Scandinavian race never televised WHY?
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Topic: Scandinavian race never televised WHY?
Posted By: atlantean
Subject: Scandinavian race never televised WHY?
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 14:37
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What do you make of this The site focuses mainly on the evolution of the Nordic Aryan race as the domain name suggests. At least a tribe of Africans-Negroes migrated out of North-East-Africa approximately 125,000 years ago, they moved to Scandinavia (West of present day Norway's mountain ranges - See map below:) hunting big game and trying to avoid the Neanderthals that occupied Europe at that time. Later waves of these first humans then traveled to India, Far East Asia and finally Australia certainly clinging to the coastline as they travelled. Over 80,000 years of isolation in Scandinavia they evolved to Aryans (Aryan = A pure race with blonde hair, blue eyes, light skin, towering height and big brains). There was a much warmer period during the last ice-age that started around 130,000 years ago. See http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/98apr/9804lett.htm - Link ( "The interglacial (warm period) did indeed begin 130,000 years ago" ) They were able to survive the climate in Scandinavia as the early stages of the ice-age where nowhere near as extreme as contemporary science claims: See Link: http://www.blavatsky.net/science/atlantis/emails/ice_age.htm - Blavatsky (They left Scandinavia before the ice age got to inhospitable around 45,000 years ago as skeletal evidence has proven (see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/evolution/8865349/How-early-humans-arrived-in-Torquay.html - Link ). This unique race must have evolved in Northern Europe - Scandinavia because the lack of light and icy conditions there are the only things that can explain the evolution of blonde hair, blue eyes and white skin. There is simply nowhere else where these traits could have evolved as they are so different compared to the other races, the environment to must also have been so different. The encapsulating mountain ranges in Norway stand out as a place of origin. The original migrations to India, Far East Asia & Australia most likely happened later than the first migration to Scandinavia. Never the less approximately 45,000 years ago there were five distinct pure root races on earth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_people - Indian - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid_race - Negroid – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race - Aryan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Australians - Aboriginal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid_race - Mongoloid . They had each evolved perfectly to their environment. They would have been very interbred at this point because they were descended from such a small number of people over such a long period of time (tens of thousands of years) Approximately 45,000 years ago these Aryans moved out of their habitat (Scandinavia – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway - Norway ) as the Ice-age was getting more extreme. They migrated South into Europe. There numbers grew as they found a less harsh more rewarding environment and they split up and formed small communities throughout different parts of Europe. Groups of these Aryans then migrated into central Asia. Somewhere around the middle East the Aryan race came face to face with the Indian race that had also left their habitat (Enclosed by mountain ranges - India). What this was like is any ones idea: fighting or friendship. Then the first mixing of races or sub-species occurred. A new people were formed Indo-Aryan types or Arabs, (Mostly Indian racial composition). What exact time ago these original Aryans mixed with the original Indians then moved back west I do not know exactly, not yet. These Indo-Aryan types (Arabs) numbers grew rapidly, they expanded and moved West occupying Asia and then into North Africa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs These Arabs or Indo-Aryan types in North Africa moved further Northwards up in to Spain, Italy and Greece, mixing with the Aryan tribes and groups already there which formed the basis of the original Spanish (Basque types), the Italians and the Greeks. So brown hair and brown eyes which are dominant over blonde hair and blue eyes which are recessive crept in. that why so many Europeans have these features. Of course this information is a very simplified version of events; there have been too many migrations of ethnic groups to explain briefly. This information is just to give a general idea of events. Because we (Europeans) are part Indian and Mongoloid. from website http://www.thearyanrace.com want to discuss it |
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 14:50
 White supremacists have more hair than brain. The "Aryan" website in your link is full of scaremongering and racist propaganda ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 14:52
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Well, I don't like "pure race"statements, and the word "Aryan race" had been so misused in the 20th century that brings negative implications; but other than that I find it interesting. People moved all around all the time, in all directions, their migrations are interesting to explore, as long as they are not used with political or supremacist agendas. I'd like to read the whole thing on it's link you posted so we can discuss - the link is "dead" though - to make it alive you have to first clink on the "bow" icon, the second from left to right on the top, and then post the link inside, in the window, then press OK and it will post the link alive. ------------- |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 14:57
Yuk  ! I couldn't get on the link and check it out, and posted instruction how to make it alive. ------------- |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 14:59
