Melting Pot VS Cultural Mosaic
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Topic: Melting Pot VS Cultural Mosaic
Posted By: Ollios
Subject: Melting Pot VS Cultural Mosaic
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2014 at 10:28
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Actually issue is minorities After French Revolution, not just idea of freedom spreaded also nationalism found a way for spreading. But now I guess, Multiculturism become popular and legal and illegal immigrant is rising so How we provide the blance? Is melting pot some kind of assimilation which is crime against humanity ? or Is multi-culturalism a failed way? I think these photoes are very good to summarize the topic. Both are about USA but right is multiculturaism way, left is melting pot way.   ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2014 at 23:59
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There is no real difference between melting pot and multiculturalism. Where are you coming from with these three questions, "How we provide the balance?", "Is melting pot some kind of assimilation which is crime against humanity ?", and "Is multi-culturalism a failed way?", Ollios? Generally, Ollios, these are in the divisive language style associated with the nastier side of far-right politics, used to highlight differences in order to poison the mind, instead of the common ground we all share. ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2014 at 06:26
??? Interenet is full with their difference. so can you be more clear?
I don't see a problem with balance? What is the problem with them? but about other questions, The reason of using strong language like that is to show the difference between them. (I believe they are different) Actually first one is belongs to far-left and second is far-right. One of the famous melting pot idiom http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhistorymatters.gmu.edu%2Fd%2F5762%2F&ei=xQdaVOipBIGzuATXoYGABw&usg=AFQjCNHbWvCqSJuiFPa8ye31lSX5HZ7e_A&bvm=bv.78677474,d.c2E - "One Country! One Language! One Flag!" but this sounds a little bit assimilation. (also this is left perspective) Multi-Culturalism is also criticized by nationalistic people and far-right  ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2014 at 22:11
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Where are you coming from with
these three questions, "How we provide the balance?", "Is
melting pot some kind of assimilation which is crime against humanity ?",
and "Is multi-culturalism a failed way?", Ollios? Generally,
Ollios, these are in the divisive language style associated with the nastier
side of far-right politics, used to highlight differences in order to
poison the mind, instead of the common ground we all share. To “provide the balance”
is often the kind of emotive language the far-right uses to force open an
agenda of discrimination by placing a wedge between groups of people by
suggesting culpability on those not originally from that area. Do you imagine people to
be too stupid to register cultural differences when they are offered, Ollios?
What other differences do you imagine need to be pointed out with the negative
emotive language you reference as strong language that would be beneficial across
the board? The second question
instigated without a legitimate prompt is the rhetoric of right wing
nationalism, although I can see where you’re coming from with your belief that
it’s left wing, when used to answer allegations of a lack of commitment to integrate
into communities. The http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhistorymatters.gmu.edu%2Fd%2F5762%2F&ei=xQdaVOipBIGzuATXoYGABw&usg=AFQjCNHbWvCqSJuiFPa8ye31lSX5HZ7e_A&bvm=bv.78677474,d.c2E - link doesn’t actually show the origin of
the term, or the name of the person who first used it. Not exactly sure you
could class it as left wing either. ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2014 at 05:09
I think there is cultural lack between us. For me it sounds like it is coming from a kind of pacifist Far East religion.
Do you imagine people to
be too stupid to register cultural differences when they are offered, Ollios?
What other differences do you imagine need to be pointed out with the negative
emotive language you reference as strong language that would be beneficial across
the board?
Is this your writing style, for you just want to show me negative emotive language? 
Actually, I hate using political terms to define myself, so I won't confirm your statement about my belief. The http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhistorymatters.gmu.edu%2Fd%2F5762%2F&ei=xQdaVOipBIGzuATXoYGABw&usg=AFQjCNHbWvCqSJuiFPa8ye31lSX5HZ7e_A&bvm=bv.78677474,d.c2E - link doesn’t actually show the origin of
the term, or the name of the person who first used it. Not exactly sure you
could class it as left wing either. |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2014 at 10:34
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I think there is cultural lack between
us.
Then as there must have been a reason
that you chose the three questions in the OP, I look forward to your knowledge
of the pacifist Far East religion’s take on the subject of your thread.
Do you imagine people to be too stupid
to register cultural differences when they are offered, Ollios? What other
differences do you imagine need to be pointed out with the negative emotive
language you reference as strong language that would be beneficial across the
board? When you comparing two
things, if you use strong languages for one them. This means supporting one
side, but using for the both of them, I don't see any problem. The http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhistorymatters.gmu.edu%2Fd%2F5762%2F&ei=xQdaVOipBIGzuATXoYGABw&usg=AFQjCNHbWvCqSJuiFPa8ye31lSX5HZ7e_A&bvm=bv.78677474,d.c2E - "One Country! One Language! One Flag!" link
doesn’t actually show the origin of the term, or the name of the person who
first used it. Not exactly sure you could class it as left wing either. ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2014 at 12:10
I couldn't understand the connection with balance and far-right. If we divide the all words as good and bad, balance would be in good side, for me. but, it could be used by far right groups in USA.
I agree, cultural difference can't be stop. But, don't you think there is a problem?
------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2014 at 13:58
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And where is the line between "multi-culturalism" and Balkanization?
------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2014 at 23:58
I don't support any idea, but I want to find a way, so your question is excellent. Can Multi-Culturalism enough for union of the country? Every country needs some thing to support own unification. But Melting Pot? Should all minorites and immigrant/refugees forget their own languages? For example, native languages what we do about in this issue? Doesn't American Spanish speaking population grow? What will happen after Spanish speaking population be more then English speakers? I have read a news about Greece. Goverment have said that Turks can't open a nursery school, the idea about this is a Turkish boy who goes there, can't adapted the primary school. and I also have joined a conference about Armenians in Turkey, and Armenians complain about same issue. so for me, there can be this type of minority nurseries but their one of the first priority, should be give two languages to children and help them to not face cultural shocks when they are in majority. ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: pudu
Date Posted: 09-Nov-2014 at 05:39
| Multiculturalism is unstable. Sooner or later will fail, and will be replaced by oppressive regimes that will look for uniformity. Remember Al-Andalus. |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 09-Nov-2014 at 06:35
I agree.
Can you open it? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also old Melting Pot Countries are changing. No one can say that now, great melting pot example USA is still same. It is more tolerated now, at least I am seeing like that from here. Similarly, Atatürk's Turkey was also great example of melting pot and it was succesfull on Albanians, Bosnians, Caucausian Muslims, Tatars, Lazs, Muslim Georgians, but it failed with Kurds so now my country is also turning to multi-culturalism. and with increasing globalization, no one also stay in stick melting pot position. ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |