why is iran hated by neigbours??
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Topic: why is iran hated by neigbours??
Posted By: balochii
Subject: why is iran hated by neigbours??
Date Posted: 09-Oct-2010 at 21:53
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I have met several people from places like afghanistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan etc.... and for some reason they dont like Iran at all, what is the exact reason for this???? i dont think its because of political reasons, they make fun of iranian history etc... or atleast talk bad about it
i think Pakistan is the only neigbour Iran has good relations with people to people level.
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Posted By: Ince
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2010 at 07:43
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I don't know about Tajiks, but Afghans do seem to feel very nagative towards Iran. Even on Youtube their is this verbal war between Persians and Afghans. Their could be many factors as to why some of the neighbours are not fond of Iran. First could be history, the events of the past and the role Iran played in them, which is one of the reasons some Kurds have negativity towards Iran. Second it could be because Iran is mainly a Shia population. ------------- |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2010 at 10:55
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Iran, as the current country, and Iran, as an ancient country, are two different things, I think a large number of Iranians also hate the first one but it can be true that most of the peoples around Iran, dislike the second one too, there can be many reasons for it, one of the reasons could be that Persians usually considered themselves superior to them. But I always thought Tajiks really love ancient Iran, maybe the current regime of Iran has changed their view!
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Posted By: balochii
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2010 at 14:20
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^ from you tube what i gathered is that Tajiks think (current Iran) is stealing Tajik history, thats what they are talking about all the time btw what is the different between greater iran and greater persia???
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Posted By: Ince
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2010 at 15:23
Greater Iran and Greater Persia are the same thing I think. Or maybe some people call Greater Persia for only speakers of the Persian languages.
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2010 at 16:06
This is the map of Greater Persia:
 Persia couldn't be really larger than it and Persians themselves have never called other regions, even Isfahan, as Persia, but Greater Iran could be much larger than modern Iran, in fact that is the name of a large part of west and central Asia where Iranian-speaking peoples lived and still live. -------------
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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2010 at 16:58
There is a simple explanation for this: 1) nationalism (the countries you named with the exception of Afghanistan are all relatively new, they need to form their own self identity and they do this by differentiating themselves from their neighbors) 2) Soviet and British propaganda (Soviet propaganda especially has been very successful in creating hatred towards Iran in countries such as Azerbaijan) ------------- I use CAPS for emphasis, not yelling. Just don't want to have to click the bold button every time. |
Posted By: balochii
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2010 at 17:07
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^ thats true, those countries seem to love Russia for some reason Anyways i love this Tajik song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjtmcJWL8PU&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjtmcJWL8PU&feature=related
also this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfkZEHSMEhY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfkZEHSMEhY
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Posted By: balochii
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2010 at 17:10
| I was surprised that 2 millions Tajiks actually live in pakistan, They mostly live in north parts of pakistan, the border of Tajikistan is really close from there, add to that 5-6 million afghans also live in pakistan, they didn't left pakistan after the Russian invasion |
Posted By: Xorto
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2010 at 21:21
| this has nothing to do with former Iran and the Iran regime. I know some Afghans and have a kurdish friend from iran and by god what he told me makes me understand why afghans hate them. For example he told me how he saw one time like what they trated the Afghans who flet from Afghanistan because of the war in former sowiet time. They treated them like crap cause they don´t have much money. Many Azeris don´t like Iran cause Azeris are sometimes called by many Persian like "Turke Kar" what means turkish donkey and when they are in Europe they make of Iranian brothership and don´t stand to the mistakes they have done before and use to give the false everytime the regime or other countries. And also a big problem is Persians for most feel like superior to their neighbours. |
Posted By: Xorto
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2010 at 21:26
Greater Persia is a Region were all farsi speaking people live together and would more look like this video what i have found [TUBE]bZ2zvp5LmEU[/TUBE] |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2010 at 23:27
Well, its the same with Mexicans here in the States. Iran is a poor country, it cant handle the millions of Afghan refugees in the country, so backlash like this is understandable and should be expected. Why would the Afghans expect Iranians to welcome them with open arms and take care of their needs when Iranians are worried for their own survival? This sentiment towards refugee's/illegal immigrants is common throwout the world.
