Second American Revolution
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Topic: Second American Revolution
Posted By: Nick1986
Subject: Second American Revolution
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2011 at 17:09
Four years after Obama's re-election the president repeals the 22nd Amendment and voices his intent to run for a third term. His decision to withdraw troops from the Middle East proves unpopular among Republicans who have a stake in Iraqi oil. They accuse him of appeasement, and even of being an Al Qaeda sympathiser 
Opinion is divided: half of America's population supports Obama (largely out of desire to preserve the union and prevent a second recession) but others advocate more drastic measures. The Tea Party, fearing Obama's socialist healthcare and introduction of gun licenses, form militias with the intent of overthrowing the dictator. Riots break out throughout America over gas prices. In some places these are suppressed, but elsewhere the National Guard refuses to fire on the protesters. The cities are the scene of vicious house-to-house fighting as regular troops are called in to assist the police. Obama takes on emergency powers: suspending voting, reintroducing conscription and mobilising all reservists 
Attempts to restore order backfire when the state of Texas declares independence, followed by many of its neighbors. The rebel government, based in Houston, intends to raise an army and overthrow Obama. Regular army units in Texas are forced to retreat, leaving behind their arms dumps, motor pools and airstrips. 
The rebel army is equipped with a diverse range of equipment: in some areas they have hunting camo, fanny packs and shotguns, but elsewhere they have armored cars, assault rifles and even air support from traitor National Guard units. 
Which side would you support, and who would ultimately win? ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
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Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2011 at 17:41
I guess Ron will be one of the rebel leaders  ------------- "I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood" - Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2011 at 19:17
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Given your scenario democracy as it historically is known no longer exsists in the tradition of the founding fathers. Obama has no legal right to repeal any amendments. Period.
This presumes a total collapse of the three forms of governement to include the courts and congress with only the excutive branch in dominance supported by what is not clear. It is highly doubtful the Regular Army would agree to the actions even if the executive decision making abilities were not exercised at the degree stated.
As for me personally?
They would have to come to the high and lonely lonesome. And unless they know what they are doing and prepared for a long and brutal action...I wouldn't advise it.
As to who wins? the people. The revolution would expand eventually to the point that the support base for his illegal actions collapse. He is impeached and prosecuted for the murder of just one in rebellion and he goes down into history as the 'failed' Black Savior-social Justinian that he was touted to be. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2011 at 21:41
| I'm in with CV. |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2011 at 07:20
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Things aren't quite that simple. Congress voted to give Obama temporary emergency powers similar to Lincoln during the Civil War on condition fresh elections are held either after the war or in four years' time (those who voted against him promptly resigned and joined the rebels). The regular army remains loyal to the government but many officers have defected. America is truly divided: not everyone wants a revolution and at least half the population still support Obama for ending the War on Terror, creating jobs by nationalising the corporations, and getting the US out of the recession. ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2011 at 12:44
Well that last bit just killed any semblance of reality. 
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2011 at 13:01
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Yeah, we already knew congress is revolting. ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2011 at 17:00
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This presumes a continuing democratic party held congress and as a result of the TP and the loss of his support amongst independents by the mid summer of 2011...this is highly doubtful.
