"Break-down of the talks and post-mortem assessments"

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As far as ISIS is concerned, Ollios, at this present time, their actions seem to be news worthy.

Mobile + Laptop + Facebook, so even I can keep up with a wide range of subject matter, whether it be weather, news, or whatever likes I favour at any given times. Plus as someone who doesn’t sit on their laurels, although being in the top two percent for IQ, way above average for EQ, and a leaning towards logic on a high score across the board on my multi intelligence, I still enjoys stretching my minds with the many games found on line.

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As for everybody having a point, everyone being right from different perspective, and each seeing one part of reality, I’m guessing you weren’t being literal, Ollios.

What is wrong, Ollios, incapable of answering the simple questing I put before you? Here it is again.” Had the Arab nations won against Israel, would they have given Israel the land Israel is on back, or even in its entirety?” I look forward to seeing your answer.

Btw, Ollios, surely your analogy is the wrong way around. Wasn’t it the Arabs in the seventh century who invaded the region, displacing the people of Israel? That would make the Arabs American colonists surely, wouldn’t it?

Very interesting, Ollios. Would it be possible for you to explain to us why the method you’re using is called the Socratic methods, and what steps you are taking in its implementation which make it so?

That said, Ollios, your analogy includes the Palestinians in answer to my question. I hope you didn’t mistakenly believe they were who I was talking about. The lands taken belonged to Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. I think I’m right in believing that history shows that at the time no Palestinian state ever ruling its own lands. Didn’t the Ottoman Empire hold those same people under the yoke for a considerable length of time, Ollios?

As for “talked like someone who learnt history in church class or madrasas”, I will have to bow to you who has the experience and knowledge of such things, for I have had no education imparted to me in such a way.

Btw, Ollios, why do you believe, you being the open minded person you say you are, that the theme you used would make it very easy for Americans, alone, to understand? Quite frankly, Ollios, by totally disregarding the consequences of WW2 your scenario makes little sense.

That is global issue. I don't expect that all top Turkish news should be in British(or someone else TV), we don't heard about what Kate's baby, wearing or is Queen flue or not? These issues can be in British news.

I said that because I saw that news as important.

It is more important than attack against one rabbi but this is for me.

still main point is not Palestine or Israel, how our impact remodelling according to news.

If there is no news about whale on TV, do you think that awarness of protecting whales be as current level.

so if Americans see Palestine suffers and Israel's human right violations as much as Israel situation agianst Hamas attacks, do you think they still follow same politics?

I didn't accuse some media organisation, I just mean that our conflicts about these type of issues because of references difference. All we see just one part of the reality, not all reality.

That's why, I try to find reality, not just follow Islamic guy. I want to know what other people seeing and try to understand them, asking myself did I miss anything and I don't understand why you are not doing same thing? and you are swimming in arrongance.

Even I am trying to understand PKK and I believe that Kurds can have a country as a Turkish guy. I am not just passing with saying that they are terrorist, there will be no peace, if there is a fanatic kurds. That is very childish.

After Mandela and Gandhi's word, now I am more sure that my way is more close to reality.

and I said before, if you can't see how make the Israel human right violation powerful the organisaiton like ISIS, you should be blind.

There is a direct relation. That means West is like a child who see just a ball but not seeing coming fast car.

Again suprising perspective, same as Jihadist who believe non-muslim states can be conquer or colonist perspective, there is no important internation laws for Inca Empire and other.

I am wondering where is the hourable boys of Wilson?

and history shows us there was no Jewish Majority in that area.

When I said you are eating like an animal, it doesn't mean you are an animal. It means you are eating messly without any eating rules. Am I wrong?

Which politics exactly are you talking about, Ollios, and why do you feel so compelled to highlight a specific nation, especially when your question for this thread wasn’t about an American site?

Swimming in arrogance?

Then show me a rundown of the figures for the ratio of population in Israel prior to the Arab invasion in the seventh century. What you’ll see is history’s perspective, not my own.

Yes, my fault, but it is also to show similarity between PKK and Hamas. Both are recognised as terrorist in generally.

That's defense just make me smile

According to all your perspective, all people should live in their ancient homeland ???

so I have right to invade Crimea as guy which is R1a

Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising So even if you had said that I eat like an animal, regardless of saying I’m and animal or not, you equate that person as an animal. This is a well-known method used by those intent on racial discrimination, in order to dehumanise their intended victims. There was a fascinating monologue on The Matrix by Mr Smith, trying to justify the eradication of the human race. Much like the anti-Jewish propaganda films of the 1930s.

