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Topic: biggest casualties
Posted By: Guests
Subject: biggest casualties
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2004 at 04:59
what battles did result in biggest casualties? (give casualties estimates plz)



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2004 at 05:50
For the 20th century you can find an extensive list here:
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/battles.htm - http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/battles.htm


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Posted By: Hyarmendacil
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2004 at 08:40
Check the Guinness Book of Records site. I thought they mentioned Stalingrad as the bloodiest battle with over a million casualties, but you'd better go there yourself if you want to be sure.


Posted By: Gallipoli
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2004 at 08:45

Gallipoli Campaign 04 November 1914-09 January 1916

Turks and Germans; 345.000 Dead

Britain,Commonwealth,France and Dominions; 187.000 Dead

Total: 532.000 Dead

Individual Battle; Ariburnu Trumpet Offensive 19 May 1915; 18.000 Turks dead in 5.5 Hours

The British lost around 55.000 in one day during one of their offensives in 1914, in France...



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Posted By: Gallipoli
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2004 at 08:46

This is the other version;

    1. Gallipoli, World War I (19 Feb. 1915-9 Jan. 1916): 131 000
    2. Wikipedia:
      • Allies: 44,072, incl....
        • UK: 21,255
        • Aus.: 8,709
        • NZ: 2,701
      • Turks: 86,692
      • [TOTAL: 130,764]
    • Ellis & Cox, World War I Databook ("Dardanelles")
      • UK: 18,000 k.
      • Aus.: 8,100 k
      • NZ: 2,700 k
      • India: 1,360
      • France: 27,000 all casualty types
      • Turks: 86,700
      • [TOTAL: ca. 123,600]
    • 22 Nov. 2003, Courier Mail (Queensland) and Herald Sun (Melbourne), AU
      • UK: 21,000 k.
      • Aus.: >8,700 k
      • NZ: 2,700 k
      • France: one third of 27,000 [=9,000]


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    Posted By: demon
    Date Posted: 31-Aug-2004 at 14:55

    I concur with Stalingrad...Just watch "enemy behind the gates" and facinate yourself with the amount of corpses



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    Posted By: Arkhanson
    Date Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 09:26
    Gettysburg maybe be for one of the biggest  casualties

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    Posted By: Guests
    Date Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 10:24
    so i guess title of bloodiest battle goes to stalingrad...some ideas about bloodiest battles in older ages?(swords era) estimates very inaccurate for most battlesso....guess?


    Posted By: Arkhanson
    Date Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 10:26

    Agincourt at 100 years wars  can be bloodis ar sword age  check this

    http://www.azincourt-alliance.org.uk - http://www.azincourt-alliance.org.uk



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    Posted By: ihsan
    Date Posted: 01-Sep-2004 at 14:03
    The number of Turkish deads at Gallipoli was 55,000; not an obscure high number Gallipoli gives. Gallipoli's numbers incluede the wounded, lost, captured, dead from disease, etc too.

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    Posted By: Gallipoli
    Date Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 11:58
    No Ihsan, I am fed up with discussing this with you. The total number of dead were 310.000 for the Turkish side.How many times do I have to prove this?

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    Posted By: John Doe
    Date Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 17:50

    hmm,

    your sources above quote:

    Wikipedia: Turks: 86,692
    Ellis & Cox, World War I Databook ("Dardanelles"): Turks: 86,700


    Where are you getting 345,000 from? 

    ...but yeah, I agree with you in that its definately more than 55,000

     



    Posted By: I/eye
    Date Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 22:14

    Agincourt at 100 years wars  can be bloodis ar sword age  check this

    http://www.azincourt-alliance.org.uk/ - http://www.azincourt-alliance.org.uk/quote - http://www.azincourt-alliance.org.uk

    it says only 5,000 died at Agincourt.. there were way more battles that were bloodier, even in sword age..



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    Posted By: Arkhanson
    Date Posted: 03-Sep-2004 at 04:04

    Okay okay. By the way can we add the invasion of normandy at 6/6/1944



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    Posted By: Gallipoli
    Date Posted: 03-Sep-2004 at 05:09
    Originally posted by John Doe

    hmm,

    your sources above quote:

    Wikipedia: Turks: 86,692
    Ellis & Cox, World War I Databook ("Dardanelles"): Turks: 86,700


    Where are you getting 345,000 from? 

