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How to reveal where old channel route was?

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Topic: How to reveal where old channel route was?
Posted By: medenaywe
Subject: How to reveal where old channel route was?
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2011 at 12:57
I have carried knowledge about Ptolemy II channel, ancestor of Suez today,since my youth!
Every four years, Ptolemy II sponsored a celebration in honor of his father, patterned after the Olympic games of Rome. He also built a canal from the Nile to the Gulf of Suez.Read more here:
http://www.phouka.com/pharaoh/pharaoh/dynasties/dyn33/02pto2.html - http://www.phouka.com/pharaoh/pharaoh/dynasties/dyn33/02pto2.html
I know that today ESA's,SMOS satellite,maps earth's  soil  and oceans collecting data for moisture and salinity!Earth's soil that was used as route for channel  has  higher concentrations of salt&moisture than surrounding.Sensitivity of satellite is drop of salt in litter water!We can see route on satellite's maps from
Egyptian delta of Nile toward Red Sea!Here you have more about SMOS mission and it's possibilities:
http://www.esa.int/esaLP/SEM9UI19Y8G_LPsmos_0.html - http://www.esa.int/esaLP/SEM9UI19Y8G_LPsmos_0.html
I hope resolution will be good enough and route will be reveal.Ancient myth will be busted!Big smile



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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 24-Nov-2011 at 15:43
We need member with connections inside Egyptian Ministry of archeology!Here you are,make my day!Smile


Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 25-Nov-2011 at 05:37
Golf of Suez maps links:
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=gulf+of+suez+map&gbv=2&oq=golf+of+suez&aq=1s&aqi=g-s10&aql=&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=1469l7023l0l10568l12l12l0l0l0l0l944l4272l0.4.5.0.1.0.2l12l0&oi=image_result_group&sa=X - http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=gulf+of+suez+map&gbv=2&oq=golf+of+suez&aq=1s&aqi=g-s10&aql=&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=1469l7023l0l10568l12l12l0l0l0l0l944l4272l0.4.5.0.1.0.2l12l0&oi=image_result_group&sa=X
and on Google Earth maps:
http://maps.google.com/ - http://maps.google.com/


Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 25-Nov-2011 at 17:17
Biggest ancient ships graveyard would be found there if they dig it.Ancient trading vessels and their origin ,also amount for economic range of trading will be reveled under sand.What do we wait for!?!Thumbs Up


Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 26-Nov-2011 at 13:57
How did they solve tide up&down problem?Today Suez has gates.They close during the tides!Those days  technology we have to explore.I will bet width of the channel:100 feet or more!Horses from both sides were used for boats maneuvering????Depth 30 to 60 feet?


Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 27-Nov-2011 at 08:54
Channels and their builders were presented before Ptolemy 2.
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/timelines/topics/canals.htm - http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/timelines/topics/canals.htm


Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 27-Nov-2011 at 09:48
Originally posted by medenaywe

Biggest ancient ships graveyard would be found there if they dig it.Ancient trading vessels and their origin ,also amount for economic range of trading will be reveled under sand.What do we wait for!?!Thumbs Up
 
 
Money!  And lots of it.  Even though most excavations are dug by hand, it's costly.  Egyptian diggers may not wear shoes etc.  but they don't come cheap.  Also, with the political upheaval going on in Egypt it's not likely this will be on the top shelf.  When last estimated, there are almost a hundred unexcavated sites that are known to be important, and they can't get to them.  There are probably a thousand more they don't know about. 


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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 27-Nov-2011 at 10:22
Maybe alternative new channel similar with Suez will pay this?But Egypt already shares one!


Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 27-Nov-2011 at 11:40
Pharos Lighthouse was international ship trading project!We know which mouth from Nile's delta was used.
Destination on Suez golf is not known for me,outlet on Red Sea.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/egypt/g/pharos.htm - http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/egypt/g/pharos.htm  


Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 28-Nov-2011 at 15:38
Here we have more about old trade paths from Ptolemy2 period:

Ptolemy Philadelphus founded, on the headland near its mouth, Myos Hormos (274 B.C.), whence the Indian wares were carried across the desert to the Nile Valley. To avoid still further the northerly head winds on the passage up the African coast, Ptolemy created the emporium of Berenice at the southern extremity of Egypt on the Red Sea, and honoured it by his mother’s name, Berenice, which this trading centre is said to have transmitted through the Italian form verenice to modern commerce in the word varnish. A caravan journey of 285 Roman miles conveyed the eastern freights through wastes and mountains to Coptos on the Nile, with regular halting stations along the track. Some of these still dot the desert, and the proposed Assuan–Berenice railway, for which a survey has been made, would revive the old trade path from Ptolemy’s harbour to the Nile Valley by a shorter cut. Railway communication seems destined, indeed, to reopen the ancient paths of Indo-European commerce. The Russian line to Bokhara represents, not too exactly, an old route from China by way of the Oxus; the long-projected Euphrates Valley Railway would be the modern counterpart of the Syrian caravan track.
The final development of the Indo-Egyptian route did not take place until three centuries after Ptolemy Philadelphus, when the pilot Hippalus discovered the monsoons, or more strictly speaking, worked out the regular passage by means of them (circ. 47 A.D.). These periodical winds blow from Africa to India for about six months, and from India to Africa during the other six. More about significances of this channel&path of trading you have here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/britishraj/Jackson6/chapter01.html - http://www.ibiblio.org/britishraj/Jackson6/chapter01.html




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