Greece+Serbia vs Turkey
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Topic: Greece+Serbia vs Turkey
Posted By: vulkan02
Subject: Greece+Serbia vs Turkey
Date Posted: 07-May-2005 at 21:29
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If such a war happened without any other nation getting involved who
would win? My bet is on Turkey since it has a very powerful American
influenced military.
------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
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Posted By: strategos
Date Posted: 07-May-2005 at 21:48
Well first you said if no other countries get invovled, but then you say turkey because of American influece? Doesnt the AMerican influence count as someone getting invovled? ------------- http://theforgotten.org/intro.html |
Posted By: Alexander of Macedon
Date Posted: 07-May-2005 at 22:23
Turkey will win ------------- 
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Posted By: I/eye
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 04:58
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I think he means no further influence.. and Turkey will win ------------- [URL=http://imageshack.us] 
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Posted By: Perseas
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 05:13
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I am sure if sth like that happened you and your Slavic friends would join Turkish military from day one, Al. Btw what kind of signature is this you put there, Al? Is it my imagination or is your signature map contains Areas of other countries like Greece and Bulgaria??? This is called propaganda Al, sth which is too common upon your Slavic people. So considering what has happened in the past here with a flag of Cyprus, do us a favor Al. and get rid of it. I am sure noone here appreciates members having as signature maps containing areas of other countries. |
Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 07:15
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OOOOOOOh this is intersting!Greece has a strong navy and is powerful as turkey with aircrafts.Istanbul-open target!But Turkey is in the top 7 for the number of soldiers,tanks,navy and airplanes so tough!If we survive the loss of whole istanbul we will win.Greek military is strong,we would definatly have to rebuild istanbul Izmir-i don't know.Overall,I think it'S like first world war war,a country with strong navy and economics against one with strong land miliyary(expt we have aircrafts,and we are close to greece) Really hard,but i vote turky ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: Gazi
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 09:26
You are suggesting that the Ottoman Empire had a strong land army? ------------- “Freedom is the recognition of necessity.”-Friedrich Engels |
Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 10:07
Turkey,not the ottoman empire! ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: Kenaney
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 13:02
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We OWN them like we did in 1071, 1453, 1923, 1974 I know it feels hard but still We are the champions, we are the champions, YOU are the losers but WE are the champions A suggestion let them fight with best weapons they have and we with just hand-guns still we would win.... no chance for greco-serbs
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Posted By: strategos
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 13:22
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What about 1821? DId you win that year too? If your not going toi really add to the posts, then please to not participate, ------------- http://theforgotten.org/intro.html |
Posted By: AyKurt
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 13:23
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Greece is much smaller territorially than Turkey so the targets are
easier to reach. Most of Greeces military is on the Thrace and
Turkey would suffer great loses there, however if Turkey was smart then
they could divide the Greek forces there by attacking Greece somewhere
less obvious where Greece would be forced to defend thus weakening the
Greeks and by the size of Turkish forces alone Turkey would force
through a weaker defended Thrace, once thats accomplished then it
would be an easy victory from then on. Also another factor is civilians. Obviously they will get involved and again numbers is on Turkeys side. I would give it two weeks for Turkey to get through the Thrace and maybe a week after that to finish Greece off. ------------- Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha |
Posted By: AyKurt
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 13:24
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I have no idea why i just participated in this stupid thread
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Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 13:56
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Yeah yeah,but our border in thrace is extremely strong,my grandfather was with the army,and he told that we sent troops to the border during te cyprus event,but never called them back ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: AyKurt
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 14:02
ok, one week to get through the Thrace then and one more week to finish the Greeks off  ------------- Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha |
Posted By: strategos
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 14:03
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I have heard that on the Thracian boarder it is divided by a river, and that the Greeks have the highground, and the turkish side is on lower ground. I do not believe the turks couldp ush over the river, and then Up to the highground.I have not seen the boarder, but what if the bridge or bridges are blown out. How do they cross under constant fire of greeks? |
Posted By: AyKurt
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 14:11
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A couple of options. the first would be to attack Greece elswhere like i said to force the Greeks to pull some troops out of the Thrace to defend other parts of Greece, the other option would depend on how the war would start. Turkey could mount a suprise arial attack which would weaken the installations there. Also if most of Greeces forces are on the Thrace then that would leave ther rest of Greece vulnerable. If Turkey attacks a less defended part of Greece then the Turks could fight on two fronts of the Thrace, coming from behind as well as on the border. Either way the Turks would be victorious. ------------- Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha |
Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 14:41
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Greece will put up a good fight if we attack by land.we have so many aircrafts,first we should strike from the air.After thay get over the effect of the first strike we attack!But i don't know the situation and the quality of the land army of greece wiich is strong i assume,if we win,it'll take like year or more ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: strategos
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 14:42
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Where else, my friend, could they attack? Send their ships through the "shark infested" waters of the Aegean, full of greek ships and missles? Thrace is the only place to realistically attack, except for the islands but the islands closest to turkey would have no major impact on the outcome of the war. If turkey could get by in thrace, then prehaps they could win the war.Who says that Serbia will not cross through Bulgaria to fight the tuks on northern thrace? there are many options. ------------- http://theforgotten.org/intro.html |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 17:38
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I heard somewhere that Turkey was preparing to invade Serbia with ground troops during the Kosovo conflict. Is this true??? ------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: Phallanx
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 23:27
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Man, is this topic pathetic or are the people that have posted TOTALLY IGNORANT??????? In any military conflict, providing that other "powers" aren't involved the basis of difference is military equipment and strategic positions. NONE OF THESE HAVE BEEN MENTIONED!!!!!!!!! I suggest our dear pro-Turkish friends give us a list of available military targets, how they can (if they can) disable them, what the "anti-weapon" to the S300 is and exactly how they will if not disable, avoid it, what they can or will do about the ARTEMIS, how they can get through the islands of the Aegean, their available fighter planes and what type................... War these days isn't, I have 20000 you have 2000, these kinds of battles were 500yrs ago, today it's all about strategic positions and ADVANCED military equipment. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent. |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 23:44
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sorry to break it to you but Turkey has many more advanced weapons and
more quantities of Planes, tanks, soldiers and pretty much everything
else than do Greece and Serbia put together.
------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 23:51
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all Turkey has to do is unleash its superior air force and bomb all
communication systems in Greece.... the rest is pretty much left to
infantry and ground troops
------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: Phallanx
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 23:53
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Present a list of how many F-16's, what artillery, ships, tanks ........... That is how this discussion should go, no one cares about what you or I think. In this case only weapons talk. So name them or close this ridiculous topic. ------------- To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent. |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 09-May-2005 at 00:00
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look that up in CIA country factbook ------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 09-May-2005 at 00:06
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Turkey
spends more than twice as much as Greece on its military plus they have
American airbases so they must have gotten military compensation for
that as well. Plus the army of Turkey is much bigger than that of
Greece because obviously its population is almost 70 million almost 7
times that of Greece. Note im not even including Serbia into this
discussion because their economy as well as military are in ruins so
they would make very little impact in this scenario. ------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: Phallanx
Date Posted: 09-May-2005 at 00:14
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vulkan02 I don't see what is so hard for you to understand???? I give you one gun and we are 50 against you with slingshots, who will win???? Of course the one with the advanced tehnology, YOU. Look up European military budget!!!!! CIA mentions NOTHING, only manpower, which is totally irrelevant. If you can't provide a list of how many F-16's and the exact block type, ask!!!! Some of us can present FACTS, if you don't know the number of Corsairs, again ASK, ships, air to air and air to ground missiles, tank types..... As I said that is what was is all about. ------------- To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent. |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 09-May-2005 at 00:25
im not gonna look it up now but when i do ill tell you. Although i
think its pretty obvious that if you spend more, got more population
and are close friends with Americans your military is going to be more
modern than that which doesn't have this things duh .
lol this is a historical amusement forum so I included only
Greece+Serbia vs. Turkey but u took it too seriously and started
involving EU lol.
------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: I/eye
Date Posted: 09-May-2005 at 00:58
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sorry.. these numbers are from year 2000, and i don't have Serbia, but I don't think they'll make much difference Greece vs Turkey population(millions) 10 vs 66 2nd gen tanks 1021 vs 1329 destroyers 4 vs 0 modern fighters 156 vs 240 military spending($ billions) 5.89(2004) vs 12.155(2003) ------------- [URL=http://imageshack.us]
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Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 09-May-2005 at 02:38
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so your conclusion is ??? those fighters in my opinion would turn the
tide for Turkey but i couldn't possibly see Greece winning the war as
it would be nearly impossible for them reaching Ankara in any scenario
favoring the Greeks.