    ...but yeah, I agree with you in that its definately more than 55,000

     

    Turkish Military History Branch. I know a Major there. He told me that the registered number of KIAs was 55.000. However the uncounted fors' are more than that. And how can you explain this; 510.000 soldiers went to Gallipoli only 130.000 of them got out for service again?



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    Posted By: Guests
    Date Posted: 03-Sep-2004 at 16:03
    What about the battle at Issus?  When Alexander the Great defeated Darius.  I have heard accounts of up to 300,000 casualties.  While these are probably exaggerated, most authors agree that there were at least around 100,000 people killed.


    Posted By: I/eye
    Date Posted: 03-Sep-2004 at 16:17

    at Salsu, there were 300,000 casualties on the Sui side alone..

    Sui invaded Koguryo with 1.138 million men but the navy was destroyed, the army couldn't take Laiodong, all the while they were low on supplies, so they sent 305,000 of them straight to Pyungyang. who then died, and only few thousand went back.

    there ya go.. most casualties in sword era so far



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    Posted By: Guests
    Date Posted: 05-Sep-2004 at 10:03
    Originally posted by Arkhanson

    Okay okay. By the way can we add the invasion of normandy at 6/6/1944


    Normandy, World War II (6 June-19 Aug. 1944): 132 000
    • D-Day Museum [http://www.ddaymuseum.co.uk/faq.htm#casualities]
      • Allies:
        • Ground forces: 37,000 d. whole battle
        • Air forces: 16,714 d.
        • Buried in war cemeteries:
          • US: 9,386
          • UK: 17,769
          • Canadian: 5,002
          • Poles: 650
          • [Total: 32,807]
      • Germans: 200,000 K+W
        • 77,866 buried in war cemeteries.
      • French civilians: 15-20,000 k.
      • D-Day (6 June) alone: 2,500 Allied KIA, incl. 1,465 USAn and 340 Canadian
    • CBC: 5,020 Canadians k. [http://www.cbc.ca/news/dday/]
    • [Est.: 37T+17T Allied + 78T Ger.]
    That makes it the 23th worst battle of the century


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    Posted By: Arkhanson
    Date Posted: 05-Sep-2004 at 10:08

    Hmmm thanks alot to every one



    Posted By: ihsan
    Date Posted: 05-Sep-2004 at 16:02

    Originally posted by Gallipoli

    No Ihsan, I am fed up with discussing this with you. The total number of dead were 310.000 for the Turkish side.How many times do I have to prove this?

    You ever heard of the wounded/injured, casualties from disease, lost (ie unknown whether survived or not), captives and others?



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    Posted By: Guests
    Date Posted: 09-Sep-2004 at 19:39
    In the American Civil War the bloodiest Battle was the Battle of Antetium Im not sure of the estimates and sorry for any mispelled words

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    Posted By: Guests
    Date Posted: 15-Sep-2004 at 02:54
    how bout the ardennes campaign....any of you guys has the exact casualties of that one...i think it is as bloody as stalingrad....

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    Posted By: Temujin
    Date Posted: 16-Sep-2004 at 15:30
    not even close to Stalingrad...

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    Posted By: Evildoer
    Date Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 16:19

    I think the Normandy thing posted on page 1 is Normandy Campaign, not Normandy landing - during the landing the Americans only took 2000 KIA's.

     



    Posted By: Temujin
    Date Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 13:59
    even then, even the whole Western front after the landing are nothing compared to Stalingrad...

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    Posted By: cavalry4ever
    Date Posted: 11-Jan-2005 at 11:45
    Originally posted by Ralo

    In the American Civil War the bloodiest Battle was the Battle of Antetium Im not sure of the estimates and sorry for any mispelled words


    Town is called Antietam and it was one the bloodiest battles of the Civil War. On a single day (September 17, 1862) more soldiers were wounded or died in a single day than in any single day of any other battle of the Civil War. Losses (wounded + dead) 12,410 Union and 10,700 Confederate.
    Another interesting fact is that US lost more soldiers in the Civil War than in all  wars combined during all of its history and up to the Vietnam War.


