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Topic: Greatest Emperor
Posted By: Imperator Invictus
Subject: Greatest Emperor
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2004 at 21:12
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The greatest emperor is not one who just had a memoriable reign, an admirable personality, a glorious commander, or a skillful administrator, but one with the best combination of such characteristics. Here are my nominations:

Augustus
Achievements: The first emperor, Augustus stablized the empire after years of civil war into the Pax Romana, two centuries of peace and prosperity. Augustus was a modest emperor compared to later standards: he gave power to his subordinates and called himself the "frist of the senate", rather than an an absolute ruler. As the first emperor, he set a lasting foundation. He sponsored many public bulding projects, restoring old temples and building new ones. He organized the empire effectively and brought Roman literature to a golden age. Augustus "found Rome brick and left it marble".
Shortcomings: Augustus himself was not a particularly charismatic military commander on the field and had to leave the work to his subordinates.

Claudius
Achievements: He became the protagonist of the novel and miniseries "I Claudius". The sucessful invasion of Britian was during his reign. He was a supporter of justice.
Shortcomings: He was paranoid during his initial part of his reign and his wives took control.


Trajan
Achievements: A most skillful commander, Trajan brought the Empire to its greatest territorial extent. He conquered Dacia, in which his vicotries are displayed in his famed column. Then, he invaded the Parthian Empire, capturing its capital and deposing its king. Although he lost the siege at Hatra and had to withdraw, no Roman Emperor would conquer as far to the east as he did. At Rome, he is known for being fairly tolerant to Christians and building a forum and bath. Future Emperors were wished to be "More fortunate than Augustus and better than Trajan". He was the only pre-Christian emperor to be given a place in paradise by the Medieval poet Dante.
Shortcomings: His campaign in Mesopotamia against the Parthians was cut short not only by a rebellion there, but also a significant one within the eastern proviinces.

Hadrian
Achievements: Hadrian strengthened the defenses by withdrawing Trajan's eastern conquests and building the Hadrian Wall in Britian. He was a competent ruler and oversaw many building projects, particularly the Parthenon. Hadrian traveled throughout the empire, but particularly to Greece, as he was fond of Greek culture. He was by all means a learned emperor, much of a poet and scholar. Finally, Hadrian started the fashion of Emperors with beards.
Shortcomings: Hadrian's reign was noted for a major Jewish rebellion, in which half a million Jews were killed. He himself was not a popular ruler, as he comitted many murders during his reign. Personally, He would not be on my top 7 list, but I realize that he is well noted.

Marcus Aurelius
Achievements: He was a most intellectual Emperor, who wrote the "Meditations" on Stoic philosophy. He was also the first Emperor to share rule (with Verus). Generally, he was a good manager of the Empire, even in war.
Shortcomings: Without doubt, he dissastrously named Commodus the heir to the Empire. He turned out to be one of the worst emperors, and it began a growing tradition to have the son inherit the throne from his father. Commodus was already named co-emperor (Augustus) before Marcus' death.

Septimius Severus
Achievements: One of the greatest commander-emperors; he was also the first Emperor of african origin. severus gained the throne through force and continued to campaign against foreign and other "rebellious" leaders. His sack of the Parthian capital was one of the main reason for the collapse of the dynasty. Severus made many improvements to the military and skillfully manipulated its power for his rule, but also funded many building projects in Rome.
Shortcomings: Septimius Severus ruled with cruelty and brute force, which his sucessor followed. He named both his son co-Emperors, and this really did not turn out well. The son who murdered the other became known as one of the worst emperors.

Aurelian
Achievements: The time before Diocletian was one of great chaos of continual civil wars and "pretender uprisings". The Low came when Britian, Gaul, and Spain broke off and formed its own "Gallic" Empire. In the East, Zenobia of Palmyra conquered everything from Asia Minor to Egypt. Barbarians from the north took advantage and broke through. Aurelian came to power and defeated both the Gallic and Palmrene empires, reuniting the Empire and earning the title "Restorer of the World". Without doubht, he was arguably the greatest commander-emperors. The Aurelian Wall of Rome bears his name.
Shortcomings: his reign only lasted 5 years before he was assasinated. Civil unrest resumed.