Further this may not be entirely based on the collapse of democratic institutions as I don't believe the courts would allow a presidential fiat of dissolution of the the amendment. Nor do I believe the Active military would not support the constitution which is their primary sworn duty...it might very well devolve into a race war as well . As Obama's base remains heavily supported by minorities and liberals and wealthy alleged intellectual, white socialist-leftists within the body politic. Which still remain a minority amongst representation in ideology and actual practice of the same. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2011 at 19:09
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I thought such ideals were suppressed after the Civil War as the army swore to defend America's government, people and institutions. The oath of enlistment requires soldiers to obey the president and defend America against domestic, as well as foreign, enemies. Many soldiers would doubtless interpret "the people" to be the law-abiding citizens at the mercy of the Tea Party terrorists. Others may fear that the democratically-elected president would be overthrown and replaced by an unelected dictator or (in the case of minorities) that they or or their families would be expelled despite having made America their home ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2011 at 20:07
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"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962). The oath requires allegiance to the constitution first...and therein lies the key legal difference. By bearing true faith and allegiance to the same it would prohibit illegal actions by a President who had abolished an amendment which was illegal action in the first place. He himself was in violation of his oath and any order issued can be defined as illegal and non compilable.------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: tjadams
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2011 at 00:58
| I'm with CV & Fred. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2011 at 01:37
| I am for second American industrial revolution! |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2011 at 02:14
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Meden I appreciate the thought. But don't send a check to the US Treasury. It would merely be spent on some other bullshit liberal-leftist, socialist welfare agenda program by this administration. And in a large measure that contributes to the currentg state of affairs. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2011 at 13:03
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We need low cost nanotech building materials+low temperature superconducting materials technologies for world that will be better than today!By the way,control your bankers and imprison those criminals!
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2011 at 13:10
Hence the defection of many army officers who, like General Lee, put their state and personal-morals before their commanders. However, the chance of rapid promotion was a powerful incentive for those who stayed on. At the enlisted level many soldiers do resign, but they are quickly replaced by draftees, mobilised reservists and new volunteers, including Mexican, European and Asian immigrants who have been promised citizenship in return for service ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2011 at 13:43
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Lee is not necessarily a good example of devotion to the Constitution....had he.. he would have remained.
The others who support this are Arnold's and Wilkerson's at best.. Judas at worst. And the scenario now indeed has become a race war prompted by socialist Saul Alinsky types. There will be thousands if not tens of thousands of deaths. America as nation of democracy is no more. The Chinese will probably at this point support a nuc strike by the Russians to consolidate the remnants and sieze the the NA continent.
The moral is Never trust a Red or a Socialist. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2011 at 19:59
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Would the rebel militia and traitor National Guardsmen be strong enough to deal with the regular army and Marines? The guerillas in hunting camo might have an advantage if they used hit-and-run tactics but in a conventional war professional soldiers have the advantage as they have years of training (even if they're supported by green conscripts) ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2011 at 20:22
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Assuming control of major installations in the east to include munitions depots and airfields; production facilities and maint sites the regular forces would have a significant edge until more revolted.
Eventually the destruction allows the undeclared Red strike by the Russians.....to save the remaining infrastructure and production facilities and raw materials and resources.
Americans become slaves to the hidden communist-totalitarian ideology still alive and well in the Kremlin. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Pellaeon
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2011 at 10:43
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Well my tax dollars are going to Houston then ------------- |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2011 at 11:03
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I can't see China helping the US government. Under Obama Sino-American relations are very poor due to the Tibet issue. However, it's possible Russia might support him as he visited Moscow and established good relations with Medvedev. Which nations would support the Texan rebels in this war? ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2011 at 13:27
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None. They remain resource slaves to the ME oil industrial states who in turn are cowered by the threat of Islamo fascists states and their proxies who live among them and who will respond in turn to the support given them by the Reds and socialists of the PRC and Russians. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2011 at 19:50
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I'd have thought the EU or India might have supported the rebels, if only to stop the Russians and Chinese from taking over the entire resource-rich American continent. European governments have a very dangerous habit of funding insurgents which they justify by depicting the legitimate leader as a tyrant ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: shokdee
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2011 at 21:49
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Obama's decision to withdraw troops from the Middle East <---- Why would he do this? proves unpopular <----- unpopular? The majority are already calling for troop withdrawals. In the current mood this would more likely gain votes, not be a catalyst for collapse. In fact, with Obama floundering in the polls, pulling the troops is a major PR coup! The Tea Party, fearing Obama's socialist healthcare and introduction of gun licenses, form militias with the intent of overthrowing the dictator <---- big jump, now he is suddenly a "dictator"! <--- who are the Tea Party really? Why should they "fear" anything? Who is funding them? What do they want? Riots break out throughout America over gas prices <------ Hhmm, gas prices? I assume they go up? How did that happen? Also, I can't find mention of the ECONOMY. What is happening to the dollar, prices, savings, pensions, state services, and on and on. At what point does Obama start confiscating gold and silver? At what point do they shut down social networking sites, text messenging and the internet? What is the Security Council doing about the events? When do the UN - i.e not American - troops come in? When do they close the borders with Canada and Mexico? ------------- Monkey see monkey do be doobie do |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2011 at 09:28
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Obama's decision to withdraw troops from the Middle East <---- Why would he do this? proves unpopular<----- unpopular? The majority are already calling for troop withdrawals. In the current mood this would more likely gain votes, not be a catalyst for collapse. In fact, with Obama floundering in the polls, pulling the troops is a major PR coup!
