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Solving the Carrier

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Topic: Solving the Carrier
Posted By: Pellaeon
Subject: Solving the Carrier
Date Posted: 30-Mar-2011 at 21:36
As you know, there is some issues over the Aircraft Carrier can get hot. What you have is that the Carrier is massive, and potentially an expensive bulleyes. But they are also absolutey necessary.
 
So what then is the Solution?



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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 01:02
There is no real good answer....the carrier lads tell you it's all in the CAP and surface protection angle by the support combat vessels surrounding them during ops.
 
Other's tell you it's that and better early warning systems upgrades and aloft warning....digital ties in to realtime sats etc. 
 
The sub skipper whose there..... isn't talking.
 
The end result is a combination of all and above in retrofits and tech as it becomes available. And that includes the designation of key personnel training and deployment/rotation of the same for further quals training.... scheduling retrofit and a thousand more factors.
 
Thanks


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Posted By: Pytheus
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 06:15
Since 1990 the job of the carrier has been to project power agaonst 3rd world and developing world countries, not hightly militirised 1st world ones.
 
It's  true that missile technology of the top industrial nations is so adbundant and advanced a carrier fleet would have little defence, the Chinese have new air to sea missile that travels so fast it is unstoppable by any ship defence system in the world, and powerful enough to pretty much vaporise a carrier on impact.
 
However for the forseable future there isn't going to be any conflict between major industrial nations, so the carrier will most likely have one generation left, until these super advanced missiles become everyday in the developing world.


Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 13:52
Originally posted by Pytheus

Since 1990 the job of the carrier has been to project power agaonst 3rd world and developing world countries, not hightly militirised 1st world ones.
 
It's  true that missile technology of the top industrial nations is so adbundant and advanced a carrier fleet would have little defence, the Chinese have new air to sea missile that travels so fast it is unstoppable by any ship defence system in the world, and powerful enough to pretty much vaporise a carrier on impact.
 
However for the forseable future there isn't going to be any conflict between major industrial nations, so the carrier will most likely have one generation left, until these super advanced missiles become everyday in the developing world.
 
That's good analysis and the question reference the PRC carrier missile threat is causing them to burn the mignight oil as we speak.... with only one possible defense being advocated currently, if and that's assuming they can track an incoming missile low to the surface traveling at Mach 'X'; is to flood the sky's 360 with chaff and thermal deflectors and probably track it with the auto gun system arbitrarily firing in random directions.
 
Good luck.Ouch
 
But it's also apt to state that most nations don't have that missile cap and the industrialized nations that do are still hesitant to conduct anti-carrier ops simply because of the retaliation probability as a consequence of sinking one.
 
Thanks


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Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2011 at 21:08
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

But it's also apt to state that most nations don't have that missile cap and the industrialized nations that do are still hesitant to conduct anti-carrier ops simply because of the retaliation probability as a consequence of sinking one.
 
 
 I dont think so. If one can sink one carrier, they can sink others.  Once a nation develops the ability to sink carriers (the ultimate in offensive weaponry), it is not likely to get that intimidated by other forms of retaliation.


Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 01-Apr-2011 at 04:41
well..you have a point. But ntl you sink a CBG and your asking, even if the tech is equal, for an escalation in retaliation... as your talking 10,000 plus lives and assets....nucs can fly over stuff like that. And even if not nucs....everything but the sink....that's how it would be recieved and that's what would be recommended...trust me on that one. cuz the Admirals get real crotchy over their toys.
 
thanks


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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

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