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The ancestors of the white man didn't "avoid neanderthals," they bred with them. That's why only the so-called "Caucasians" have red hair and are hairier than the Asians, Blacks, Aborigines and Indians ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 15:01
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There are no races, btw, the American Assossiation of Anthropology came to this conclusion in 1998: "...In the United States both scholars and the general public have been conditioned to viewing human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences. With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, however, it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them. In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred. The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species...." Can't we discuss the issue as human migrations from northern Europe toward South, without mention incendiary and misused categories like "race". "Arian Race", and "Arians"? ------------- |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 15:07
True. This for the hairiness is a nice detail, I didn't think of it as a result of breeding with Neanderthals, even though I knew about the read hair, thanks. So, the so-called "Caucasian" women can blame it on the Neaderthals for their demise of fighting with bodily hair for most of their lives   . /I usually avoid the term "Causacian" because it's very easy to derail a thread over it, so if you don't mind I'll steal your expression "so called", to avoid misusing of the term /.------------- |
Posted By: atlantean
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 16:03
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http://www.thearyanrace.com/ - http://www.thearyanrace.com/
but what i am saying is that although this website promotes the idea in a racsit way it is possible to tell the people this in a non racist way, i.e use the term scandinavian instead of aryan. Well we did breed with neanderthals after we left scandinavia, yes, but we killed most of them off! *That link is a broken one....hence not of much value. Nor do you have permisson from the owner administrator to post a link in your signature. It is also broken. Seek permission before you attempt to repost it. This remains an AE SOP to avoid spam. Failure to do so might result in negative action. Thanks for your cooperation and welcome to the forum. CV Moderator ------------- |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 18:31
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Sure we can discuss it in this way. Can you provide a more reliable link as a beginning of the discussion?I would avoid any links that have any kind of supremacist agenda /no matter what the color of the supremacy is/ , because this can derail the thread very fast, and bring about bunch of problems, from strawmen to abuse of the historical content. Thank you in advance .------------- |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 18:44
Not to mention it would be a non-negotiable violation of the COC...which I will not tolerate. Period. 6. Nationalism and the belittlement of religious groups; derogatory remarks to religious, national or ethnic groups and members, jingoism, bigotry, racism, political propaganda. (see appendix below) http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6512&FID=3&PR=3 - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6512&FID=3&PR=3 Nothing further needs be said in that regard.
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 19:08
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That website is full of inaccuracies. The Aryans came from what is now Iran and conquered India. The ancestors of the modern-day Scandinavians, the Vandals, were a Germanic tribe that originally came from Russia. Blonde hair and blue eyes are not a solely European trait: it can also be found in parts of the Middle East, including Iran and Afghanistan
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2012 at 09:38
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I have talked about the Aryan migration from Scandinavia to Iran in this thread: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27994 - this thread
If you believe Turkey is the origianl land of Turks then it can be said that Iran is also the original land of Aryans, it is a clear fact that Aryans migrated to Iran several centuries after the formation of Aryan culture. ------------- 
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2012 at 11:31
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You can take a stock Volkswagen, remove the body and replace it with a cool, streamlined racing style body. But underneath, it's still a Volkswagen.
You can take Stormfront and actually make it appear to be a legit site. The first step usually is to replace the term "white race" with "Aryan".
You can dress up many things to appear as something different, but when you lift the skirt, it's still the same.
They of course have to "alter" or in some way restructure or "wash history". However, this site seems to have skipped the "delicate" cycle and went straight to "Mangle".
 ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2012 at 19:15
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Where's Toltec when you need him? By now I'd have expected him to have ripped these racist delusions to shreds
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 29-Feb-2012 at 19:30
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The bigot's website still isn't working, but when i went on there a few days ago it was full of links to BNP articles denouncing interracial marriages, claiming all Muslims were violent pedophiles, spreading lies that blonde haired people were more intelligent, and attacking immigration. Tell me, Atlantean, if the "Aryan" Nordic whites were so superior, how come they lived in mud huts while black men built the pyramids, Semites ruled the waves, and Mediterranean people developed maths, science and philosophy?
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 29-Feb-2012 at 19:52
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They have no answer for that...only rhetoric and hatred. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: atlantean
Date Posted: 14-Mar-2012 at 15:43
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i am not saying that those descended from aryans havent built any civilisations, but what i would be hinting at is that those that have no aryan blood have not built any civilisations at all. there where bigger civilisations in asia than in europe at that time, civilisation is more than just about purity, anypeople who have aryan blood can develop civilistion but sadly those who do not, like australian aboriginies and african negroes, there are no civilisations, oh and black africans did not build the egyption civilisation they were just slaves. thanks
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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 14-Mar-2012 at 16:55
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There were plenty of Black African civilizations, staring from Nubia, Ife, Zimbabwe - and the whole North Africa was quite well developed in the Middle Ages, I can get you some links on that. The Egyptian civilization was ethnically mixed, Black Africans with whoever else. So what you are saying is not holding any water. And what is that "Aryan blood" thing? "Aryan" is usually not used in the historic literature I'm acquented with. ------------- |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 14-Mar-2012 at 17:05
Atlantean, you are getting too close to hinting at a racialist thinking which is forbidden on this forum. Consider this an informal warning. Thank you. DQ ------------- |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 14-Mar-2012 at 18:55
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Here some links on Black African kingdoms with a significant cultural achievements, one can use wiki as a starting point of a research: "...The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nok_culture - Nok Civilization is considered to be one of the most advanced ancient sub-Saharan civilizations in African history. Beginning some time around 500 BCE, it was largely concentrated in what is now Nigeria but produced some of the first sub-Saharan iron smelting and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terracotta - terracotta architecture. Mysteriously died out around 200 CE. - The first major state to rise in this region was the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ghana - Kingdom of Ghana . Centered in what is today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senegal - Senegal and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania - Mauritania , it was the first to benefit from the introduction of pack animals by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab - Arab traders. Ghana dominated the region between about 750 and 1078. Smaller states in the region at this time included http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takrur - Takrur to the west, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malinke - Malinke kingdom of Mali to the south, and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songhai_Empire - Songhai Empire centred around http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gao - Gao to the east. - When Ghana collapsed in the face of invasion from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almoravids - Almoravids , a series of brief kingdoms followed, notably that of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sosso - Sosso ; after 1235, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire - Mali Empire rose to dominate the region. Located on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_River - Niger River to the west of Ghana in what is today http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger - Niger and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali - Mali , it reached its peak in the 1350s, but had lost control of a number of vassal states by 1400. - The most powerful of these states was the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songhai_Empire - Songhai Empire , which expanded rapidly beginning with king http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonni_Ali - Sonni Ali in the 1460s. By 1500, it had risen to stretch from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroon - Cameroon to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghreb - Maghreb , the largest state in African history. It too was quite short-lived and collapsed in 1591 as a result of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco - Moroccan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket - musketry . - Far to the east, on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Chad - Lake Chad , the state of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bornu_Empire - Kanem-Bornu , founded as Kanem in the 9th century, now rose to greater preeminence in the central Sahel region. To their west, the loosely united http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_people - Hausa city-states became dominant. These two states coexisted uneasily, but were quite stable. - In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1810 - 1810 the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulani_Empire - Fulani Empire rose and conquered the Hausa, creating a more centralized state. It and Kanem-Bornu would continue to exist until the arrival of Europeans, when both states would fall and the region would be divided between http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France - France and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain - Great Britain . - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolof_Empire - - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aro_Confederacy - - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asante_Union - - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kong_Empire - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kingdoms_in_pre-colonial_Africa#cite_note-0 - - The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Buganda - Kingdom of Buganda (1300–present), home of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baganda - Baganda people of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda - Uganda - The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kongo_Kingdom - Kongo Kingdom
(1400 - 1888) was a quasi-imperial state as is evident by the number of
peoples and kingdoms that paid it tribute. If not for the large amount
of text written by the EssiKongo that repeatedly called themselves a
