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Topic: Shocking (literally) police footage
Posted By: Cywr
Subject: Shocking (literally) police footage
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 17:44
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/video/taser_video3a.html - http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/video/taser_v ideo3a.html

Those cops look a little heavy handed to me.

Theres an arctile by Amesty International about excessive use of Tasers and other non-lethal weapons in the US http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engamr511392004 - Here (thanks to Mixcoatl for the link).
So what do you all think?


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 17:51
It's torture of the worst kind. Those policemen should thrown in jail for that.

From now on I'll laugh every time I hear Bush or one of his cronies speak the word "freedom".


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Posted By: TheodoreFelix
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 17:56

I have seen taser's being used lots of times on cop shows and never did the person react in such a fashion. They were usually hurt by it but never to THAT extent.



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Posted By: Thegeneral
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 18:03
You guys laughed at Bush whenever he said freedom before this why does this make a difference if they were doing there job and they have an actress on their hands?

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Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 18:49
Ive seen various new and old footage of tazers being used and never seen anyone react like this. She does seem to overreact. Regardless it should only be used as a last resort. They definately acted too quickly, wouldnt care if that cop gets suspended or fired.





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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 19:02
Originally posted by Iskender Bey ALBO

I have seen taser's being used lots of times on cop shows and never did the person react in such a fashion.

It seems to me that's because cop shows are not very likely to show people react in such a fashing, because that's bad promotion for the police.

Apart from that, I sooner believe AI than a cop show.


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Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 19:18

Well, people are supposed to do what the police officer tells them. It is also for the security of the policeman. Rightful citisen has no reason to disobey policeman's order.

Affcourse if such thing happend to me i would have sued the police to the court.

From this movie i dont get only one thing. Why did they arrest her? I guess not for driving too fast?



Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 19:33
In the video "The traffic stop", he says that she was speeding, broken windshield, no seatbelt and a brake light was out. One of the brake lights does look to be out.
I think he also said that her liscense was suspended.

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Posted By: Illuminati
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 20:07
I'vee seen peopel tased in real life. That is a dramatic over-reaction.

Stun guns merely make the personal fall t the ground. They ususally can't use their muscles to move around all that much


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Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 20:14

Originally posted by Catt

In the video "The traffic stop", he says that she was speeding, broken windshield, no seatbelt and a brake light was out. One of the brake lights does look to be out.
I think he also said that her liscense was suspended.

Ok but why did they arrested her? None of the reasons above seems to be enough for being chained and arrested - at least in Europe.



Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 21:12
Im not positive but driving with a suspended or revoked liscense are grounds to be taken in. He believed she was resisting and they dont like that.
Police are often too quick to call "resisting arrest" or "assaulting an officer" and consider them serious offences.

I have a feeling though that next time she gets pulled over, she wont be such a bitch.

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Posted By: Illuminati
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 21:48
You can't drive with a suspended license. It was suspended for a reason. The police arrested her because they can't allow her to drive back home or wherever she was going.  That would eb the only reason. you don't get arrested for causing an accident or having a broken brake light. You would only get a ticket.

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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 02-Jun-2005 at 00:28
Originally posted by Mosquito

Originally posted by Catt

In the video "The traffic stop", he says that she was speeding, broken windshield, no seatbelt and a brake light was out. One of the brake lights does look to be out. I think he also said that her liscense was suspended.


Ok but why did they arrested her? None of the reasons above seems to be enough for being chained and arrested - at least in Europe.



It's not Europe so you are comparing apple to oranges. She was driving with a suspended license and in some states it is an arresting offense, it depend on the state and their laws. She did resist and frankly she way overreacted. I also thought the cop reacted to fast to a non threatening situation.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 02-Jun-2005 at 07:03
According to Amnesty those things are possibly lethal (71 people died so far). So I think it's rather extreme to use it for a driving offense.

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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 03-Jun-2005 at 02:49
They use it WAY too much.  And for what, a traffic stop? Gimme a break.  I dont trust the police and I never will. I think its a field for people who have a psychological need to power play.  I have a friend who was raped by police officers after she reported already being raped.  Now knowing they have these gestapo sticks makes me wonder what else they can force people into doing.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 03-Jun-2005 at 06:35
Originally posted by Tobodai

I have a friend who was raped by police officers after she reported already being raped.

what? how is that even possible? are those officers brought to court?


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Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 03-Jun-2005 at 15:20
well, i trust the police. Affcourse there always will be some black sheeps between them but in general they are all right. They have responsible job, somtimes dangerous and they dont earn much monay. But most of them is doing their best.


Posted By: Thegeneral
Date Posted: 03-Jun-2005 at 15:38

Originally posted by Tobodai

They use it WAY too much.  And for what, a traffic stop? Gimme a break.  I dont trust the police and I never will. I think its a field for people who have a psychological need to power play.  I have a friend who was raped by police officers after she reported already being raped.  Now knowing they have these gestapo sticks makes me wonder what else they can force people into doing.

Why do I doubt the truth hear.  Oh, because it is a LIE!  No cop will rape someone if they are rapped.  Maybe like in some uncivilized country but not anywhere in America.  And those aren't Gestopo sticks.  They are used for protection because incase you forgot, they are defending your rights and saftey just as much as the Armed Forces.



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Posted By: Illuminati
Date Posted: 03-Jun-2005 at 17:40

I would have to say I trust cops. You have bad apples in every profession. I think saying that cops are evil and untrustworthy is an ignorant statement. One could make an argument that scientists are more evil than police officers are what with all the horrible things done in the name of science. Without police you have utter chaos in society.

Police officers put themselves in danger everyday for terrible pay. They go after drug dealers and murderers who would love nothing more than to kill them. If anything, police officers are to be respected.