This term actually originated in the Ottoman Empire amongst the Ottomans to refer to the lower classes. ------------- I use CAPS for emphasis, not yelling. Just don't want to have to click the bold button every time. |
Posted By: Xorto
Date Posted: 11-Oct-2010 at 10:33
So why did you flet to another country? you are also illegal there where you are right now. And also what i try to understand why many people here outside Iran make of Iranian Brothership and things like that while they use to hate their original Farsi speaking brother from Afghanistan? If you ask me I think the Afghans are much better hearted people than Iranian Persian who in fact feel like superior to everyone else. Of course Afghans also have many bad sides but they are on average good hearted people. |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 11-Oct-2010 at 12:36
Me? I am not an illegal immigrant.
Well, I think this is a generalization. None of the Iranians I know speak of "Iranian brotherhood", they just go about their daily lives. Nationalism, a European concept, means that Iranians care about Iran and other Iranians, Afghans only care about Afghanistan and other Afghans, its simple really. Iran has no obligation to help Afghanistan, and neither does Afghanistan have to help Iran. Fact is, Iran is a poor country, and the influx of 3 million+ Afghan refugee's has created a backlash against Afghans in Iran. This is natural and happens all over the world in every country. Its not something that should be condoned, but surely you cannot be surprised that this happens.
Well, when Afghanistan allows 3 million+ refugee's to come into their nation, provides for them, even while its own people are poor and suffering, then come back and say that "Afghans are much better hearted people" than Iranians. You dont seem to understand human nature. ---------------- You seem to have this impression that Iran is some type of economic power or a developed country or something. NO. Iran is a very poor country, it has no money to sustain itself, why do you expect Iran to help Afghanistan/Afghani's? I really dont understand your logic. Nonetheless, Iran has already helped Afghanistan and Afghans tremendously. It has allowed millions of refugee's into the country over the years and provided for them. Iran has for decades supported the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan and was instrumental in the overthrow of the Taleban. ------------- I use CAPS for emphasis, not yelling. Just don't want to have to click the bold button every time. |
Posted By: balochii
Date Posted: 11-Oct-2010 at 14:56
| I am a educated baloch from pakistan and i have met a lot of iranians and afghan in my life, I have never seen them being racist to me. |
Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 11-Oct-2010 at 15:15
I agree, Xorto is make generalizations. ------------- I use CAPS for emphasis, not yelling. Just don't want to have to click the bold button every time. |
Posted By: Ince
Date Posted: 11-Oct-2010 at 15:24
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I also have not come across racists Persians from Iran as well maybe apart from some nationlists on the web. The other day I went to a Iranian restuarent here in London and after the meal had finished the waiter asked me "Did you enjoy your meal?" "JooJeh chicken" and I replied by saying "Xosh Bu" and she thought I knew farsi and I told her I was Kurdish and knew some of the similar words, the owner even came up to me and started talking to me, they were very kind, they even gave a free dessert. Their are bad and good people from all nations not just one. ------------- |
Posted By: Miller
Date Posted: 11-Oct-2010 at 19:13
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In the Middle East every group of people dislikes another and this issue used to be exploited by the more recent powers like British and Russians back when they were a power. Out the 3 main remaining groups of people, Iranians, Turks and Arabs (if Jews are included based on power that makes is 4) neither one likes the others, although some dislikes are stronger than others. It usually comes from one group feeling superior to the others, or some kind of war or genocide which considering how old the history of the middle east is can be found plenty of. Amongst these group themselves people don’t like each other either. Anatolian Turks and central Asians don’t get along because the other one don’t even look like what they think Turks should look like. With Arab northerners feel superior to southerners and some north Africans are starting to question why the even call them self Arabs. With Iranians some people in Iran act like they are the real Iranians and are superior to the rest. The good news is the people in the middle east starting to realize this attitude is one the main reasons they have stayed behind and the inter -ethnic relationships are improving. That is if the foreigners stay out of it
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Posted By: balochii
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2010 at 09:24
| ^ thats the problem, for centuries people have fought over small differences, i am not proud of my own people that much either, baloch are known to be really violent. Thank God my grandfather decided to be a peaceful man and move to a larger pakistani city for education. Its really hard to change the mindset of uneducated people. |
Posted By: Xorto
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2010 at 15:55
another middle eastern guy with his Conspiracy theories |
Oh boy of course the Persian and ottomans kissed each other asses due to "love" before the britains came. Posted By: Miller
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2010 at 18:03
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Not trying to be insulting, but do you even know what exploit means?