Withdrawing troops may be popular among the workers, but the capitalists would oppose such actions as America is abandoning its main source of oil. Reactionaries would see it as unpatriotic: a lot of people still supported the Vietnam War despite the protests The Tea Party, fearing Obama's socialist healthcare and introduction of gun licenses, form militias with the intent of overthrowing the dictator<---- big jump, now he is suddenly a "dictator"!<--- who are the Tea Party really? Why should they "fear" anything? Who is funding them? What do they want? The Tea Party is funded by Republicans, big businesses and an unknown foreign power. Power-hungry politicians mislead their supporters into believing Obama's reforms are Stalinist, despite them being little different from those of FDR and European liberals Riots break out throughout America over gas prices<------ Hhmm, gas prices? I assume they go up? How did that happen? Also, I can't find mention of the ECONOMY. What is happening to the dollar, prices, savings, pensions, state services, and on and on.At what point does Obama start confiscating gold and silver? The economy remains precarious: unemployment and the cost of living is rising, mostly due to the Republicans hindering Obama's reforms by limiting their potency. This could easily bring about a second recession. Gas prices are higher because Obama is using American oil and has raised the tax on everything. However, he doesn't need to confiscate gold and silver yet as he has the reserves in Fort Knox to fund his New Deal-style restructuring of America At what point do they shut down social networking sites, text messenging and the internet?What is the Security Council doing about the events?When do the UN - i.e not American - troops come in?When do they close the borders with Canada and Mexico? Internet sites are shut down temporarily to prevent further rioting. The borders were closed when Texas seceded. When will the UN troops come? They won't because the UN is weak and ineffective. Although other nations are happy to fund this war as they will benefit from America's collapse, the forces of the US government and the rebels are the only combatants involved ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: shokdee
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2011 at 11:38
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Cool! What if... - the scandal around Obama's birth certificate re-surfaces with unexpected support and ferocity. Soon America experiences a Constitutional crisis. - a complex smear campaign is launched that targets Obama's past. Lurid videos of homosexual romps stun the world, as the White House declares a NATIONAL EMERGENCY. - citizens begin researching the events unfolding around them and start to see through the media manipulation. Obama is exposed as a glove puppet of his financial backers and booed out of office.( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC-EQM7YHz0 - please watch this video ) ------------- Monkey see monkey do be doobie do |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2011 at 16:06
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Those things you listed are exactly the sort of rumors the Mad Hatters would spread. It would lead to a divided America: one group (intellectuals, liberals, immigrants, trade unionists, ethnic minorities, atheists, Muslims and the middle class) would stand by Obama, and another (the wealthy, conspiracy-theorists, conservatives, and rural bible-belt inhabitants) would demand revolution. Everyone else (the workers) would be caught in the middle and used as cannon fodder by the two sides who would use propaganda to sway the sympathies of those living in the states they control ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: shokdee
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2011 at 00:22
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Nick1986 - Everyone else is used as cannon fodder Can you elaborate on this point? > Human cannon balls? ------ WHheeeeeee Hey! Where's the Neeeeet? > Stoked on amphetamines they charge with bayonets? ----- Banzai !! This is Cluster's Last Stand! > HD TV signals are used to manipulate and control their brains? Where's the remote? Why are they so fooking stoopeed? ------------- Monkey see monkey do be doobie do |
Posted By: shokdee