------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: esadbodur
Date Posted: 09-May-2005 at 06:12
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turkey can sink greek with the pee of 70 million also turkish republics in asia can help it is funny to argue this we must think about US turkey war |
Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 09-May-2005 at 10:03
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Look at it objectively please.greece is also very powerfu in aaircrafts ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 09-May-2005 at 11:08
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Ok, I know that it's for amusement only, but the Greek plans to counter Turkish offensives in any island (populated ones, not rocks in the sea) are based on the following assumptions: Assumption 1: We have lost aerial superiority. If Turks concentrate their aerial power only in one area, Greek airforce will withdraw and attack somewhere else (various options) to gain a bargaining card and inflict maximum damage instead of engaging in fruitless dogfights. Islands are sufficiently supplied to defent for a few days by themselves, without any reinforcements from the mainland in troops or materials. Assumption 2: inflict as many casualties at the beaches and then withdraw the army to the interior, cutting communications and destroying roads. After 5-6 days of fighting NATO and EU will interfere and the fight will stop. As long as there is some Greek army present in the island it cannot be considered as occupied. Assumption 3. Impossible for Turks to penetrate from Thrace. Instead, Greek mechanized troops, with support from air, can rappidly advance in Eastern Thrace plains and gain ground. Turkish tank forces in the area are far inferior to Greek counterparts. Gained ground in Thrace can/will be used to bargain against a possible lost island and return to the pre-war borders. Of course all these are on paper (and made public) and there're many things that can (usually will) not go as planned What is certain, is that both people will suffer and the only ones who will benefit are the arms dealers
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Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 09-May-2005 at 11:11
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What is certain, is that both people will suffer and the only ones who will benefit are the arms dealers
------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09-May-2005 at 11:58
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I think technology isnt the most important factor in winning a war. Humanity witnessed it lots of times throughout history. In such a war, which would really be an example of historical amusement, it is sure that Turkey would succeed. Population is the most important factor to me, and Turkey has a massive young population ready for any war, especially with Greece, since Greece is recognized as an external threat for Turkey. To invade Turkey is nearly impossible, like to invade Iran, since most of Anatolia is too mountainous, to reach central Anatolia and Eastern Anatolia is very hard, Turkish army is one of the most powerful and well equipped, and especially experienced armies all over the world, and military is compulsory in Turkey. Also our air forces are too powerful, but i cant say the same thing for our navy, since navy and sea wariorship have always been the weakest link in Turkic militaries. Turkey has a young, increasing population of 70 million, about 7 times of Greek population, which isnt that young and ready for a war. Also Turkish military has its war traditions and experience of thousands of years, even the words and degrees of military are the same with the system Maodun (Mete Han, a Turkic khan, who ruled Xiong Nu from 201 B.C. until 174 B.C.), Turkish military have been active with dealing with PKK and other stuff, and it is very effective on Turkey and Turkish citizens since it was another Turkic state tradition since ancient times. About technology, military spending and amount of military stuff, Turkey is again adventageous. In EU, countries usually seperate the biggest amount of national incomes for welfare and health/ education etc., but in Turkey, this is for military. And Turkish army is really well equipped and always populated, ready with the compulsry military missions. I dont even think I have to mention Serbia as a significant enemy, since they are celebrating the only important war that they won against Ottomans with the help of Russians every years as a national braveary day. And they try to prove themselves not being inferior by destroying old Ottoman bridges and castles. But I am sure that serbia would surrender after two Turkish troops arrive in Belgrad. Finally, to mention the national unity in Turkey isnt necessary at all. I wonder what would be the reaction of the Turkish population against some Greek soldiers moving to Istanbul from the Greek border, who reacted as creating a patriots army of tens of thousands of Turks in the middle street of Trabzon (Trebizond), a city with a big minority populations, against some people trying to deliver PKK supporter papers, in a couple of minutes. ------------- |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 10-May-2005 at 01:14
How are Turkish tank forces in the area far inferior than Greece??... even if they don't have the newer tanks there , they can simply be driven there. Such air support would only be available if somehow the Turkish airforce is miracously destroyed ... ------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: Phallanx
