Philippines inscription mystery
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Topic: Philippines inscription mystery
Posted By: Nick1986
Subject: Philippines inscription mystery
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2012 at 18:21
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AFTER 50 years of enigma, the text inscribed around the shoulder of
the Calatagan pot, the Philippines' oldest cultural artifact with
pre-Hispanic writing, may have been deciphered as written in the old
Bisayan language. The Calatagan pot is considered one of the
Philippines’ most valuable cultural and anthropological artifacts. It
has been dated back to the 14th and 16th centuries. ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 14-Jun-2012 at 19:03
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Don't be so quick to dismiss this jar as an "old mug" Sharwina. The Rosetta Stone was just a lump of rock, but to an archaeologist it was treasure as it unlocked a long-dead language. It's been suggested the ancient Bisayan language of the Philippines may have been influenced by contact with the ancient Babylonians
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Posted By: macayana
Date Posted: 03-Jul-2012 at 01:32
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thanks for starting this thread, nick. i had no idea that the ancient babylonians had made contact with any part of the philippines, before this thread. |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2012 at 19:47
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It's pure speculation, but it's possible a Babylonian trader made it as far as the Philippines. Their neighbors the Phoenicians were the finest seafarers of the ancient world
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Posted By: kangarooistan
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2012 at 22:37
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thanks , I too was unaware of these pots and script , I suspect there was a lot of international trade during the bronze age that we are yet to fully identify , sadly there is very very little interest , time or money to research anything in great depth from before the '' bronze age collapse '' , with most of what we have today comes from the official greco roman empires and their interpretations of history is what colours what we understand from the ancient periods , very few people today are willing to accept the ancient Phoenicians or other so called '' eastern peoples '' , almost certainly traded with all 4 corners of the planet , during the bronze age , thankfully bit by bit the evidence is slowly emerging and one day the'' dots ''will b joined to reveal the full picture
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Posted By: okamido
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 00:15
Who suggested this?  ------------- |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 19:38
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John Masefield. He believes some Filipinos are descended from Phoenician traders http://https://sites.google.com/site/truelakandula/jewish-1 - https://sites.google.com/site/truelakandula/jewish-1 ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: lirelou
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 00:30
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If, as according to the article, the earliest form of writing in the Philippines dates to 900 AD, there is no reason to suspect Babylonians or anyone else. THe pity is that the article does not provide examples of the writing on all the artifacts cited, merely that last one. ------------- Phong trần mài một lưỡi gươm, Những loài giá áo túi cơm sá gì |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 19:15
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The alphabet probably originated in India rather than the Middle East, although "Babayin" does sound very similar to Babylon. Perhaps the Master of Meanings can tell us more?
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 23:51
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People speak and write long time ago.Why did only geometrical signs can be signs of well developed language?Caesar took cases&syllables from Demotic(expelling Afrikats out) for Latin.This language had had hand made signs in purpose:could be spread all around cause all people cared letters with themselves.Origin of Demotic signs&syllables could be older of Egypt.Somehow it looks people languages origin was similar.Sounds were combined in more complex structures.Did they learn to count first and than they try to do the same with words?And they travel also.Migrations&mixing are eternal.
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Posted By: kangarooistan
Date Posted: 24-Aug-2012 at 05:11
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I suspect that written languages evolve and borrow endlessly , and IMHO , at some stage , we will see one world wide language used by everybody , the trend in this direction seems unavoidable , and IMHO beneficial . we will also slowly get better at translating the many older texts that still remain untranslated , or the many that need reexamination as better scholars emerge , the internet has turned out to be a great tool for all those interested in ancient histories , a dream come true for me , with countless millions of free online ancient texts / books , scrolls and engravings , only a mouse click away from my favorite lounge chair and coffee cup , '' heaven '' ------------- kanga ===== |
Posted By: amature historian
Date Posted: 23-Jul-2017 at 09:56
The alphabet certainly did not originate in India. The evidence is pretty well estqblished it originated in the Middle East or African, by people speaking a Semitic language (related to Hebrew and Arabic) under Egyptian influence. Some of the characters can be shown to borrowed from ancient Egyptian writing, and the names of the letter of the aphabet correspond to Semitic words. The a variation of the names were kept in Greek alphabet, even though for Greek, unlike the Semitic languages, the names of the letters were just sounds. No reputable scholar believes the alphabet arose in India. As for the writing, it can be hard at times to date inscriptions written on stone, if you don't have the context to date the writting. Babylonians are very unlikely to have inspired the writing, but ships were known to sail from Indian to China in the late ancient/early medieval period, so it is possible a ship from India or China could have inspired some native of the Philippines to develop their own writing. One man developed an unique writing for the Cherokee Native Americans by watching the white Americans writing. Even though he was illiterate, he could grasp the idea and importance of writing, and independently came up with his own unique writing system. So we know that a single individual can develop a writing system.
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