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2011 at 00:36
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WE INTERRUPT OUR BROADCAST WITH SOME BREAKING NEWS ===================================================================== It appears a PR stunt has
gone horrible wrong for President Obama. The President was in Pasadena this morning, opening a new
multi-million dollar blood research laboratory. "This will help us tackle
AIDS and other potentially dangerous diseases", the President said at the
opening ceremony. "It is this kind of innovative government initiative
that shows how great American technology still is." The new 281 million dollar facility at Rumsfeld's Field Hospital was sponsored with an initial grant of 280 million dollars by Monsanto as part of a joint-venture with Halliburton. The President stopped at a state-of-the-art machine that uses nano-technology to perform high-speed blood analysis. The machine can present results instantly without penetrating the skin. A tiny arm is pointed at a person's palm and the blood is analyzed with a microscopic beam that penetrates between cells. In a spontaneous gesture, and one the White House will prefer we forget, the President held out his palm to the machine for a photo opportunity. In an instant, a detailed blood analysis appeared on the computer monitor and reporters standing nearby were able to get a clear view. Once the mistake was realized the machine was instantly shut down by security staff. Journalists were rounded up and all video and photographic material was confiscated. Three journalist were detained for further questioning. There is a small problem however. The event was streamed over the internet and hundreds were watching the live broadcast. To put it another way - the information is out there - and this has the White House in a mad panic. Already rumors are flying as bits of the information appear online. The one that has caught the most traction is that Obama is suffering from a rare mental disease Hypocriticus magnanimous detectable in high dopamine and serotonin levels. Other rumors are that the blood tests indicated heavy use of alcohol, nicotine and more shocking, cocaine and even heroin. We will keep you updated as more news emerges in this dramatic story.Hilary Kirsh, Madhatter News, Pasadena ======================================== We have set up a live blog to report the unfolding events: Click HERE to share your comments ================================================================== ------------- Monkey see monkey do be doobie do |
Posted By: shokdee
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2011 at 00:47
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BREAKING NEWS: MICHELLE OBAMA DEMANDS DIVORCE FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA
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Posted By: shokdee
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2011 at 00:50
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BREAKING NEWS: THE WSJ REPORTING IT HAS ACCESS TO THE ORIGINAL DATA
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Posted By: shokdee
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2011 at 00:51
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BREAKING NEWS: THE PRESIDENT TO ADDRESS THE NATION AT 20:00
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Posted By: shokdee
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2011 at 02:04
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We can cross now to our reporter Jeremy Crutchole, outside
the Rumsfeld Field Hospital in Pasadena. Jeremy.
Lucy, I have just spoken to a senior pathologist working at the
facility behind me. We can not reveal his name for obvious reasons. He told me
that he was "shaken to his very core" when he saw the test results. He said that he has no doubt that this is a very serious crisis
for the government. Lucy.
What is the mood like over there? How are people responding?
Well, I would describe it as a scene from a
Zombie movie, everyone is walking around aimlessly, the blood drained from their
faces. Overall there is a sense of creeping unease. Lucy.
Jeremy thank you. That was Jeremy Crutchole, outside the Rumsfeld Field
Hospital in Pasadena, reporting for us live.
Stay with AWAKE TV, we will be right back with more analysis.