Date Posted: 10-May-2005 at 08:40
Well, the Leo 2, Leo 1, Marders, BMP-1, Leonidas,the Apache and the artilery are far superior to anything Turkey has deployed on the other side of Evros river ready to attack. Add the Hellinic SAM-barrier and Evros can't be penetrated by air either. Add that, France and Hellas have agreed that Athens would be provided access with the Helios-2 satellite. So everything is "visible" (if you get what I mean) If you add to the above, the fact that there is only 1 route towards Trace and then Thessaloniki, it makes the passage from Evros very difficult if not impossible. I've heard all about our equipment, population..... NO ONE mentioned the Kurds (which are the major reason you have a high budget), Armenians and why not? Iran. What happens when you attack and have these guys bringing up hell behind you??? Someone said "my enemy's enemy is indeed my friend and ally" ------------- To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent. |
Posted By: Perseas
Date Posted: 10-May-2005 at 08:56
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So true!! i read about the Helios-2 satelite and looks like an important factor for Greek military. http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2005/may/05_10_4.html - http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2005/may/05_10_4.html |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10-May-2005 at 12:20
And we have the satellite Turksat... ------------- |
Posted By: Kenaney
Date Posted: 10-May-2005 at 13:49
Soon another will be there ------------- OUT OF LIMIT |
)Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 10-May-2005 at 18:31
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im not involving Armenia, Iran, Kurds or anyone else in this historical
amusement forum. you keep bringing up other nations . this is just
serbia+Grece vs Turkey
------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: Phallanx
Date Posted: 11-May-2005 at 11:35
True you do have "Turksat" but what you obviously didn't mention is the major difference, "Helios-2" is a military satellite while "Tursat" is a communication satellite. If any satellite could do the "dirty work" I would have mentioned our "Hellas Sat" but as I said these are communications satellites not military, which makes them useless in any war. vulkan02 What do you mean I keep bringing them up?? I only mentioned them once. Why get the Serbs involved when they obviously couldn't care less about Turkey since it's miles away and not mention those that would get into it, like the neighbours??? ------------- To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent. |
Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 11-May-2005 at 13:31
Some points are wrong.How do you know they will go to heaven? Technology is the ONLY factor here.A bomb successful enough can destroy millions while a soldier can only kill 60(oen fire)with all supplies made TECHNO RULES!!!! ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 11-May-2005 at 13:35
Yes.Turkey's airforce is greater in numbers and technology(not that much in techno though) And the greek troops cannot advance,we have so many troops there and our tanks at that border are not old ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: Phallanx
Date Posted: 11-May-2005 at 15:37
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Forgot to mention that TurkSat 1B (it's proper name) is literally "out of order" and has to be replaced by 2007. "TUBITAK" (technology institute of Turkey) has added in the new plans for the satellite that will replace TurkSat 1B to have the ability of military use. ------------- To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12-May-2005 at 12:04
I didnt say "they will go to Heaven". Only God knows this. I said "because they believe if they die as 'shehit"s they would go to heaven". Please read my post carefully. Technology is certainly not the only or the most important point. No country can use nucleer missles in such a war, and Greece or Serbia dont have such bombs. But Turkey somehow has (some in Incirlik Base, Adana) and these missles are military bribes from USA. And we saw that even the technology of US isnt able to beat some guerillas in the forests of Vietnam. So the clue isnt technology, it is braveary and guerilla warfare. In such a war btw Greece+Serbia and Turkey, if some Greek troops can somehow get into inner Aegean and Taurus, they would be totally destroyed by the armed locals, Yoruks etc. in the mountainous area if the army was late to arrive there. ------------- |
Posted By: Phallanx
Date Posted: 12-May-2005 at 14:40
I think you are refering to the US base in Adana but that has been disarmed since 1962 or maybe the NATO missiles that were transfered to Turkey for the NATO "summit last June but once again those are long gone. In any case there is not 1 source to support that Turkey has nuclear arms. NATO missiles in Turkey probably yes, but that doesn't make them your's to use. I think we need to clear who will be doing the invading??? The way I see it whoever invades is the one to lose. ------------- To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent. |
Posted By: baracuda
Date Posted: 13-May-2005 at 06:10
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Actually the the possible results of a Greece attacking Turkey scenario, was answered by NATO at the end of the 80's, maybe in the 90's there should be a document some where as NATO is all about documents, I read the proposed doctirines from the greek side, although I can not say that the answer is very respectful to the greeks so I wont write it here.