Yes, sorry for the example, I know it is regardless but at that moment, just it came to my mind.

like an animal
as an animal,  so there is difference.

I really do not see a point to talk about something that mush basic

Empathy, Ollios, doesn’t preclude the confirmation bias, in fact it will tend the accentuate it.

As for trying to understand others, Ollios, I’m an empath. I am also blessed to have a fianceé who is an empathy, and also the only one I know who truly knows, and understands, what exactly that really means. Even though I live with such a sensory overload, I still look at the possibility of the confirmation bias in what I’m looking at.

The environment which creates the Hitlers of this world is the power vacuum, every single time. However if you want to compare the situation Of the Germans of the Hitler era with that of The situation the Palestinians find themselves in, which created the power vacuum, you have to start with the conflicts they both were involved in where they were seen as the aggressors and lost the war. However, Ollios, it would be very naïve of me to suggest that what followed was predicable enough to have stopped any of it without those around me believing a lunatic was having a psychotic episode.

I remember asking you, “why this specific story should have had presidency over the articles you found on the BBC news site on that day?”. Have you had enough time yet to formulate an answer yet?   

Are you of the opinion that you should be the only one that shouldn’t, Ollios?

The perceptions of a child up to around the age of nine or ten are very black and white, and miss the subtle shades that come between. Those who become brainwashed can act in this same way.

I really do not see a point to talk about something that mush basic [/QUOTE]

Not looking so open minded now, Ollios, with all of these questions you’ve chosen to dodge.

This is your empathy defination. According to that defination, can I take it as possiblity of your confirmation of your bias?

You are still saying same thing but still far from my point, please return my first post and focus on second half.

The problem is the news which is not in the BBC. I didn't ask anything about it? Even I accept this is a global issue.

The problem is not that,

If I didn't tell you, you would not know this issue because you didn't see it on the news.

And atfer that issue, if an attack happened in Israel, you would just think like that "aaa terrorist Palestinians attacked again"

But I knew the issue behind that attack, but you didn't and with your mentality which didn't have some part of reality would act with BIAS.

I am not accusing somebody of something , I told even it can happened for me for other case and see it as a global problem.

just keep your mind and perspective opened and feed them with diffirent perspective

but of course there is a freedom of speech, and so you can waste your time this second level important issues.

Again tricky word games...

and ???

Don't you believe that Israel's Human Right Violation against Muslim doesn't have effect on Jihadist perspective, and not seeing Israel these type acts is helping them?

I am also think that your situation is quite interesting as well as my case. Actually, your case is more interesting because less rational.

I can use a law term which is prescription against your claim , but what you will do? (you are talking about  seventh century), please check the ethnic structure of North America in seventh century, if you are rational and give the rights to Jews taking their old territories from seventh centuries, you should be ok with possiblity of Native Americans taking their lands where belongs them in seventh century.

Sorry, but I am not open-mind against non-rationals. 

and I still don't understand what kind of future are you imagining? A future when all nations can act with pan-nationalistic behaviours and try to take places where one time belongs them.

Grammatically there is a difference yes, Ollios. However in the mind’s eye these types of metaphors compare the person with an animal so they suggest the same thing.[/QUOTE]

That would depend now, Ollios. If you’re saying our definitions in this regard oppose, then you are only able to take it as a possibility if you’re wrong.

“…I told you, I can change the issue and make it…” – Yes, nothing whatsoever to do with your OP.

Compelling ? Is it a new word for true?

Ollios, the specifications of the gun had modifications of your own design. The unfortunate consequences of your actions had it pointing towards you whichever end you held.

Also, Ollios, I suggest you look up the term empath to find a reasonable definition. You will see your error when you do.

For someone who likes to go on about the Socratic method, you seem to keep putting yourself into the position where had someone applied it to a specific point in an argument, the truth the method is designed to play out to would be found, and not in your favour.

Sorry, but I think, I need your help

This game can be play with just people who really wants to know/search the truth, not people who become slave of their own biases.

I suggest you google “What is an empathy?”, Ollios.

I guess when you say, “This game” you’re talking about the Socratic method, Ollios. The game as you call it, will run its course when allowed, regardless of the biases you hold, as long as you follow the methodology.

Will you elaborate, Ollios? 

Again word games, you are not just good at it. You are Guru of it. Double

Games have just a meaning, if you play with the rules. Who can blame someone not to play with a guy who disrespect with the game rules?

It seems that it is "Gazali Time"