AWAKE TV WE REPORT YOU DECIDE ------------- Monkey see monkey do be doobie do |
Posted By: shokdee
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2011 at 02:11
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BREAKING NEWS: PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS CANCELED TONIGHT'S SCHEDULED TV APPEARANCE NO REASONS WERE GIVEN ======================================== We have set up a live blog to report the unfolding events: Click HERE to share your comments ================================================================== ------------- Monkey see monkey do be doobie do |
Posted By: shokdee
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2011 at 02:13
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BREAKING NEWS: VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS TWEETED THAT HE FULLY SUPPORTS THE PRESIDENT
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Posted By: shokdee
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2011 at 04:37
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I'm Lucy Skye and you're with AWAKE TV. In the studio we have Gerald Celente, trends-spotter extraordinaire, Professor Arnold Sniggernigger, an expert in virology who has just published a book on Hypocriticus magnanimous, and Nick 1986, spokesperson for the current-affairs think-tank All Empires Forum. Good afternoon, gentlemen, thank you for your time. Professor Sniggernigger, I believe you have brought some charts - Jah which we can look at in a moment. But if I can start with Mr 1986. The events of today have been dramatic and the situation is constantly changing, The President has faced similar situations before, the hullabaloo around his birth certificate comes to mind, but, in your analysis, what is the danger for Obama right now? Will he be able to ride out this storm? ------------- Monkey see monkey do be doobie do |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2011 at 17:59
It would make a good movie!  Nick ever think about writing the screen play for this drama?  ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: shokdee
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2011 at 23:17
I second that. I would love to read the scenes where all the workers are used as cannon fodder, I'm still having trouble imagining it. ------------- Monkey see monkey do be doobie do |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 24-Aug-2011 at 07:03
Imagine this but on a much larger scale
It would be similar to the draft of the Civil War and WW2: thousands of people would be put into uniform, given a gun and put on trains to the front. In some places it would be similar to Vietnam but elsewhere they could be fighting in trenches, desert or cities. Most would return in coffins or horribly crippled. They would quickly be replaced with other unfortunate people. When all the men have been drafted the government and rebel armies would call up women, old men and boys until one side collapses ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: shokdee
Date Posted: 24-Aug-2011 at 09:42
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 24-Aug-2011 at 09:50
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That's what your typical recruit would look after their first tour of duty. This war would go on for years although nukes wouldn't be used as both sides, aware of the longterm damage fallout can do, seek to reunify the country, not destroy it. ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 25-Aug-2011 at 20:24
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In fact, being cannon fodder doesn't sound very amusing at all. Due to the large number of raw recruits it's likely they would have obsolete guns, poor quality uniforms, no body armor, and only be issued one clip of ammo before resorting to the bayonet ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2011 at 19:10
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Will the current problems in the US eventually lead to a future civil war? Even if Obama is allowed to fix the economy there's still deep-seated divisions between liberals and conservatives over issues like abortion, immigration, capitalism, international relations and America's wars in the Middle East ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: tjadams
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2011 at 19:16
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I've seen this questioned posed before and there's always interesting responses. The very ideas the president has to 'fix' the economy could be the very linchpin that ignites the fuse. Much like the Kansas-Nebraska Act, or the Fugitive Slave Law, even the proposal to lay new train tracks across the North and not the South, led to the USCWar, maybe what happens today will explode in four years from now and the president will be the James Buchanan of the 21st century.
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 24-Nov-2011 at 19:31
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How did America come to this? FDR used the same measures to save the US from Depression over 70 years ago. If these reforms fail, America will no longer be a superpower and face rising unemployment, instability and inequality as people refuse to accept that uncontrolled capitalism is an evil that can be equally as totalitarian as fascism or Stalinism
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Posted By: tjadams
Date Posted: 24-Nov-2011 at 19:47
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I'm no FDR expert, not even close, but I do know not all his ideas were warmly hugged. Also, the mere character of people living then, as opposed to now, might be a variable. One flawed card trick in discussing history is the "If only Jefferson, Adams...Washington, Lincoln..etc..." were alive today, they could change things. Not so. The world of today is a complex quantum string theory compared to 70 years ago.