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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2010 at 18:40
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Xorto, do you understand the definition of generalization? You are generalizing entire groups of people based on a few examples. And what Miller said was somewhat correct. Ideas of nationalism and ethnic nationalism were introduced into the Middle East in the 20th century. For example, did you know that the term "Turk-e Khar" was actually used in the Ottoman Empire first? It was used by the Turkish elite to refer to peasant Turks. I bet you didnt know that. Furthermore, competition between the Ottoman Empire and the Persian Empire was not a Turkish vs. Persian rivalry, it was a Sunni-Shia rivalry. The Qajars of Persia were Turkic themselves. I think a lot of your assumptions are based on your ignorance of the history of the region. ------------- I use CAPS for emphasis, not yelling. Just don't want to have to click the bold button every time. |
Posted By: Ince
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2010 at 20:19
I don't know where Xorto gets the idea that the Persians at the restuarant are somehow 2 faced, they were geniunly nice people so have many other Persian I've met been, like I said before I have not come across a racist Persian in person, I've come across racists Turks and Arabs, more Turks tho and I still do not have hatred for Turks or Arabs as I have also come across more nicer Turks and Arabs then I have bad ones. From the Safavids to the Qajars they all saw themselves as Turks. even Turkish nationalists go on about how Turk they were and claim those dynasts as Turks. ------------- |
Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 23-Sep-2011 at 03:00
you have to be kidding me. Pakistan is probably the one neighbor of Iran to have the worst relations with that country. It's a wide perception in Iran that Pakistan is a junior Wahabbi partner to Saudi Arabia as well as suspicion on the Pakistani side against Iran for fueling Shia-Sunni violence in Pakistan. Many Iranians can be extremely hateful towards Pakistanis whereas you'll notice pockets of Shia minorities in Pakistan especially muhajirs who worship Iranians. With Sunnis it can range from equal respect to suspicion. There's also the issue of both sides accusing each other of fueling the Baloch militancy. In recent years Iran accused Pakistan of backing Jandullah a rebel Sunni group in Iran. And about a year back 11 Iranian soldiers were detained in Pakistan for illegally entering in pursuit of Jandullah militants. Then there's also the Afghan civil war in which both countries supported opposing sides. Iran has had problems with Turkey and the Arab states but that is mostly people to people contact. With Pakistan it's not just people to people but also political. You have a lot to learn my friend. Tajiks hate Iranians? I never heard of this. Tajiks are probably the most pro-Iranian people outside of Iran. They are possibly a Bactrian people who were Persianized. They feel very honorable to be regarded as persians. They are one of Pakistan's biggest enemies in Afghanistan let me tell you that. but if what you told me is true about Tajiks then that's news to me. ------------- http://pakhub.info"> 
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Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 23-Sep-2011 at 04:33
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İf it is real, Iran should know that it isn't alone. Turks loves conspiracy theories so some of them are thinking like you about Turkey espcieally before this goverment. or Greece has got 4 neighbours, but its relations with three of them(Macedonia, Albania, Turkey) are problematic. ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: balochii
Date Posted: 23-Sep-2011 at 12:33
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 23-Sep-2011 at 19:05
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I'm not sure. Perhaps it stems from resentment of being ruled by the Persian empire? Alternatively, the other Muslim countries may dislike the Iranians for joining the breakaway Shia sect ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Dariush-ariaramnes
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2018 at 18:22