    Posted By: azimuth
    Date Posted: 11-Jan-2005 at 12:01

    i always thought the largest casulties were at the time of the Mongols somewhere in china

    i will try to get the battel name

     

     



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    Posted By: J.M.Finegold
    Date Posted: 11-Jan-2005 at 19:18
    In two hours of battle Hannibal slaughtered 70,000 Romans on the fields of Cannae - bloodiest day in history. (other than natural disasters)

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    Posted By: Ikki
    Date Posted: 11-Jan-2005 at 19:59

    I think that Stalingrad.

    Cannae for Sword era in Occident.

    In Orient, I/Eye said Koguryo vs Sui, that



    Posted By: Murph
    Date Posted: 11-Jan-2005 at 21:27
    Originally posted by Ralo

    In the American Civil War the bloodiest Battle was the Battle of Antetium Im not sure of the estimates and sorry for any mispelled words


    more people were killed at Gettysburg, but that took place over 3 days

    i just whipped out my 2003 Guiness Book of World Records, and it lists the Bloodiest Ancient Battle as The Battle of Cannae (85,700 men)...it also mentioned a reported 250,000 killed at Plataea, but this is considered unreliable as are many other ancient battles

    Bloodiest Modern Battle is listed as Stalingrad, with 1, 109,000 killed, along with ovef half a million Soviet wounded.  also mentions the Somme as having 1.22 million casualties (includes wounded)

    i dont know, maybe Mr. Guiness is wrong, but thats what it says
     

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    Posted By: TheOrcRemix
    Date Posted: 12-Jan-2005 at 00:25
    yea, Stalingrad sounds like a winner

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    Posted By: cattus
    Date Posted: 12-Jan-2005 at 01:49
    i have always wondered how many soviets died in on the Russian Front on June 6, 1944.


    Posted By: Moller
    Date Posted: 12-Jan-2005 at 05:49
    Extremely difficult to say how many exactly fell at Stalingrad. The chaos and lack of correct reports from the Red Army makes it impossible, but I agree that Stalingrad is a clear winner.

    If it counts I think that the siege of Leningrad is secpnd.


    Posted By: Murph
    Date Posted: 12-Jan-2005 at 17:53
    guiness also lists leningrad as the largest seige of all time (including civilian casualties....i don't know how they decide civlian vs military on the russian front)

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    Posted By: dark_one
    Date Posted: 12-Jan-2005 at 18:18
    20mil civilian
    7 mil military
    That's how it is here. Also up to Verdun Russia holds the records for the bloodiest battles of the 20th century makes me feel proud in a weird way, proud that we endured all that and survived.


    Posted By: Tobodai
    Date Posted: 12-Jan-2005 at 18:57
    I can never understand nationalism, how can you feel proud over something you had nothing whatsoever to do with and weren even around to take part in?

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    Posted By: demon
    Date Posted: 12-Jan-2005 at 19:00
    Shiloh was pretty bloody, considering it a battle of 17th century.  One record claims that there were so many corpses that one could not step the ground.

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    Posted By: Murph
    Date Posted: 12-Jan-2005 at 21:20
    shiloh?

    what shiloh is this, the only shiloh i know was in the american civil war (19th century)


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    Posted By: dark_one
    Date Posted: 13-Jan-2005 at 13:35
     Yeah I was gonna say that but I wasn't sure.


    Posted By: J.M.Finegold
    Date Posted: 14-Jan-2005 at 20:40

    Originally posted by dark_one

    20mil civilian
    7 mil military
    That's how it is here. Also up to Verdun Russia holds the records for the bloodiest battles of the 20th century makes me feel proud in a weird way, proud that we endured all that and survived.

     

    Those casualties are for 1941-1945... total civilian casualties at Leningrad were about 1.6 million.  You probably meant it as so, but I just wanted to clear it up.



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    Posted By: J.M.Finegold
    Date Posted: 14-Jan-2005 at 20:41

    Originally posted by Moller

    Extremely difficult to say how many exactly fell at Stalingrad. The chaos and lack of correct reports from the Red Army makes it impossible, but I agree that Stalingrad is a clear winner.