kingdom, they would be listed as the "Kongo Empire". - The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luba_Empire - Luba Empire (1585–1885) arose in the marshy grasslands of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upemba_Depression - Upemba Depression in what is now southern http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_Congo - Democratic Republic of Congo . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunda_Empire - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunda_Empire - - Lunda Empire (1660–1887) in what is now the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_Congo - Democratic Republic of Congo , north-eastern http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angola - Angola and northwestern http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zambia - Zambia . Its central state was in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katanga_Province - Katanga . - The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutapa_Empire - Mutapa Empire or Empire of Great Zimbabwe (1450–1629) was a medieval kingdom located between the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zambezi - Zambezi and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpopo_River - Limpopo rivers of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Africa - Southern Africa in the modern states of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe - Zimbabwe and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique - Mozambique . Remnants of the historical capitol are found in the ruins of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe - Great Zimbabwe . - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merina_Kingdom - Merina Kingdom ruled most of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar - Madagascar 1540–1897 With a map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:African-civilizations-map-pre-colonial.svg">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:African-civilizations-map-pre-colonial.svg">
Pre-colonial states http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kingdoms_in_pre-colonial_Africa - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kingdoms_in_pre-colonial_Africa  As a primary source I eagerly recommend this book "The History and Description of Africa" by Leo Africanus, available here http://www.archive.org/stream/historyanddescr01porygoog - http://www.archive.org/stream/historyanddescr01porygoog . Leo Africanus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Africanus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Africanus was a Moorish noble and diplomat who got captured by the Spanish corsairs and brought to Italy, he wrote the book there. ------------- |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 14-Mar-2012 at 19:07
I suppose you think the ancient Egyptians had blonde hair and blue eyes? The Pharaohs were almost certainly black, or at least mixed race, despite claims to the contrary by some Arab nationalists and European racists. The Chinese built an advanced civilisation yet had no "Aryan blood" as white supremacists would define it. So did Indian tribes like the Mayans, Aztecs and Inca ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 14-Mar-2012 at 19:31
Certainly under our understanding of "black" like in the US, pharaohs like  or   would be defined as "black" if they were to roam the streets of any US city. I don't like skin color definitions, but there can be no doubt that the Ancient Egyptians,/ from the Old Kingdom through the Middle Kingdom in particular/ were indigenous North Africans, whatever color and nuances of color they may have had; and North Afrian ethnicities were mixed with those coming from Nubia, that were "black" in Sub-Saharan sense. The first significant influx from Asia was with the Hyksos, in like 1650 BC. Here the fresco from Seti I tomb Syrian, Nubian, Libyan, and Egyptian.  in our modern view we would define both the Nubian and the Egyptian as "black"' obviously they were from different ethnicities, but this doesn't make the Egyptians something else than North Africans. The Egyptians for sure differencieted between a Syrian, a Lybian, a Nubian and themselves. ------------- |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 02:39
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I think atlantean means Aryan civilizations have been always superior than other civilizations, it could be because their physical and intellectual capabilities, I read somewhere that ancient Elamites called the Aryan invaders as giants, anyway they could easily conquer all ancient civilizations in the middle east and afterwards there were just some battles between them and other related people, such as Greeks and Romans. -------------
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Posted By: atlantean
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 05:01
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I'm really not trying to convince people to become racialists here, please believe me. What i am really trying to say is that this information should be televised, there was originally a blonde haired blue eyes race tens of thousands of years ago. there is no other way of explaining it. Television programs like origins of us by dr alice roberts and walking with cavemen by sir robert winston are frankly attempts at misleading the public, they leave out the real story of how we came to be. When you look at the situation that our media (state media) tells us about evolution from a higher plain it is clear that they are misinforming the people. Can you not see that the truth deserve to be televised? We are watching fake history programs probably because the truth would offend some people, the people only believe what they want to believe not what is true, the problem is with the people.
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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 07:30
I think any theory of a people tens of thousands of years ago that were meant to have been both blonde haired and blue eyed looks to be a no show. Btw Had these people existed and moved around in the way the OP suggested, in the last tens of thousands of years ago, then we would be falling over the remains of these people, that would show the traits indicated. If anyone has links showing evidence of these people's remains being in the areas indicated, then please do deposit those links here for the members to peruse at their leisure. ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 08:56
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Ah yes, the blue eyed, blond haired Master Race. Now where did I here about this before?
I just reread the initial post in this thread. There are many problems with their theory. The biggest is the time frame. They fail to take the eruption of mt. Toba into consideration. Approx. 70,000 ybp humans were reduced to less than 10,000, worldwide. It's called "the genetic bottleneck". This is science fact. Geneticists have known about this for years. This other stuff is a white bigot's fantasy.
Could there have been an unknown civilization 130,000 ybp? Certainly possible. But considering there isn't any solid evidence for such, any ideas about their genetic makeup would be pure fantasy, conjecture at best.