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 25-Nov-2011 at 19:26
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If these protesters get their wish and Obama is overthrown, America can kiss goodbye to its superpower status. The new leader is often as bad as his predecessor, as demonstrated by the recent wave of revolutions in the Middle East
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Posted By: tjadams
Date Posted: 25-Nov-2011 at 23:41
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I don't think the 'protesters/squatters' collectively know what they want. Their message is so convoluted & mired that depending on what news outlet feed you're watching, there's a fuzzy message. I for one would love the US stepping back & turning it its world sheriff's badge. |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 26-Nov-2011 at 19:16
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That would be in everyone's interest. The UN, not the USA, should be the world's policeman ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2012 at 21:21
 New flag of socialist America? ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2012 at 22:13
Obama is perilously close to a rebellion already. He is, according to the Secret Service, the most hated and threatened president in the history of their organization. I doubt he could keep squeezing Americans for four more years, let alone eight more, but to answer your question, the rebels would win. Why? Because Obama does not command sufficient loyalty and respect from the American military for them to follow orders to fight against fellow Americans. He doesn't have the kind of backing it would take to successfully give those orders. As for weapons, Mexico can furnish whatever the rebels need, which is everything the American military has for ground combat except tanks and aircraft. If you think collateral damage is the illlegitmate son at the family reunion in places like Afghanistan, imagine what the backlash would be if it happened in Ameirca to Americans as a result of actions by American soldiers. A civil war is not an option for Obama, nor for any American president. After all, according to the Declaration of Independence, we not only have a right but a duty to overthrow any leader who fails us or attempts to repress us. If it comes to a rebellion, the only course open for any American president is to step down for the good of the nation he swore an oath to defend. No president can make a case for placing himself above the American people and keep his seat in the White House. The president serves us; we do not serve him. ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2012 at 22:16
Not when America puts up the lion's share of the troops, the equipment, the logistics and the money. As one of my old coaches used to say: "If you want to play, you have to make the team. Then you have to earn the right to stay on it." Or, in other words, TANSTAFL -"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch." ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2012 at 04:44
Amen. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2012 at 05:27
Ah, the might of money. And here I though it was all about altruism, keepig the world safe for democracy, etc. After all America is humanity last best hope, no? I agree with Nick and TJ, btw. ------------- |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2012 at 21:46
That can't continue either. Europe, Russia and China should also pull their weight ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 11-Sep-2012 at 19:56
Is there any evidence Obama has failed as president or seeks to repress the people? Lincoln didn't step down when the South rebelled ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2012 at 08:18
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Another four years of Obama. Wonder how the reactionaries will respond? ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2012 at 10:26
You would allow an organization that operates in favor of dictators and oppressors of human rights to run your country? I wouldn't. ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2012 at 10:30
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Is there any evidence Obama has failed as president or seeks to repress the people? An overwhelming amount. ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2012 at 17:16
Right now I think most of them are in shock.
 Donald Trump, you know him, he's the guy with the Muskrat on his head, Tweeted a call for revolution. Many already feel he's revolting.With the situation we have now, economic rebuilding is paramount. I don't mean just the East Coast, the country as a whole. It's going to require a massive co operative effort to get us back on track completely.
The petty political games have to be put away.
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2012 at 08:36
The US government also favors oppressors if they act in their interest. Who supplied the Mujahideen in the 1980s, who trained Saddam's army, who armed the IRA, who supported the dictatorships in Latin America, and who continues to support the Zionist genocide of the Palestinians? If the UN were stronger and able to do their job, wars would be a thing of the past ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2012 at 10:52
Spoken like someone whose horse was last around the pole. ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 12-Nov-2012 at 08:17
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Can we see some evidence Mountainman? How are Obama's policies worse than those of his predecessors?
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 10-Dec-2012 at 07:41
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From what i've heard, my predictions over a year ago have started to come true: Texas is indeed talking about seceding and resisting the US government
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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 16-Dec-2013 at 20:30
OK, Red Clay, we are over a year later than this post of yours. And after floating a loan from the people of the USA for over one trillion dollars, do you see any significant difference? I seem to feel that things are even worse! Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 17-Dec-2013 at 20:17
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Still awaiting any type of response from any Obama supporter!
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