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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 03-Jun-2005 at 22:27
Originally posted by Thegeneral

Originally posted by Tobodai

They use it WAY too much.  And for what, a traffic stop? Gimme a break.  I dont trust the police and I never will. I think its a field for people who have a psychological need to power play.  I have a friend who was raped by police officers after she reported already being raped.  Now knowing they have these gestapo sticks makes me wonder what else they can force people into doing.

Why do I doubt the truth hear.  Oh, because it is a LIE!  No cop will rape someone if they are rapped.  Maybe like in some uncivilized country but not anywhere in America.  And those aren't Gestopo sticks.  They are used for protection because incase you forgot, they are defending your rights and saftey just as much as the Armed Forces.

 

You have a very strange and idealistic view of the world, and idealism is for fools.  Americans posses no inherent spiritual essence because they are born in North America over anyone else, theres only socio economic factors, and parts of the US are like 3rd countries.  You can have this view because you probably live in either an isolated area or an area of realtive wealth. 

And of course not all cops are bad, but a cop is a person, and all people taken in mass have problems.  Fortuenately th eone in question did go to jail, hence a jury found him guilty beyond a reasonabel doubt, thus legally, IT HAPPENED.  Your ignorant interjections aside the facts put that cop behind bars in a court of law.

And I cant think of a single way how the armed forces protect my rights by traipsing around the middle east and not even being able to get cheap gas, mucless anything else.  Cops I trust far more than the armed forces on the whole, at least in this society.



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Posted By: Kalevipoeg
Date Posted: 04-Jun-2005 at 07:32
Naturally you can tase with a low voltage on cop shows to not upset the mob, but in real life you can tune those babies up to make fried chicken.

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Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 26-Jun-2005 at 15:10

I regret that I follow this thread without having seen the video, as my pc has some trouble with Qucktime. But anyway...

Tasers can indeed be rigged to fry a kangaroo riding a camel floating on a crocodile along the river Nile, but the general consensus says that what they saw was overreacting, so I tend to believe that.

Now, about police brutality or overreacting or whatever we and they wanna call it, I have to say that in larger cities, police tends to be overreactive. This is due to the fact that they do not know whom they are dealing with at any time. Of course, this is by no means a plausible excuse, so these officers exceeding the limits of their authority must be brought to justice, as any other offender of personal liberties. However, the difference here is that this must be done without need of filing of a lawsuit by the victim of police overreaction. The state itself must protect itself from these occurrences or they will amplify the social phenomenon of hate against police, with obvious results.



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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 26-Jun-2005 at 15:41

I want to taze that dumb pig.

What he did was pure sadism.



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Posted By: mord
Date Posted: 26-Jun-2005 at 15:52

Bad cop, plain and simple. You could tell from the tone of his voice in his first sentence he wanted a confrontation.  The lack of manners was the tip-off.  The warnings were crap since the woman wasn't listening and was panicing which is why she was on the phone.  But then again, the cop wasn't listening either, and was too eager to use his weapon.  This was  speeding ticket, not a drug bust.  

Usually I'm on the police's side, but this situation calls for suspension if not outright termination.  The cop should not be on the street.

Mord.



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Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 26-Jun-2005 at 22:54
Originally posted by Mosquito

Well, people are supposed to do what the police officer tells them. It is also for the security of the policeman. Rightful citisen has no reason to disobey policeman's order.

Affcourse if such thing happend to me i would have sued the police to the court.

From this movie i dont get only one thing. Why did they arrest her? I guess not for driving too fast?

Thank you Mosquito.  That woman was committing the crime of resisting arrest and non-lethal force was used to force her to comply.  That's completely legal and in my opinion she's at fault for failing to get out of the car.  She was also warned four times to get out of the car or she was going to be tased.



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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2005 at 07:18
The use of the tazer was completely unnecessary, he could have just removed her from the vehicle himself after arresting her.  She wasn't even under arrest when she was ordered to step out of the vehicle.  Completely unnecessary and evil.

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Posted By: Quetzalcoatl
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2005 at 07:57

 

 I think the policeman was very professional. He asked the woman to get out the car she refused. Well dear he've been all but nice to you, you deserve worse for not obeying the law.



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Posted By: Laelius
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2005 at 12:08
BTW recently in Madison (capitol of Wisconsin) a police officer used a taser on a five year child because the kid had a pocket knife.


Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2005 at 14:41

basic training gone too far?



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Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2005 at 19:05

Originally posted by Zagros Purya

The use of the tazer was completely unnecessary, he could have just removed her from the vehicle himself after arresting her.  She wasn't even under arrest when she was ordered to step out of the vehicle.  Completely unnecessary and evil.

That would have put him in danger, she could have stabbed him when he was vulnerable leaning into the car, or she could have punched the gas and run away with him part way in the car.



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Posted By: Quetzalcoatl
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2005 at 20:02
Originally posted by Genghis

Originally posted by Zagros Purya

The use of the tazer was completely unnecessary, he could have just removed her from the vehicle himself after arresting her.  She wasn't even under arrest when she was ordered to step out of the vehicle.  Completely unnecessary and evil.

That would have put him in danger, she could have stabbed him when he was vulnerable leaning into the car, or she could have punched the gas and run away with him part way in the car.

 

Exactly people doesn't understand the stress those policemen are routinely under. They have to follow a protocol when they arrest someone. no matter who the person is, they have to do that. There are also the other side of the story where policemen get kill because they are too nice or not careful enough .  Anyone who condemn that policeman should put himself in that person shoes. i think this man behaved like a rea;l professional and that woman deserves further punishment for not obeying the law. She just had to step out of the car, that's all he asked for. He cannot be at fault here, I know people tend to feel sympathy for a woman, but he has to follow the protocol.



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