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Posted By: atlantean
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 10:40
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Look at how the masses of ignorant people ridiculed darwin when he said what he said, the same thing is happening now with you lot to me WAKE UP the truth is the path of the rightous 
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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 11:43
------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 11:48
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I think Europeans and Americans are shameful of their racist history, so they prefer to not talk about these things! Race and racism are two different things, like religion and religionism, the fact is that religionists, especially Islmists, have killed several more poeple and have committed much more crimes than racists, but the problem is that religion is a holy thing, so people proudly talk about it. Who are really racists? Nazis or Jews who consider themselves as the God's chosen people?!
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Posted By: atlantean
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 12:15
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okay then my lovelies, lets get into some real thinking white skin? White skin would not have evolved in the climate of Asia or even Southern Europe could it because it is to darn sunny, am i right? Arabic peoples have white skin, why would people from say Iran have substantially lighter skin than those from Africa when it is just as sunny in Iran as it is in Africa? why would evolution work that way? white skin must have evolved in a dark environment dont you think? white skin is genetically dominant over black the lack of light is is the only thing that could have turned our skin white, and where is there a lack of light SKANDINAVIA. perhaps the only way that i can prove my theory is to discredit every other theory! Arabic peoples that are not exposed to the sun all the time have white skin. why would evolution have given arabic people white skin when they were evolving there must have been lots of sunlight on there bodys?  Arab white skin from very sunny environment  african dark skin - sunny environment  SUNNY DESERT
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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 12:45
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What I see as racism is claims that a certain group of people, no matter which, is a superior to others, no matter which. The reasons why certain groups of people created a more complicated civilization that other did has nothing to do with any "superior" ability /I don't like the word "superior" to start with, it has haughty connotation to it/, it's well proven that people from different phenotypes perform in the same way in the same circimstances. To claim intellectual or other superiority due to physical looks is unscientific and racist thinking. Racialism is a variation of racism, and leads to it in a more roundabout way; both are ethically dangerous and scientifically flawed. There is no explanation why one group of people created a literary society, and the group next to them didn't /I was asking this myself many times in connection with my favorite Thracian, how lived just next to the Greeks and never created a literal society, even though they were the same as the Greeks were in terms of phenotype - this I specify especially for Atlantean/. Nevertheless, there are no "superior" and "inferior" people or cultures - all cultures, developed technologically or not, are human creations that deserve respect and interest; and this is a position I'm not going to budge from. The Australian Aboriginal culture deserves our utmost respect and research as well as any other culture that created a literally society - otherwise the Celts can be called what the Australian Aborigines were called here. In 21 century we should know better that to divide people in "superior" and implied "inferior" Darwin has nothing to do with anything - he was talking about natural selection, not about purported "superiority". The facts are that up to the, say, beginning of the Middle Ages, the most advanced literally and technologically societies were located around the Mediterranean, the Middle East, India and China - none of which phenotypes are "blond and blue eyed". Northern Europe, /where the said phenotype is most widespread/ started coming to it's own in the late Middle Ages-Renaissance period, like the last 10 centuries. Anyway, phenotypes have nothing to do with anything. I'm light-haired, blue-eyed, very-white-transparant skinned with freckles - so what? All my relatives are Mediterranean type, in Bulgaria my type is recessive. The Thracians were reported to have been blue eyed and read haired - and they never developed a literal society, never wrote about themselves, but as the Celts are a "mute" civilization. The Alans and the Scythans, and the Celts were supposed to have been blue-eyed - they were all "mute". in times when Mediterranean, - as well as Indian, and Chinese - phehotypes were writing their histories and creating what we will call the "base of the Western world". All Europe now writes with the alphabets Mediterranean phenotypes came up with, brown-eyed and olive-skinned as they were; an dthe Greek and Roman science, engineering, literature and social sciences are what the same in the Western world are based and build on. So, phenotypes have nothing to do with anything. ------------- |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 14:11
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atlantean, I have to thank you for posting the Darwin ape picture. Had you not I wouldn't have remembered how pigmentation was a part of human evolution after the loss of our ancestral ape fur. You could say then that after everyone of our ancestors became black as we evolved in Africa before migrating further a field, those becoming white again regressed back to how we were when in our less evolved ape state skin wise.