Diocletian
Achievements: Stablized the empire after the "Barracks emperors" period and offered the empire a completely new organization with 2 Augusti and 2 Caesars, decentralizing the power and degrading the status of Rome in favor of other cities of the "tetrarchy". He was also the first to resign from power.
Shortcomings: He failed to stop the inflation. Without doubt, Diocletian was consequential. Whether his reorganization was sucessful is another story. It's up to you to decide. I'd say that the long term separation of the East and West was necessary for the survival of the Empire, but his specific system of the tetrarchy collapsed due to humanly greed.

Constantine
Achievements: He was a great military emperor who won many victories, eventually cumulating to power over the entire empire. Constantine founded Constantinople and legalized Christianity.
Shortcomings: Without arguing whether or not his reforms were good or not, he did have some other flaws: his sucessors were poor and engaged in a "family feud"; the army started decling rapidly into barbarianism.



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Posted By: Tonifranz
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2004 at 21:25

Augustus, without a doubt.

He renewed Roman civilization from the chaos of the late republic.

 



Posted By: Imperator Invictus
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2004 at 21:31
Augustus is a good choice, but the "Barracks Emperors" period in which Aurelian was in and Diolcetian ended was by far more chaotic than the late republic.  Between that period, the late empire, and the late republic, I would say that the late republic was the least chaotic. 


Posted By: Tonifranz
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2004 at 22:01
By the way, Imperator Invictus, do you know the achievements of Antoninus Pius, Princeps from 138-161? I know very little about him, and I saw little being written about him?


Posted By: Jr_Capablanca
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 04:50

Hello!

And why isn`t Vitellius or Nero on the list??? No, seriously now, i think I vote for Augustus.

/Capa



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 06:23
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Posted By: TJK
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 06:27

My vote goes to Trajan



Posted By: Cornellia
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 06:46

My vote definitely goes to Augustus. 

With peace and prosperity restored, Augustus reigned for 41 years before dying a month short of his 76th birthday. The foundation of the Principate had been set and Augustus became the model for all succeeding emperors. Tact and discretion had created a basis for imperial government far strong than could have been forged by naked power alone.

 



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Posted By: boody4
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 11:07
Trajan is da' man!


Posted By: Keltoi
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 12:28
Trajan was simply an amazing emperor. He accomplished so much that no one else could.

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Posted By: Dawn
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 14:24

Augustus was my choice.

His political ablity  gained his control of most if not all of the officies of rome without bloodshed and hardly a fight.

 

One of Claudius major abilities was his use of the imperial buraucray. Through freed man that he apointed he ran the empire allthough those same freedman cause much hard feelings for him.



Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 14:40
I have always been a Trajan fan.

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Posted By: Arkhanson
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 15:39

why Hadrian is so important for roman empire ?



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Posted By: Lannes
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 16:04

Originally posted by Imperator Invictus


Shortcomings: Septimius Severus ruled with cruelty and brute force, which his sucessor followed.

But he was still regarded as a hero by the people.  My vote goes to Severus, with Vespasian as a close second.

 



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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 16:45
Octavian and Constantine, voted Octavian

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2004 at 18:16
I voted for Octavian Augustus

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Posted By: Dari
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2004 at 14:54

Why isn't Ceaser on the list?



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2004 at 14:56
Because he wasn't an emperor I think

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Posted By: Lannes
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2004 at 16:07

Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli

Because he wasn't an emperor I think

He was elected as dictator and then dictator for life, but no term as emperor. 



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2004 at 16:44
Originally posted by Lannes

Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli

Because he wasn't an emperor I think

He was elected as dictator and then dictator for life, but no term as emperor. 

The word for emperor in most languages are derived from Julius Caesar's name. The Roman historian Suetonius who wrote the history of the first twelve "Ceasars" started his book with Julius. Julius Caesar commanded Roman legions and held therefore the title Imperator. But modern historians do not regard him as an emperor because the republic came back after his death and it was up Augustus to finish the job.

My vote by the way vent to Marcus Aurelius.



Posted By: Dari
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2004 at 16:49
No, I think the word for emperor isn't derived for most langauges by "Ceaser's name". Tzar and Chancellor are the only ones that come to mind.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2004 at 16:52
the German word Kaiser (and the Dutch word keizer, although we never had one) is also derived from Caesar

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Posted By: Cornellia
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2004 at 17:07

You guys are forgetting someone.......  Octavius was adopted by his great uncle and then took the name of C. Julius Caesar Octavianus (hereafter "Octavian"). To identify himself fully with his adoptive father and to lend his subsequent actions a veneer of legitimacy, he simply called himself "Caesar".

