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Forum Name: De Re Militari: The Society for Medieval Military History
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Topic: Superguns
Posted By: Nick1986
Subject: Superguns
Date Posted: 15-Sep-2012 at 21:09

The great Turkish bombard was just one of several medieval superguns designed to smash fortifications. Above is Mons Meg, a gift to James II from the French king. This naval gun was installed in James' flagship Great Michael and was later used at the siege of Threave Castle, firing massive stone balls at the king's enemies. It was still used for ceremonial occasions in the 1680s, firing salutes at the coronation of James VII

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2012 at 19:34

England's answer to the Scottish and Turkish superguns: Queen Elizabeth's Pocket Pistol, a 5 inch caliber basilisk with a range of over 2000 yards


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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2012 at 20:39

Dulle Griet or "Mad Greta," Belgium's supergun. Originally used by the town of Ghent, she was captured by the defenders of Oudenarde in 1452 and not returned until 1578


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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 18-Sep-2012 at 19:20

Pumhart von Steyr is the largest caliber bombard of the Middle Ages, capable of firing 700kg stone balls  600 metres


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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 19-Sep-2012 at 20:00
The last time Mons Meg was fired, her barrel split. The Scots blamed it on sabotage by the English gunner and predicted disaster during the reign of James II

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 20-Sep-2012 at 19:44

Russia's Tsar Cannon, still guarding the Kremlin 500 years after it was cast. Its cannonballs were deliberately made too big to fit the bore as part of the friendly rivalry between Moscow and St Petersburg


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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 21-Sep-2012 at 20:50
Tsar Pushka was never used in a war, but scorch marks within the barrel suggest it was fired at least once, probably at the proof-house or for a ceremony

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 22-Sep-2012 at 21:16

Faule Mette - the largest cannon in Germay until it was melted down to make several field guns in 1787

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 23-Sep-2012 at 19:25
http://www.kreml.ru/en/kremlin/tsar_gun/%20 - http://www.kreml.ru/en/kremlin/tsar_gun/

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 24-Sep-2012 at 19:27
Frederick IV used Faule Grete to force an unruly rebel called Bismarck to submit
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MDMFAAAAQAAJ&lpg=PA42&ots=Il-47URJZu&dq=faule%20grete%20cannon&pg=PA42#v=onepage&q&f=false - http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MDMFAAAAQAAJ&lpg=PA42&ots=Il-47URJZu&dq=faule%20grete%20cannon&pg=PA42#v=onepage&q&f=false


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Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 24-Sep-2012 at 19:47
Considering the generally terrible condition of roads and battlefields of the period, the entire "supergun" concept was actually a waste of valuable resources, a tenet which remains true til this present day.

They just aren't worth the money and the effort.

"Superguns" of old were prestige weapons in a constant game of "mine's bigger than your's".


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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 29-Sep-2012 at 19:46
True, but when they were deployed, superguns could be devastating. 400 years after breaching the walls of Constaninople the Dardanelles Gun was used to shoot at British warships. It needed a crew of about 50 to load and aim it.
http://civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com/11454/the-first-super-weapon - http://civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com/11454/the-first-super-weapon


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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 21-Dec-2012 at 14:04
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Roaring_Meg_mortar.JPG
Roaring Meg, a powerful mortar from the English Civil War


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Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 21-Dec-2012 at 16:00
Originally posted by Nick1986

True, but when they were deployed, superguns could be devastating. 400 years after breaching the walls of Constaninople the Dardanelles Gun was used to shoot at British warships. It needed a crew of about 50 to load and aim it.
http://civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com/11454/the-first-super-weapon - http://civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com/11454/the-first-super-weapon


And yet they disappeared faster than battleships.


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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 22-Dec-2012 at 14:21
Originally posted by Mountain Man

Originally posted by Nick1986

True, but when they were deployed, superguns could be devastating. 400 years after breaching the walls of Constaninople the Dardanelles Gun was used to shoot at British warships. It needed a crew of about 50 to load and aim it.
http://civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com/11454/the-first-super-weapon - http://civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com/11454/the-first-super-weapon


And yet they disappeared faster than battleships.

That's right. Large teams of horses and oxen were needed to move cannons of this size. These beasts would be put to better use pulling field guns that could be deployed in greater numbers


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