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 14:27
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It is not just about the sun, read it about the Arctic People: http://scienceline.org/2007/06/ask-dricoll-inuiteskimos/ - http://scienceline.org/2007/06/ask-dricoll-inuiteskimos/ http://scienceline.org/2007/06/ask-dricoll-inuiteskimos/ -
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 19:32
 White skin was caused by a deficiency in melanin: northern Europe was a cold, wet place. White skin can be found among Africans, but it is highly unusual as most die before they can reproduce. In Europe people afflicted with the mutation survived into adulthood and passed on their genes to the next generation. The Middle East might be hot desert now, but when humans first made it their home it was a fertile, green land of milk and honey. It provided the Romans with wheat exports, but overfarming and climate change in the Second Century AD devastated the region: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990712080500.htm - Saharan Desertification ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 20:51
When the first Homo Sapience left Africa and went on everywhere else, their color changed because they adapted to different climates; we don't know what color the first Homo Sapience were, and it doesn't really matter. AS those people moved north, in the enviroment with less sun, they didn't need the melanin for protection, so their bodies stopped producing it. White skin is not "dominant" by any standard - the Mediterranean Europeans are not exactly transparently white, and the Arabs have varied coloration - from light to quite dark. The early Homo Sapience went from what is now Ethiopia to the Arabian Pennisula, so in a way we can say that the Arabs were the second modern Homo Sapience to evolve after those in Ethiopia. So the Arabs didn't come from Scandinavia, sorry to disappoint you; nor are they "white" per se - their color are like this of the Mediterranean Europeans - olive-skinned, with variations. In fact, Northern Europe was populated quite late, comparing with everywhere else. Humans spread from the Ethiopia-Middle East toward Europe, not the other way around. The Neolithic Revolution happened in the Middle East, and spread toward Europe from there. You tell me about Neolithic civilizations in Scandinavia, that started in 7000-3000 BC, or anywhere close to that. The first fortified hilltops in Western Europe appeared in like 1100 BC, 5 t0 2 millenia later than the Middle East. If there were "cultural heroes" that spread "civilization", those where the Middle Eastern people that brought the Neolithic in Europe, not Scandinavians. Do you want some "real" studies about that, so we do some "real thinking"? "...The transition from a hunter–gatherer existence to a sedentary farming-based lifestyle has had key consequences for human groups around the world and has profoundly shaped human societies. Originating in the Near East around 11,000 y ago, an agricultural lifestyle subsequently spread across Europe during the New Stone Age (Neolithic). Whether it was mediated by incoming farmers or driven by the transmission of innovative ideas and techniques remains a subject of continuing debate in archaeology, anthropology, and human population genetics. Ancient DNA from the earliest farmers can provide a direct view of the genetic diversity of these populations in the earliest Neolithic. Here, we compare Neolithic haplogroups and their diversity to a large database of extant European and Eurasian populations. We identified Neolithic haplotypes that left clear traces in modern populations, and the data suggest a route for the migrating farmers that extends from the Near East and Anatolia into Central Europe. When compared to indigenous hunter–gatherer populations, the unique and characteristic genetic signature of the early farmers suggests a significant demographic input from the Near East during the onset of farming in Europe...." http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1000536 - http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1000536 European genetic subclades are younger than the ones in the Middle East and Central Asia http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml - http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml this site is full with maps and detailed info about every genetic group. Here it is when agriculture came to Scandinavia - after everyone else  ------------- |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 21:11
Here some pictures to show the variation of skin color among Arabs:     As you can aee, the skin color varies from light to darker olive color - this is Mediterranean type coloration, the same is in whole Southern Europe, from Spain to Greece. What can be considered "white" in the sence of "Scandinavian White" is found among the Scandinavian, Slavic, and Germanic people. The Balkans are a mix of Mediterranians and Slavs, with the strong preves of the Mediterraneans. The whole Latin America is with Spanish-Mediteranean type coloration; and the US and Canada had everything; so, white skin in "Scandinavian-sense-of-if" is not "dominant" by any standard. So, Atlantean, the reality is exactly the opposite of your theory - the Nordic people's lost the coloration whit which the early humans to Northern Europe, /whatever their original color was/; not that Scandinavians wend to Saudi Arabia and became olive-skinned on the way. ------------- |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2012 at 19:14
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Another topic on the Middle East's desertification. Great civilisations like Sumeria collapsed due in part to deforestation and overfarming. There was once a time when timber was regularly exported http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=acbWdynlU3cC&lpg=PA4&dq=desertification%20ancient%20middle%20east&pg=PA4#v=onepage&q&f=false - Causes and Progressions of Desertification ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: atlantean
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2012 at 12:36
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If we humans are to survive I personally believe we need to engineer ourselves. look at the genetic disease among our people. Literally everybody has something wrong with them genetically. I personally think humankind is going down a destructive path. The stupidest people in our society have loads of kids so they can get there benefits, the intelligent have only a few children. I was watching a program on daytime tv a while ago and this bloke has this hereditary genetic facial deformity. he was telling how bad his life had been because people taunted him, the the selfish git went on to have kids who also had the condition. I mean all he had to do was use a sperm donor for gods sake. I have aspersers syndrome and i would never reproduce using my own seed as i believe it would be selfish, you see what i am getting at humankind is seemingly destroying itself. what will the future be like? that film gattaca? i lean towards nationalist politics as i believe they will at least enforce some kind of dare i say it eugenics program. we are not evolving anymore, we are turning back into chimps
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2012 at 19:04
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I'd rather have dogs than children, but stopping people from reproducing is immoral and very close to the Nazi theory of Eugenics. Sexuality or behavioral traits like stupidity are not neccessarily hereditary: the offspring of welfare recipients can also succeed in life and end up with a well-paid job (and until last year, many have done thanks to cheap university fares and improved teaching methods).