Then the Senate gave him the quasi divine title of Augustus which was a slightly archaic word meaning sacred or revered........and that's how he's been known through the ages.

It was his memory  that was enshrined in the political ethos of the Imperial age as a paradigm of the good emperor; although every emperor adopted his name, Caesar Augustus, only a handful earned genuine comparison with him.



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Posted By: Imperator Invictus
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2004 at 17:45
Actually, Caesar was a very un-emperor title. Many members of the royal family held it. Caesar was always considered an inferior title compared to Augustus.

The different titles:

Caesar (deriv: Czar, Kaiser): Means a imperial family member, especially one in line for secession. In the tetrarachy with two emperors and two junior emperors, the Caesars were the junior emperors. The Augusti were the emperors.
Augustus: "Venerable" the title that means Emperor in its truest sense.
Imperator (deriv: Emperor): "Comander" Military title. This would mean commander in chief. All emperors and some non emperors held this title.
Pater Patriae "Father of the country": Title given to emperors after a certain number of years he has been emperor.
Pontifex Maximus: "greatest priest" Another title used almost exclusively by emperors durnig the principlate.


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Posted By: Lannes
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2004 at 18:51

Originally posted by Imperator Invictus

Actually, Caesar was a very un-emperor title. Many members of the royal family held it. Caesar was always considered an inferior title compared to Augustus.

My understanding of it is that the title "Caesar" was given to the announced heir to the throne.



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Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2004 at 18:53
Iv been always saying that if all the roman emperors were like Tiberius the empire would last forever. Somtimes it is better to have a ruler who isnt genius, great commander (altough before Tiberius became emperor he did his job on the battlfield) but also isnt the complete dumb and who treats his duties seriously. Tiberius belived that empire didnt need any new lands and conquests and that it just requires good and fair administration. Instead spending fortunes on the gladiator games he kept very  strict discipline both in the army and administration, not saying about the fact that actually during his reign Romans enjoyed stability and senate enjoyed bigger role than later. At least Tiberius even tollerated opposition and only part of the officials were being choosen after his "recomendation" while others could have been freelly elected by senate. He also didnt tollerate when his governors were robbing people in the provinces.


Posted By: Beylerbeyi
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2004 at 09:58

I voted for Constantine.

I think it was a very good idea to move the centre of the state to Byzantium (and originally to divide it into two). This move probably added centuries to the life of the Empire. Conversion to Christianity was a very prudent move too. 

I also feel somehow in his debt, because I am born in Istanbul, so without him adopting it as his capital, I would probably never have been born...

I'd also mention Hadrian. I think he was good enough to be included in this list. He was a great builder. Mother once observed that in all Roman cities (mostly ruins by now) in Turkey, there is a Hadrian gate or Hadrian bath or something else built by Hadrian. So, he visited the Greeks everywhere not only in Greece.



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Posted By: Ptolemy
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2004 at 13:11
Definately Constantine. Moving the capital to Byzantium was a prudent move. As well, he reunited the empire removing all the squabbling successor empires. These two moves were beneficial to the long term well-being of the empire. Most people forget he succesfully waged war against may Germanic tribes who were bent on taking chunks of the empire. His legalization of Christianity was also important. The religion was already growing at an alarming pace for Diocletion and we all know what Diocletion did to Christians. Christianity had already become the state religion of Armenia and had a massive following in the East. He also supported freedom of Religion which was forgotten by future emporers.


Posted By: Master of Puppets
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2004 at 15:55

Hmmm... Difficult. Maybe I should vote for Romulus Augustulus, though... Nah, guess I'll go for Augustus anyway. The way he ended the Century of Civil War is truly remarkable. I wouldn't know if I'd call him modest, though. Maybe just prudent, seeing the example set by Caesar. Also, he may not have been the greatest commander, but he knew who to choose to replace him (well, except for Varus...) Indeed, we must certainly not forget the great impact Augustus's reign has had on literature. At least half of all great poets and prose writers of Golden Latin are from Augustus's reign and were under his cultural umbrella: Horatius, Vergilius, Ovidius and Livius are the most famous examples.
I agree Aurelian did an amazing job, too, but we don't know what he'd have done if he would have had the opportunity to re-organize the Empire. Maybe an Aurelian-Diocletian combo could beat Augustus...

