they are not islamic.

There is no such thing as an Islamic hat, only hats worn by people who are muslim and Lors are muslim. And I don't think it is from Sassanid times, it is more likely from Safavid times.

Zagros Dorood

Pleas look at these pics. Not only the hats, but also the dresses looks very similiar to bakhtiari/lori people of today.

This is in my opinion. If you think i am wrong, so please help to increase my knowledg. Becouse i know little about iranian history.

Thank you 

Yes, it seems that they actually have a deeper root than even Sassanian times,  DFront kindly pointed out that the reliefs at Persepolis of Medians show similar hats.

One thing I am sure of though, the colour became black as standard in Safavid times when everyone was converted to Shi'ism.  The Kurds in Ilam (Fayl branchi) had all of their traditional dresses changed to black at this time too, I am only glad that the Kurds to the North remained Sunni otherwise all Kurdish dresses would be BLACK instead of the bright colours.

I don't think any of the headgears here are rotted in Islam, it is just headgear worn by muslims, and Lors are surely quite traditional muslims.



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Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2013 at 09:40
Fez, Fez and Fez

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Posted By: yomud
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2013 at 03:21
cmon ! seriously  ?? i thought you like turkmen hate more than any others LOL!!!  you should try it ! Wink






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Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2013 at 14:02
Originally posted by yomud

cmon ! seriously  ?? i thought you like turkmen hate more than any others LOL!!!  you should try it ! Wink






It looks like Russian and communistic so it won't have nice effect on people in Turkey


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Posted By: yomud
Date Posted: 14-Nov-2013 at 19:02
Originally posted by Ollios

Originally posted by yomud

cmon ! seriously  ?? i thought you like turkmen hate more than any others LOL!!!  you should try it ! Wink






It looks like Russian and communistic so it won't have nice effect on people in Turkey
WHATOuch . RUSSIAN Angry?  THEY ARE NOT EVEY CLOSE ! Confused


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