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Posted By: MegaloIdea
Date Posted: 13-May-2005 at 07:33
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hehehehehehehheheheeh OUR BRAVE SOLDIES WILL NEVR DIES AND WE WILL DRIVE YOU BACK WHEREZ YOU COMES FROM ------------- Drive them back to asia! |
Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 13-May-2005 at 10:04
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hehehehe a diffrent approach ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-May-2005 at 14:16
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...Posted By: MegaloIdea
Date Posted: 13-May-2005 at 15:22
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anuzer facist i see,listen i says i,yo facist will no survive!we wll drive yo back!tanks iz nothink,we have our ancestors curce upon yo ------------- Drive them back to asia! |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 13-May-2005 at 18:16
great article! ------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 13-May-2005 at 18:27
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it is clear without having to look too much into stratergy that Turkey
cannot possibly lose this type of scenario...the question its wether
Greece and Serbia can hold back the Turkish juggernaut.... for more
than 2 weeks that is
------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: baracuda
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 00:37
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Thanks.. ------------- |
Posted By: strategos
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 01:58
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Armies are fueled by a strong economy, and since turkeys economy is shakey to say the least, they could not hold a long successful war against most of Europe. ------------- http://theforgotten.org/intro.html |
Posted By: baracuda
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 02:18
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Strategos.. War is not about money nor is it about economy, its about alliances, fuel, resources and manpower...
Europe scenario brings with it Allies most of the arabic and islamic nations.. and with a strategic war alliances with Russia, China, Kazakistan, Kirgizistan need I say more?? Ps. yep the scenario is scary, but never-the-less feasable. Pss. Turkish Forces are in no way tied with the economy of the country, they might be limited on what they are to buy, but thats all their limitations.. ------------- |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 02:57
they ordered these from the US??.... you involving EU etc... but lets just keep it between the three mentioned nations... Turkey would not attack Greece, especially when its aching to get into EU this wouldn't make sense at all ... i also agree with the economy issue..... war does not entirely depend on it... in fact in many cases war HELPS the economy because it creates jobs. Look at what happened in the US during the Great Depression... they tried all sorts of programs to get rid of unemployment but none worked... as soon as US got involved in WW2 most of unemployed people found jobs in military manufacturing. ------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: baracuda
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 03:53
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Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 09:16
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yeah but then if they attacked how would they expect to get into the EU.... by attacking a member of EU
------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: baracuda
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 10:53
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ok ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 10:59
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hi
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Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 13:29
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i do agree with you that Turkey MAY do better by not joining the EU but the point here is that the Turkish government is obsessed by the idea of joining the EU. Their GDP per capita is a lousy 2490 (lonelyplanet.com) however CIA country study says its 7400. Average is about 5000 bucks per person if we consider both to be erroneous. Thats pretty lousy for a country that has been following a fairly democratic system ever since Ataturk changed things. ------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 14:34
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true
------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: tzar
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 16:59
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BTW do you know that Bulgaria and Turkey were almost in a war? I think it was 1989
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Posted By: baracuda
Date Posted: 14-May-2005 at 18:50
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Posted By: tzar
Date Posted: 15-May-2005 at 09:18
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That's right. But Turkish government thought that we wouldn't dare to do it. ------------- Everybody listen only this which understands. |
Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 15-May-2005 at 13:48
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try it now ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: MegaloIdea
Date Posted: 15-May-2005 at 13:54
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why not?You massackredden evry sngle one in bulgraia,they repopulated in 600 yars,how sez you det it is nut ther right? ------------- Drive them back to asia! |
Posted By: baracuda
Date Posted: 15-May-2005 at 15:23
So how's life in congo? want a banana? you destroyed enough monkeys yet? and by the way nice IP number you have..  ------------- |
Posted By: tzar
Date Posted: 15-May-2005 at 15:30
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he he why not? ------------- Everybody listen only this which understands. |
Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 16-May-2005 at 04:04
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that'S what i suggest,try it...... ------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: tzar
Date Posted: 18-May-2005 at 13:46
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Ok. After we did it once, we will do it again ------------- Everybody listen only this which understands. |
Posted By: Ionian
Date Posted: 24-May-2005 at 20:38
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HEY .. WHY U DONT GO TO PLAY SOME WAR S VIDEOGAME?
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Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 31-May-2005 at 15:27
LOL - they must be REALLY old by now... ------------- CARRY NOTHING |
Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 31-May-2005 at 15:31
well, they think that a "yurus", or whatever they call it, would still work Look what happened to those poor americans, when they tried to do the same in Iraq... they are still there, trying to realise what really went wrong ------------- CARRY NOTHING |
Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 31-May-2005 at 15:49
The sanest proposal so far, y'all little warmongers ------------- CARRY NOTHING |
Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 31-May-2005 at 15:51
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And by the way, just to get in everyone's nose: MOLON LAVE meaning: "Come and get it" ------------- CARRY NOTHING |
Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 05:40
------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 06:03
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True, true... For a "smaller", you've got much more brains than others in here. ------------- CARRY NOTHING |
Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 11:22
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------------- "I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!" |
Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 02-Jun-2005 at 16:39
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Man what a topic...... ------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 02-Jun-2005 at 20:10
Agreed - as if there would really be a war. Better play it out in some strategy MMORPG game... ------------- CARRY NOTHING |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 02-Jun-2005 at 20:46
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ehhh what can i say im always good at starting these kinda topics
------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 02-Jun-2005 at 21:08
And apparently I am always good at finishing them - it looks like I have already "frozen" 3 of them ------------- CARRY NOTHING |
Posted By: Jagatai Khan
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2005 at 06:40
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the war's name shoul have been: "Greece+Serbia vs Turkey+Bosnia-Herzigovina"
I don't say this because of I'm a Turk,but Turkish side would surely win.
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Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2005 at 07:05
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I say that it should be: "Greece+Serbia+Turkey+Bosnia-Herzigovina vs The Klingon Empire" ------------- CARRY NOTHING |
Posted By: Murtaza
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2005 at 07:12
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you mean russia?
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Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2005 at 07:25
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Well, if russians are tall, with long hair, bony foreheads and bad teeth, then perhaps...
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Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2005 at 15:54
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If we were to fight the Klingons, would Turks and Greeks get along for that purpose? I would hope to think so. ------------- |
Posted By: Murtaza
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2005 at 17:52
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Klingon are cool! I am not sure who I have to help
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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2005 at 18:00
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How about Russia+USA+Greece+serbia against Turkey and 100,000 Klingons and 24th c. technology
I found this image under yahoo images by typing in Klingons. I came up with some interesting pictures of Klingon women that I could not post here. lol 
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Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2005 at 19:20
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Well, Klingons look a bit Turkish, don't they? Ok, ok, don't hit me all at the same time.... ------------- CARRY NOTHING |
Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2005 at 19:23
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Seko: You will be amazed what humaniy is able to achieve under such amounts of pressure. The problem is that, usually, however heroic you may be, there will always be the possibility of treason by someone that you would trust under normal circumstances. History has repeated this story many many times already... ------------- CARRY NOTHING |
Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2005 at 19:25
Why not? I am sure that they will be much more interesting than the Miss Universe candidate "barbies"... ------------- CARRY NOTHING |
Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2005 at 19:26
You sound like a Ferengi... FYI: What is a Ferengi: Here they are...  ------------- CARRY NOTHING |
Posted By: Alexander of Macedon
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2005 at 21:48
Yes it's possible ,and let me refrefsh your memmory in 1903 in Macedonian Ilinden Uprising you FOPOGians were allies with the Turks.So why not and we. -------------
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Posted By: baracuda
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2005 at 00:58
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Maybe the turks should ally with the Borg.. resistance is futile, you will be assimilated and added to our collective.. resistance is futile
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Posted By: Murtaza
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2005 at 02:28
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well Yes, But I am sure this guy have minimum 80% greek gens. |
Posted By: Menippos
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2005 at 04:11
Well, let me see - hard head, healthy hair, rough humour, an affection to tradition, he would die for the empire - yup, some of him is definitely Greek ------------- CARRY NOTHING |
Posted By: Murtaza
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2005 at 19:17
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And Handsome face, Well maybe he have 100% greek gen
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