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Firstly Afghanian people have different religion view and secondly their mentality are not going to be easily accepted in Iran. They scape from civil war and poor economy while they can go to China, Indian, Pakistan and Russia to work and live and to stop accusing and abusing Iranian history. I was talking to few people from Tajikestan and what I heard from those Tajik was that there are not any nation exist as Persian and those who speak in Persian language no matter what is their ethnic back ground they should be considered Persian. I am native ethnic Persian from city of Yazd in central Iran and I decided to make sure not get to close to Tajik people and Afghan any more as much as possible. Regarding about Iran doesnt have good relationship with our neighbour and the factors behind whether its religion or non religion I would like to add here its nothing to do with religion and in full democracy we don't like Afghan and Tajik, Arabs in our land and country We Persian have built and left for them cites like Samarkand, Bukara, Balkh, etc. We have pure Persian who living in those area but that doesnt mean that all Tajik, afghan can be considered as a group of Iranian ethnic back ground. ------------- farhad |
Posted By: Dariush-ariaramnes
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2018 at 18:34
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In any government either religious or non we will have different view on each other as west Europe have on East Europe as other part of the world You as tajik who Speak in Persian Tajik might be one of those who believe because you are speaking in Persian you are Persian ethnic back ground not Persian speaker so you feel that you must be welcomed in Iran without any restriction and this make you think we treat you cheap when we deport you back to Afghanistan and Tajikstan. I think if a man is man enough he can live and grow up in different country and wondering why Tajik and Afghan people dont go to China and Indian instead of Iran Iran is not a home for Tajik, Afghan and Arabs ------------- farhad |
Posted By: Dariush-ariaramnes
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2018 at 18:57
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Tajik they were no exist when we used to rule the central Asia and we called those area in each different Iranian empire by different name as we called in Sassanian Empire for central Asia as Khorasan mean place of Sun rise. same thing greek people called Turkey as Anatolia mean place of Sunrise. Tajik is name Turks and Arabs given to those people who used by China border and Tajik are mixed of Arabs, Afghan, Turks and they have no history as they have been dick loaded many times during history by different nation so the history of the time of Persian and other Iranian empire belong to those Persian who were born or moved to lived in Balkh, Samarkand and Bukhara etc and nothing to do with Tajik people or Afghan, even Sultan mahmmod afghan he was Turkish ethinc back ground not afghan If you look at Samanid Empire you can see their ancestor is Bahram chobin whos grandson... become the king of Samanid Empire who choose Balkh as Capital and he made Persian Deri might be to get people of those region attention as you speak in Deri Persian not Persian or many other reason. BUT Samanid Empire they were pure Persian who born in Khorasan and they were not Tajik non Afghan Let me give you other example: We all know the root of Safavid people are Kurds people not Turkish Azari but they moved to Azarbaijan mixed and get married etc. We have king of Safavid Empire also who had born in today Afghanistan but he was not Afghan as Afghanistan and Tajikestan are new born countries with civil and religious war Man is always Man and if Tajik or afghan they believed they have great history education etc they should have show it to the world to see but to not rely on History of Iran, if we go back and make back our Persian Empire again their will be history, philosopher, poetry etc but right now they just kill each other and producing terrorist ...... Tajik like Afghan are behind people and they are easy to get into extremist at any point so such mntal people never had history in life In conclusion we should not even let Tajik and Afghan even visiting Iran even as a holiday ------------- farhad |
Posted By: Hapitomis
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2018 at 11:58
Iran may be hated by some of its neighbors, but it has been a good friend to Syria...from the Hafez era to the Bashar era.
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 04-May-2018 at 16:43
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There were times when this topic could be allowed. The present political atmosphere does not allow as flame wars will go nuts.
Thread Closed ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |