The Princess and the Frog
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Topic: The Princess and the Frog
Posted By: Nick1986
Subject: The Princess and the Frog
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2011 at 20:35
Although Elizabeth never married she had many suitors. One of these was Francis Duke of Anjou, younger brother of the French king. Elizabeth may have seriously considered marrying the frog, but the anticatholicism of her advisers Walsingham and Leicester resulted in the engagement ending in 1581. ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 06-Jul-2011 at 03:37
Oh well she should have saved Essex. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 12-Jul-2011 at 19:33
Elizabeth was a beauty well into her 50s despite her black teeth and smallpox scars. It's a pity she ruined her skin with lead-based makeup ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 16-Jul-2011 at 20:17
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I thought lead lined coffins kept things like new?
Her breasts and face look quite good above! But, what do I know? Laugh Please continue the posts! Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2011 at 14:29
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Lead is very dangerous: it eats into your skin and causes brain damage. One of the reasons Rome fell was because the emperors drank contaminated water (brought from outside via lead pipes) and went mad ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 03-Dec-2011 at 19:19
She deeply regretted killing him. Essex's behavior was largely her fault as she treated him like a spoilt child and allowed him to get away with things you normally wouldn't dare say to the queen ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 22-Dec-2012 at 14:24
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Puritans like John Stubbes tried to sabotage the marriage by printing propaganda slandering the Frog. Elizabeth wanted to have Stubbes beheaded, but her advisers persuaded her to show leniency, so she had Stubbes' hand chopped off instead ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 20-Mar-2013 at 19:58
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[TUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHzcc00ZXCM[/TUBE] Anjou as he appears in the 1998 Elizabeth film ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: lirelou
Date Posted: 20-Mar-2013 at 22:36
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Hmnm, he was only a quarter 'Frog" in the genetic sense. His paternal Grandmother was a Bretonne and Duchess of Britanny, a people genetically closer to the Welsh than the French. Indeed, her foreign status was touted as an obstacle to her marriage by some nobles, but it went through anyway. And his mother was Catherine Medici, as in the Italian Medicis, famous for their poisons and who gave their name to "medicine". Of course, Catherine de Medici was Queen of France by marriage. Some blame her for St. Bartholomew's night, and others insist she was trying to arrange marriages to bring about religious peace between the Protestants and Catholics. What is without a doubt is the Henry IV, who converted only to take the crown, was the most popular king France ever had, and of course the founder of the Bourbon dynasty. ------------- Phong trần mài một lưỡi gươm, Những loài giá áo túi cơm sá gì |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2013 at 11:30
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Wasn't Anjou rumored to have some rather disquieting sexual proclivities?
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2013 at 12:10
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nah...my understanding was that was his older brother the previous Duck and; later Hank the 3rd of France. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2013 at 12:18
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Apparently the fops at follywood got their fops mixed up. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2013 at 12:35
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But she must of have liked him...probably because she was older..Essex had got his ya see.. and he had some support in his pursuit of her in the English camp. The Dutch did not like him even tho he cut a deal to become their King....tho they hated the Spainards worse. He wasn't much of a soldier. Got bushwacked by the citizens of Antwerp....tsk tsk. She wrote a famous ode to him. Here is his bio from an excellent site: http://www.luminarium.org/encyclopedia/alencon.htm - http://www.luminarium.org/encyclopedia/alencon.htm ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2013 at 13:47
So the motion picture presentation of his character in Elizabeth was entirely fictitious? Hmmm...hard to believe...  ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2013 at 19:09
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Not really...the historical examination shows him to be what he was....and that did not include a bisexual or cross dresser's nature; versus his brother the first Duke and then King (as alleged by the King's contemporaries and various historians). There are sources that LIZ was enamoured with his bearing and physical appearance and courtly nature, in keeping with the non homosexual traditional feminine viewpoint.Why she rejected him is a more complicated story but from the record, it's not because she believed him a pederast or with a proclivity for homo-bi sexuality or gender disturbed behavior. It was as usual, in general, based on his religious background and the expected reaction of the masses that would have been promulgated and instigated by certain of her anti-Catholic nobles and advisers. Even though he had supported the Huguenots of France at one point. That follywood screwed it up was to be expected. Otoh it might have been deliberate. Those that support the LGBT agenda, in that industry in particular, would wish to ensure it was represented in the film even given the probable deliberate misrepresentation of the Prince-Duke. Historical accuracy thus was trumped. Nothing new. Especially from them. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2013 at 20:00
An LGBT conspiracy?  Groan... ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2013 at 20:36
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''it might have been'' ..ref the film...absolutely. Do they have an agenda?...absolutely. There is no conspiracy in the latter...speculation in the former. If Ginsburg and Hay's could support NAMBLA what makes you believe that the LGBT nexus-presence in hollywood's is incapable of deliberate promotion of their agenda in film. And it's entirely possible they did this thru misrepresentation and historical inaccuracy not merely for 'artistic license'. But for promotion and revisionism and to support general secularisation of the American condition thru their medium as well. Thinking less is naive imo. Otoh, one can also presume, if one desires, that their historic advisors and consultants were inept amateur ignoramus's or also in support of the misrepresentation. You pick....but don't hang that 'conspiracists label bullshit just quite yet.
 ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: lirelou
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2013 at 21:54
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Alexandre Dumas' historical novel of the period in question, La Reine Margot, was made into a movie in the 90's that is worth a look, even if you hate subtitles. Like all movies, its history is somewhat generalized and fictionalized (as was Dumas' novel), but I found it interesting and entertaining. Perhaps I just liked Isabelle Adjani's portrayal of a randy Margot, with hints that she enjoyed a sexual liaison with her brother Henry, the soon to be king of Poland. (And Verna Lisi as the scheming Catherine de Medici)
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 25-Mar-2013 at 20:43
You have to admit, it is quite suspicious. Frenchmen are known to cover themselves in perfume and take an unhealthy interest in fashion ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: LeopoldPhilippe
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2015 at 20:32
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Queen Elizabeth decided that she wanted to see Francis.
It was arranged that he visit England. On August 17, 1579, Francis arrived at Greenwich. The Queen found him attractive. She spoke excellent French. Thus she and Francis did not need an interpreter. |