Oh, btw, Hadrian (re)built the Pantheon, not the Parthenon



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Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2004 at 19:04

TRAIANVS



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Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2004 at 20:26

Originally posted by Imperator Invictus

Pater Patriae "Father of the country": Title given to emperors after a certain number of years he has been emperor.

 

I would rather say that Pater Patriae means Father of the Fatherland"



Posted By: Lannes
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2004 at 20:28
Originally posted by ihsan

TRAIANVS

Trajanus Decius?



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Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2004 at 16:10
Whatever his long Imperial title is

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Posted By: Imperator Invictus
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2004 at 21:09
I think he's talking about Imperator Caesar Divi Nervae Filius Nerva Traianus Optimus Augustus Germanicus Dacicus Parthicus, Pontifex Maximus, Tribuniciae potestatis XXI, Imperator XIII, Consul VI, Pater Patriae

Emperor Caesar Nerva Trajan Augustus, son of the god Nerva, the best, (victor against the) Germans, Dacians, Parthians, the Greatest priest, (Proclaimed as one) of Tribunal powers 21 times, (proclaimed) Imperator 13 times, Consul 6 times, father of the fatherland.


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Posted By: Lannes
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2004 at 21:15

Originally posted by Imperator Invictus

I think he's talking about Imperator Caesar Divi Nervae Filius Nerva Traianus Optimus Augustus Germanicus Dacicus Parthicus, Pontifex Maximus, Tribuniciae potestatis XXI, Imperator XIII, Consul VI, Pater Patriae

Emperor Caesar Nerva Trajan Augustus, son of the god Nerva, the best, (victor against the) Germans, Dacians, Parthians, the Greatest priest, (Proclaimed as one) of Tribunal powers 21 times, (proclaimed) Imperator 13 times, Consul 6 times, father of the fatherland.

 

I as referring to Imperator Caesar Gaius Messius Quintus Traianus Decius Pius Felix Invictus Augustus, while Ihsan was referring to Imperator Caesar Divi Nervae Filius Nerva Traianus.



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Posted By: Imperatore Dario I
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 07:46

They are all great emperors, and I'm not picking this one as my favorite, but I like Gordian III. He was a very young emperor, and even if he was assassinated early on, he scored a lot of successes against the Sassanian King Shapur I.



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Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 11:07

Originally posted by Imperator Invictus

I think he's talking about Imperator Caesar Divi Nervae Filius Nerva Traianus Optimus Augustus Germanicus Dacicus Parthicus, Pontifex Maximus, Tribuniciae potestatis XXI, Imperator XIII, Consul VI, Pater Patriae

Emperor Caesar Nerva Trajan Augustus, son of the god Nerva, the best, (victor against the) Germans, Dacians, Parthians, the Greatest priest, (Proclaimed as one) of Tribunal powers 21 times, (proclaimed) Imperator 13 times, Consul 6 times, father of the fatherland.

All I can say is COOL!  



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Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 16:29
or just Marcus Ulpius Traianus


Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 04:56

My vote goes to Hadrian because he simply was an astonishing leader...and after i have read his biography i find him the greatest emperor of all times...or maybe Theodosius or Augustus was greater...

And i think Nerva should be in the list also?



Posted By: Colchis
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 23:25
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

I voted for Constantine.

I think it was a very good idea to move the centre of the state to Byzantium (and originally to divide it into two). This move probably added centuries to the life of the Empire. Conversion to Christianity was a very prudent move too. 



And this once we differ my dear Beylerbeyi -much to my surprise.

I think Constantine was partly responsible for the Hellenistic culture to decline for many years to come. Even though he did not condemn the traditional religion of the Roman Empire he did elevate Christianity to an equal place. Still, he was very much a "pagan" until his last moments and was frequently depicted with pagan symbols, not to mention his deification after his death. Besides, the one "God" he refers to is rather uncertain, it could very well have been his beliefs and devotion in Sol Invictus interfering with the new faith. Christianity was a more political choice than anything else and Constantine himself never got rid of the pagan rites and practices. It was only after his death that his three sons, and mainly Constantius who made paganism and everything connected with it illegal and persecuted pagans and philosophers as well as "heretic" (ie. those who didn't agree with him) Christians. In any case, even though I am in Constantine's debt too for founding Constantinopolis I think his opening the way for Rome's conversion and thus its downfall he is far behind in my "favorites". Me and Mister Edward Gibbon are of one mind on this one.