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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2012 at 19:59
Reproduction should be a personal choice, Atlantean. What you decided as a personal decision is only ours to decide, as well is for everyone else. There is a trend like that - I had seen many women have kids so they get benefits - and this I find immoral and irresponsible; but it would be immoral to forbid anyone to reproduce, since one man cannot decide this for another. You have a heavy cross to bear, a big challenge to live with; you have my respect for fighting the fight. ------------- |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2012 at 02:28
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I am looking the isseu from climate site. In my opinion, climate is the biggest factor in the civilizations, not genetics. http://www.earthgauge.net/wp-content/CF_Climate%20and%20Civilizations.pdf - http://www.earthgauge.net/wp-content/CF_Climate%20and%20Civilizations.pdf ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2012 at 04:47
This is all subjective balderdash based on some ill conceived notion of yours in dealing with the alleged and totally discredited academically, theory of Aryanism. Bigotry is bigotry; whether you color it in terms of broad based swatches of self-rationalism or attempt to cover it in pseudo scientific terms of alleged superiority of light skinned textured ethnic groups socio-economic and cultural developement versus others with darker textures and their presumed inferiorities....all the while covertly attempting to distort the subject through the use of an evasive header in the phrase: Scandinavian race. And while I might or might not sympathize or give guidance on your alleged medical problems (as I am not qualified to do so... so I won't) they in and of themselves are not an appropriate justification for what remains the obvious. And basically are nothing more then a troll. Several of your fellow members have pointed out and admirably refuted your nonsense whether it be your concerns for generic criticisms and individual decisions that remain uniquely individual for those concerned. But what I am qualified, not only as a historian and an educator but a blogger and contributor for and on forums for nearly 20 years, to speak about is the bunk in the statements like those you use above. ''he was telling how bad his life had been because people taunted him, the the selfish git went on to have kids who also had the condition. I mean all he had to do was use a sperm donor for gods sake.'' ''we are not evolving anymore, we are turning back into chimps'' ''i lean towards nationalist politics as i believe they will at least enforce some kind of dare i say it eugenics program'' This is nothing more then what I noted above..as such you are now officially warned for being in violation of promotion and use of rudeness, nationalistic, jingoistic and bigoted commentary. Do it again and your gone. Because I can guarantee you I am not a chimp. You may appeal my action by contacting via PM... the owner administrator... Red Clay. You do not have the right to comment publically on it. Such commentary is defined as trolling and disrupting and will result in an immediate suspension or ban. Centrix Vigilis Moderator ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2012 at 07:49
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Can we lock this thread please? Atlantean, simple prejudices can lead to ordinary people doing terrible things: discriminating against minorities, starting wars and committing genocide. Should such a regime ever gain power, chances are people like you (and myself) would be sent to the gas chamber: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30619 - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30619 ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2012 at 08:10
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As noted the efforts to repudiate this bigoted nonsense were admirable. Unfortunately, it will continue...but not here and not on my watch. As such the thread no longer serves a productive and useful purpose....but what it does do is send a message. You come here to run this clap you won't be here long. Thread locked.
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