Were ancient civilizations visited by aliens?
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Topic: Were ancient civilizations visited by aliens?
Posted By: PakistaniShield
Subject: Were ancient civilizations visited by aliens?
Date Posted: 24-Jul-2010 at 06:38
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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 12-Sep-2010 at 16:58
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Topic: Were ancient civilizations visited by aliens?
Yes, of course I can entertain / consider such an idea! And I can even entertain / consider, the idea that there exists, within our own Galaxy, a civilization that might be equivalent to our own, or maybe even more developed! The key is, does there exist "plausible deniablity?" "Plausible deniability actually is a legal concept. It refers to lack of evidence proving a allegation." One may allege al almost anything, but can one really prove it? Can one prove it beyond a "reasonable doubt?" The answer must be NO! While we now can consider such actions, we now know that the very act of transporting living beings or even artifical intelligence of some type, across the vastness of space, to another system containing intelligent life, is merely a notion of Science Fiction authors and readers, rather than something we can expect mankind to do within hundreds of years, or maybe even thousands! This response is from a man who has read over 2,000 SciFi books, and seen hundreds of SciFi movies, etc.! Thus there exists the desire for it to be true, and for it to have happened in the past, or continue to happen now, but I still don't have enough evidence for me to say that I really believe it happend in the past, the present, or could happen anytime in the forseable future! But, as always, I can hope that I am wrong! Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: p,c,ma
Date Posted: 21-Nov-2010 at 12:20
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Well so much for entertaining the idea.
I though am going to try and destroy the idea completely and totally.
And I'm going to start by pointing out that if Aliens were showing people how to build these things then wouldn"t they all look the same.
In point though I'm not that big of a fan of SciFi, other than star wars, and a little H.G Wells(one of the coolest and weirdest ideas ever The Time Machine). ------------- |
Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 21-Nov-2010 at 17:44
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why would they look the same? If humans make buildings in the same city each with a similar but distinct look why would buildings using alien architecture look the same? Note that the pyramids in south america look similar to those in Egypt. The most important point Mr Von Danakin made was no opponent of this theory has provided any counter evidence or even an alternate explanation. My rational thinking leads me to believe the ancient alien theory to be the most credible and logical explanation; though I believe it can be exaggerated and used as an "explanation" for many other mysteries. ------------- http://pakhub.info">
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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 21-Nov-2010 at 18:09
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Obviously you guys do not know that pyramids exist in numerous locations around the Earth! France has one, as do numerous other places such as China, Central America, Bulgaria (I think?), etc.!
Even Rome has one! I beleive there exists even a thread about this very subject somewhere upon or within the very site? But, making a quick search, I was incorrect it seems and it exists somewhere someplace upon another site I visited and posted at some time ago! But a good search of the net will produce numerous examples, etc.! ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: p,c,ma
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2010 at 16:41
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Then why haven't they came back, or showed up in any lore (no one say anything about crystal skulls). ------------- |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 29-Nov-2010 at 19:41
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"P, c, ma!", Maybe you did not undertand my last posting?"
I do not beleive an the course of historical events that any source from out-side of our Solar System, has ever left any real evidence of their place here!? ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: p,c,ma
Date Posted: 29-Nov-2010 at 20:55
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Sorry, I was talking to shield.
As to the pyramids,go figure. ------------- |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 02-May-2011 at 16:50
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These could have easily been built by the people without help from little green men. With a large number of slaves and some sort of roller (like logs) the Egyptians could have moved the stones and put them in position using ramps made of sand. A primitive crane with weights and pulleys is far more plausible than a flying saucer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/great_pyramid_01.shtml - BBC History: the Great Pyramid http://www.catchpenny.org/mmbuild.html - Mike Molyneux's experiments |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 02-May-2011 at 17:37
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Dear Nick, just as I thought my posts above would leave one to consider!
Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 02-May-2011 at 17:53
| Looks like we are in agreement Mr Hughes: archaeological evidence suggests ancient civilisations were built by humans, not aliens |
Posted By: Athena
Date Posted: 03-May-2011 at 16:17
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I have a few books by the author of Chariots of the Gods, and the evidence is darn interesting. The bible seems to describe contact with aliens and at least sighting of a landing space ship. I believe the strength of magnetic field around the earth varies and that contact with aliens is possible when the shield is weak. This like coincides with the weakening of the inner core and shifting of the north and south poles. Much evidence points to Orion and we were closer to Orion. Orion would have been visible from a window in the Great Pyramid of Giza when it was built. This pyramid could contain much information in its construction, such as the distance between the earth and the sun. Also in the hall ways could mark important dates in history. In this case it would share the idea of a New Age beginning around 2012 with the Aztec calender and the Chinese I Ching. We could of course consider the possibility that places such as Stonehenge, which are around the world, were used for calculations by ancient explorers. My imagination is much stronger than my left brain ability to remember facts that don't interest my right brain at all. Now shall we speak of Atlantis and Mu? Life was more fun when I read all these stories and was not so jaded. |
Posted By: raymond1x
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2011 at 17:46
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(Ezana's clocks) it was a note under the old sketches of an odd looking instrument. The photo was shown to me by an old friend from the German Archaeological Institute (DAI) and it is from the German expedition of 1906 to the town of Axum in Ethiopia .the story he told me goes like these .Axum was an ancient powerful kingdom and during king Ezanas time there was supposedly some kind of alien technology and the sketch is showing a miniature clock powered by some sort of energy and uses dials of unique geometry. It was used by the king and some say it all starts when the axumites start to harness the power of the arch of the covenant which sites in Aksum till now. Well I am researching it and help is welcomed |
Posted By: Karalem
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2011 at 18:09
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The stones the pyramids were built with had perfect fit. They were cut with mechanical tools that were never found among ancients nor could possibly be developed by them. Somebody must have supplied them. The Denikens guy is onto something. ------------- One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest |
Posted By: Jarns
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2011 at 19:34
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The term 'perfect fit' isn't quite accurate. I see it thrown around a lot, but here's a picture of the Great Pyramid up close: http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/51987/51987,1160952306,1/stock-photo-stones-of-the-great-pyramid-of-cheops-khufu-giza-egypt-2002576.jpg And another: http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/4094/PreviewComp/SuperStock_4094-14235.jpg Are the stones close? Absolutely. Surprisingly, even disturbingly, close? Yes. Perfect? Eh. Could I, despite what is normally claimed, slide a piece of paper between the stones? Absolutely I could, and several at that. As for why pyramids show up in several cultures across the world, that's also easy: A pyramid is one of the very basic shapes; it's less complicated than a cube, truth be told, or a sphere. |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2011 at 20:39
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And natural structures such as hills and mountains would certainly inspire one to build a pyramid rather than any other structure.
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2011 at 20:44
You don't need mechanical tools to ensure a perfect fit. The Egyptians drove wedges into the walls of the quarry, poured water into the cracks and let the rough blocks break free. They were then shaped with chisels, brought to the building site, and carefully smoothed with large pebbles, sand and water ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Michael Mckean
Date Posted: 16-Feb-2012 at 18:30
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We can never be certain but I am mystified and awed by the notion of ancient cultures being visited by extraterrestrials. The pyraminds of Giza are the features most people turn to when discussing this, they argue that such astronomical accurateness and allignment could only be measured with the aid of ET's. Furthermore, how exactly did all the stones fit and build up to form a pyramid?There are numerous other pieces of evidence which people use to support the idea, many coming from Central and South America. What about the Nazca lines? - the enormous stretches of clearings in Peru which look like run-ways and bizarre shapes and figures. Very interesting. A topic which fascinates me. ------------- The sun never sets on the British Empire |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 18-Feb-2012 at 19:29
The Nazca lines were built without the help of little green men. Ancient priests were very intelligent men with knowledge of mathematics, architecture and science. They would have gone to a high place to oversee construction and sent runners back and forth to instruct the workers where to place the stones. The lines served a religious function: processions would walk along them and leave offerings to honor the ancient gods whose goodwill was needed for the earth's continued existence ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2012 at 11:31
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We are missing large chunks of our history. Who's to say that the ancients didn't have these technologies, developed by themselves. Why is it easier to believe that "spacemen" gave us these tools, rather than the ancients developing them on their own?
About 5 years ago a group of college students, using only what the Nazca people would have had access to, built and flew a hot air balloon to a height of 200 ft, plenty high enough to view the lines.
As for the stones used in the pyramids, a little guy by the name of Ed Leedskalnin figured out how they did it, back in the 30's. Google- Coral Castle.