Anyway, I voted for Marcus Aurelius as I admire his work, his philosophy and he wasn't a bad ruler after all, trying to keep the empire in one piece and pretty much succeeding -if it weren't for his rather incompetent son.


Posted By: Roughneck
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 00:22
Constantine didn't convert to Christianity until his deathbed because if he did he would have to abide by it's tenants, which would mean no more executions.  Christianity was indeed a force merely meant to unify the empire behind him, and it brought the Christians, who were by now a powerful group, if a persecuted one, onto his side.  Although to say that Christianity brought about the downfall of Rome, I can't agree with it.  If so, why didn't the East go with it, which was in fact a Christian theocracy?  The West was already on the downhill by 325 anyway, with only 150 years left.  The Byzantine Empire lasted for nearly a thousand years as a Christian state, longer than any other state in history besides Egypt.

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Posted By: Master of Puppets
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 05:01
Personally I don't see why Christianity should have such a decay-improving effect either. Weren't the decline of Roman military and the infiltration of barbarians more important causes for the fall of the Western Empire?

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Posted By: Imperatore Dario I
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 15:35

Originally posted by Master of Puppets

Personally I don't see why Christianity should have such a decay-improving effect either. Weren't the decline of Roman military and the infiltration of barbarians more important causes for the fall of the Western Empire?

Something should also be taken in consideration too on the decline of the Roman military. It didn't simply bang happen. Over the years of excessive taxation, decline in value of money (therefore reducing trade), and the tremendous effect of the plagues sweeping the Roman Empire, affording the military became impossible. So we also need to search deeper into what caused the decline of the military before we simply assume that it was the cause of the military's decline. Everything that caused the collapse also linked to another thing. For example, the military decline resulted in mass invasions by both the barbarians, and also by the Sassanian Persians.



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Posted By: Ptolemy
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 22:01

Constantine didn't convert to Christianity until his deathbed because if he did he would have to abide by it's tenants,

Just to be accurate, he wasn't baptized until in his deathbed, which was a common practice at the time. When he 'converted' could be seen as a gradual process over his lifetime (due to political necessity or, that it took a while for him to understand the religion)



Posted By: Cornellia
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 08:22

Blaming Constantine and his subsequent adoption of Christianity as the state religion doesn't take into consideration that the 50 years following the murder of Alexander Severus were one of the lowest points in the history of the Roman Empire.   Severus was murdered only 70 years or so before Constantine.

The troubled times led to a succession of short reigned emperors who far more often than not met a violent death usually at the hands of their own troops.  The empire was basically fighting for its life and was being threatened on almost every front - a resurgent Persia in the east and the Alemanni and Goths of the Rhine and the Danube.  Its during this time we see the first emperor to fall at the hands of the enemy and the only emperor to be captured and die in captivity abroad.

This was a time when the empire temporarily split into two parts - The Gallic Empire and the Roman......and it wasn't the congenial split of East and West.   There are emperors that we have little or no information on because there's little more than a name in the historical records.  Of one emperor - Aemilius Aemilianus - Eutropius wrote "Aemlianus came from an extremely insignificant family, his reign was even more insignificant, and he was slain in the third month."

The seed for the fall were sown long before Christianity rose.



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Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 25-Aug-2004 at 07:27
Constantine was an opportunist. He saw that the strongest part of the empire's society was (or was soon to be) the Christians so he tried to secure his position by getting them on his side.

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Posted By: Imperatore Dario I
Date Posted: 25-Aug-2004 at 12:01
Yes, Rome was already in deep decline way before Constantine came to power. Constantine revived teh empire, it's stupid to blame Christianity for causing the collapse.

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Posted By: mauk4678
Date Posted: 25-Aug-2004 at 20:14
I had to vote for other.  Even though I know he was certainly not the greatest of all Emperors, Justinian is my favorite. Yes, I know the whole driving the empire into the ground thing, but his, and Theodora's architectural accomplishments were amazing.  Also, his conquests allowed Procopius to give us alot of insight into the the world of his day. His account of the Lapps if fascinating. Arguably none of this can be directly attributed to Justinian himself, but he certainly set events into motion.

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Posted By: mauk4678
Date Posted: 25-Aug-2004 at 20:15
WOOPS, I missed the   (-473) thing. Sorry.

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