    If it counts I think that the siege of Leningrad is secpnd.

    Casualties between both sides are at around 1.1 million..German casualties are easier to pin down, and including those who died in Soviet camps, the deaths are around 300,000.  (taking in mind reinforcements, and wounded)



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    Posted By: Guests
    Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 04:52

    Battles of the western front during WW2 were nothing when compared to those of eastern front. The truth is that Wehrmacht fell in the east, despite americans are trying to take credit from the fall of Germany. Forget the Normandy if you want to talk about bloody battles. Stalingrad and Leningrad were much bloodier.

    Someone wanted to know what happened on the east at the russian front when the Normandy campaign started. Russians started at the same time their own camaign because allies wanted to have pressure on the east also. Stalin decided that their campaign would aim to total destruction and conquer of Finland and Finnish army. Most of the Russian artillery and their best elite troops (guards divisions) were sended to Karelian peninsula. They started massive artillery barrages and wave assaults against unprepared Finns. Two first defensive lines were utterly crushed but the third (an the last) held. In the massive battle of Tali-Ihantala Soviets were soundly beaten and their campaign to invade Finland was ended disastrously. Battle of Tali-Ihantala was largest in the history of northern europe so the June/July of 1944 was not very funny for the soviets either.



    Posted By: Guests
    Date Posted: 02-Feb-2005 at 10:50

    The battle of Cannae was a major death shot for the ancient days. The Roman troops were slaughtered by Carthage's armies. I am not sure, but I think about 60,000 people died.

    In the 1800's, during the Crimean War, Tsar Nicholas thought that Russia was the most powerful nation in the World, but at a battle during the war. The Tsar's armies were masacred by French and England's troops which were superior in technology.



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    Posted By: dark_one
    Date Posted: 02-Feb-2005 at 12:56
     He thought we were superior becasue we beat Napoleon. And it is the Napoleonic army that  went into the Crimean war, awesome by 1812 standards but severely outdated byt he time Crieman War began.


    Posted By: Guests
    Date Posted: 08-Feb-2005 at 04:29
    Battle of Gao Pin.   450000-500000  soldiers ofZhao kingdom was killed by Qin kingdom

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    Posted By: druidebaron.nl
    Date Posted: 27-Feb-2005 at 07:17
    Nobody mentioned Verdun? The offensive to bleed France white, costed the lives of an estimated 700,000 men.


    Posted By: Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner
    Date Posted: 27-Feb-2005 at 09:02

    Lepanto--October 7, 1571.

    Ottoman Turks lost upwards of 30,000 men in one day, and the majority of their 200+ ships were sunk, burned, or captured.

    And they never really recovered from that.



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    Posted By: EvilNed
    Date Posted: 28-Feb-2005 at 12:48

    Originally posted by MikeP

    What about the battle at Issus?  When Alexander the Great defeated Darius.  I have heard accounts of up to 300,000 casualties.  While these are probably exaggerated, most authors agree that there were at least around 100,000 people killed.

    I very much doubt that. First off, most agree that there WERE 100,000 soldier sin the Persian army, and I very much doubt that all of them were killed. The Battle of Gaugamela was a much larger battle, where Darius sized up an army 4 times the size of Alexanders (putting it t a 160,000 men at a minimum, but I've heard people say over 200,000). Of course, not even here everyone was killed, but I'm sure a great deal of persians were slaughtered. Especially since they fled after Darius did.



    Posted By: Guests
    Date Posted: 14-Mar-2005 at 06:44
    The battle of Borodino 1812. In excess of 60,000 killed in one day. This figure would stand until the Great war and the first day of the Battle of the Somme. 


    Posted By: Moller
    Date Posted: 14-Mar-2005 at 12:22
    According to this the British lost 58.000 on the 1th of July 1916 at the Somme. Most have been surrealistic to be the one to report about the overall casualties


    Posted By: Moller
    Date Posted: 14-Mar-2005 at 12:23

    Sorry here is the link

    http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/somme.htm - http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/somme.htm




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