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2012 at 13:04
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We seldom forget that there were dark ages that affected different civilizations and caused a sort of regression in terms of literature and sciences. Best example is the dark age in Europe which would seem incomparable to Roman and Greek antiquity. There's no reason to think that technological/scientific development was linear throughout the history of mankind. Consider the case of the Antikythera clock which was thought to have been buit around 150 BCE. The technology that would enable us to built something of such intricacy would only resurface during the Renaissance period almost 16 centuries later!
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Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2012 at 13:48
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The strongest point is that it's too coincidental that the stone "gods" that ancient peoples around the world worshipped resemble beings in space suits. The folklore of people coming from the skies is also too coincidental. Alexander's accounts of shiny metal object in the sky shooting fire (probably lasers) and breaking down the gates of Phonecia or it's resemblences to modern UFO sightings caught on eye and camera but not on radar give these theories plenty of credibility. The theories are legitimate, but highly exaggerated and often used to explain unanswered questions. Take for example the Egyptian drawings. Ancient alien theoriests saw the grey alien amongst them but actually they were plants used by the ancient Egyptians for various purposes. Skeptics also have their respectable opinions but they also have to admit they cannot discredit the evidence found by ancient alien theorists. I see myself in agreement with the ancient alien theories, but I don't believe every single ancient mystery can be explained by these theories or even religious beliefs such as Jesus being sent by aliens or any of that sort. ------------- http://pakhub.info">
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2012 at 15:02
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Can you give me examples of such stone deities. I'm quite curious about what you're saying.
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Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2012 at 18:28
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A couple of many examples: http://skepticalcubefarm.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/ancient-aliens-the-visitors.jpg http://www.crystalinks.com/ufokiev434.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Ancientastronauts.jpg ------------- http://pakhub.info">
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2012 at 07:04
Strange, I'll give you that! They look almost like astronauts, especially the last relief which must be quite ancient if it's a cave drawing. ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2012 at 16:46
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They are also from all over the world, not just from one civilization in South America, giving this theory only more credibility.
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 20-Feb-2012 at 19:33
A balloon is plausible. If you throw a piece of paper on the fire it rises due to the heat. Through trial and error the Nazca could have constructed a cloth bag and heated it over the fire until it began to rise ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2012 at 17:00
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Hot air balloons don't explain those statues or those cave drawings.
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2012 at 17:32
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Amen my brother....AMEN. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2012 at 19:09
The first one looks like a mummified corpse wearing a headdress with badages covering the torso, arms and legs The second one is a tattooed man (probably a priest or shaman wearing a mask) The third one is merely two dancers with feathers in their hair ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2012 at 20:02
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Oh come on Nick, you must acknowledge that something is odd. Not saying this PROVES that aliens exist (I doubt they do) but I don't think your over-simplification fits.
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 23-Feb-2012 at 19:32
My "oversimplications" as you call them are still more plausible than little green men. Just have a look at African tribal masks and compare them to the face of the first statue. As for the last image, compare it to the head-dress of this Indian chief: ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2012 at 07:00
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They look quite different imo. The picture shows a person who has some kind of halo or round spherical object on top of his/her head. Then there some kind of pins or feathers coming out of it. That's not how I would have drawn an Indian head-dress if I was the one living in that cave, that's for sure... In the end, I think it's all subjective really but you are right, your theory is much more plausible that little green men (as I mentioned earlier, I don't believe in their existence). I'm simply saying that these pictures look strange and I can't really recognise what they are supposed to represent.
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Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 24-Feb-2012 at 21:41
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You need to check more evidence in the documentaries before jumping to conclusions. The documentaries do present convincing evidence though they later exaggerate these ideas as the ancient aliens series progress into the third and forth seasons.
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 25-Feb-2012 at 20:04
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What do the documentaries say they are? I still think they are representations of dancers or possibly shamans
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Posted By: Sidney
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 12:48
Problem solved! Ancient civilisations founded by Inuit; 
You don't need to be from outer space to wear something covering your head. The human race is a wonderfully creative and inventive species. Why can't we just give our ancestors, and the ancestors of others, the credit for their own achievements? |
Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 15:12
You need to watch them. However after season 2 they seize to make sense. ------------- http://pakhub.info">
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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 15:18
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I had never written here, so I have to state that my personal opinion that I don;t push on anyone is that we don;t need aliens to explain most of the human creations, ideas, etc. There are things we cannot explain yet, done for reasons that we don't know, but there is no reason to lump things that have explanations /masks, hats, etc/ with those we have not /like the Nasca lines/. ------------- |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 15:40
That's exactly my opinion. Just because it's a mystery doesn't mean it's bound to be aliens. ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 16:04
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You need to read and listen to the opposing points before judging what they claim. It is not that the ancient astronaut theory is simply claiming all the mysteries of ancient civilizations should be suddenly answered by aliens. Read the books, watch the documentaries and then judge their points. ------------- http://pakhub.info">
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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 18:42
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I was quite fond of Daniken when I was a teen, so I read him through and through, and I watched most of the "Ancient Aliens" on the HistoryChannel. I don't see anything conclusive, only lumping together things we cannot explain with things that have far more reasonable explanations; like, pictures that look like cosmonauts's helmets, so what does that prove? We don't know if the purported aliens visited the earth they would look like humans with helmets, so start with. I tried to read the video you posted in your first post here but it doesn't run. As for the other links, I saw what Nick saw, so I don't need to repeat the same things he said. ------------- |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2012 at 19:18
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Sidney's on to something. Hooded parkas would have been worn during the Ice Age as the ancestors of the Indians crossed the ice to America
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Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 06:51
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This definitely is no shaman. It's clearly an astronaut or at least a being in a space suit: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2009/01/ancient_astronaut.jpg
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 08:44
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Where is the location and what era is the context of the relief in sculpture dated to? What is the sculpture? Ornamental on what? Who did the work? Not enough data. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2009/01/ancient_astronaut.jpg - http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2009/01/ancient_astronaut.jpg
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Posted By: Leroy
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 10:52
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There is so much archeological evidence that the Egyptians build the pyramids. We even have names of the crews that built pyramids. The Great Pyramid, built from 2.300.000 blocks of stone, could have been build in the two decades of Khufu's reign if the builders set a block of stone in place every two minutes during a ten hour working day. Toby Wilkinson says, Calculations and practical experiments have shown that just two crews, or four thousand men, would have been sufficient to quarry, haul and set in place the two million-plus stone blocks of which [Khufu's] pyramid is built. We know that the ancient Egyptians had a liking for impressive monuments since prehistoric times. The motivations behind the pyramids are very human. They symbolized the king's divine authority and reminded the population of their duties to the state, their duty to pay taxes and support the court. The people who are convinced that aliens influenced our ancient civilizations are generally http://www.godlikeproductions.com - paranoid conspiracy theorists who never really bother to study history or understand sacred texts in their proper historical contexts. As for the existence of extraterrestrial life, I see no evidence. The potential for extraterrestrial life is not evidence however likely extraterrestrial life may be in certain scenarios. Whether we are solitary in the universe remains a philosophical question. |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 12:28
You link is dead, I cannot access it, and when I paste in on the search engine it doesn't give me anything. To make it alive you have to click on the icon with the blue globe with the green bow, paste the link inside the box, and click OK; then it will come in blue and clickable. Now, even if extraterrestials exist, what makes you think that they would look like humans in space suits like we have on Earth? What make you think that they'll need space-suits at all? ------------- |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 12:49
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Use the link in my post above. I love the idea of Et's and aliens in human space suits or others. I have no claim to understanding their purpose or God's intentions for and or regarding them...none of my business. I have seen Ufos and remain comfortably objectively skeptical...key word there being objectively. I am neither so arrogant or egotistically bent and subservient to the grant system of academia that I arbitrarily dismiss any phenom....natural or other. Nor given my penchant for accuracy in reporting..commitment to the scientific and historical method...educational and military background am I given to flights of fantasy which might fall into the labelling or characterization of one as a '' http://www.godlikeproductions.com/ - paranoid conspiracy theorists ''. Those that do... remain then... without the aforementioned objectivity (which leads the inquisitive and imaginative mind to consider other then the mainstream rejection), imo, are in the position of the following: 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 1 Corinthians 13:12King James Version (KJV) And the crowd was heard to yell: " yea verily brother..Amen".------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Sidney
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 12:54
Its from the New Cathedral of Salamanca, Spain. The official explanation is that is was added during a restoration in 1992. Recent pictures show decided decay, fitting more the idea that its a later addition that just hasn't lived up to its older companians. http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.portaldoastronomo.org%2Fcronica.php%3Fid%3D67&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=pt&tl=en - http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.portaldoastronomo.org%2Fcronica.php%3Fid%3D67&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=pt&tl=en |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 12:58
Thanks, CV. This looks suspisciously modern ... where it is, when it's dated? ------------- |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 13:09
Thank you Sidney....now if you don't mind I think I'll go peruse some nutjob wacko conspiracy theorists sites.   ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 13:13
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Thank you, Sidney
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Posted By: Leroy
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 16:39
I was replying to the aliens built the pyramids theory that got mentioned. I didn't mean to imply that you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist. I follow sites like Godlike Productions, Coast to Coast AM, Above Top Secret, Prison Planet and Infowars. Most of it does not stand up to rational analysis or historical rigor though. |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 17:16
What?! So illuminati reptilians aren't planning to have me killed this coming Monday?! hehe, yeah some of those websites, especially the one run by David Icke, cane be pretty whacky. ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 17:20
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Relax Leroy...I know what you were in reference too. Interesting that you listen to your aforementioned programs... many others do as well. This... is that objectivity that I was referring to. You are correct in that the vast majority of the phenom being reported can be explained within known scientific parameters. But the x% that can not be.. no matter how infinitesimally small (and which are generally and conviently then ignored by mainstream science in further research or investigation) still present the conundrum. For you see my friend.....if one were to presume all conspiracy theorists were wackjobs...one would then have to presume that Oswald acted alone or that I did not see what I have seen just to name two. And while Oswald might have been involved and fired a kill shot alone (doubtful) then one presumes the Hart-Schweikert or Church Committee's were delusional when they dealt with conspiracies attributed to US Intelligence activities. Or that the HSCA were similar when they dealt with political assassinations. 95% of the revelations leading to all of those august investigations were termed wacko conspiracies by the pundits of the day at one point or another. Point of fact: they are still being considered that today. Or that I, a highly qualified, experienced ground and aerial observer and military plans and operations officer (at the time). Would have been willing to sacrifice my credibility and the loss of my security clearances (and no doubt my career) by fabricating or reporting for my superiors other then what I had observed. Don't think so. As for the pyramids...I'm satisfied as well they were engineered by humans for humans and enjoyed by humans. In this we agree. But that doesn't get me off the hook for other meanings and mysteries still out there. I enjoy your posts. They are concise and offer stimulating and provocative thoughts....which is..after all why we are here. Carry on with your good works. CV
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 18:18
Looks like a modern carving of an astronaut, probably added to an old church or public building to celebrate man walking on the moon ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Leroy
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 18:23
LOL. You won't believe the discussion I had with a number of people on YouTube that claimed Brad Pitt is a shape-shifting reptile. Their evidence was a video which supposedly showed his eyes shape-shifting but it was very obviously a reflection of the studio lights. Amazing how dense these people are. |
Posted By: Leroy
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2012 at 18:27
| Centrix I agree with you, which is why I follow those websites. Sometimes you do find some interesting things that are worth knowing about. Sorry, sometimes I get a little reactionary. |
Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 06-Apr-2012 at 16:27
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That's definitely no new carving nor is it from a church. Mr Erich Von Danikin had a collection of photos of such carvings taken directly of these archeological sights. Even an individual I knew who visited a museum in Bahrain on ancient Assyrian civilization and he claimed to see an artifact of a being dressed in some sort of space suit and helmet with gas tanks. The idea that this was carved out recently or from a church to celebrate the moon landing is an outright lie. If ancient shamans dressed like this then nobody would have a problem believing these are ancient carvings but since they're not shamans or some other "explanation" they suddenly become new carvings or some church celebration. I'm not suggesting aliens explain every ancient mystery but ancient cultures definitely had no concept of building such suits or equipment or building flying metals shooting fire. All they could do was build imitations of what they saw. What they saw is the main question and subject of debate which deserves proper research. And it's much too coincidental that civilizations around the world gave the same descriptions of what they saw right up till the more recent centuries. From Alexander the Great to Christopher Columbus. ------------- http://pakhub.info">
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 06-Apr-2012 at 19:01
 And i suppose this statue of Neil Armstrong is not modern, but made by Roman colonists in the Americas in memory of the flying saucer pilot who guided them to their destination? ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 17-Jul-2012 at 15:26
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What do everyone think of the pyramids of Giza? It is said that it is exactly at the center of the Earth's land mass. You can go to Google maps, zoom out, and type in Pyramid of Giza, you can see it for yourself, this could be a coincidence. However, research shows that the pyramid is in exact alignment with the magnetic pole of the Earth, north east south west. This I do not believe to be coincidence, I seriously doubt. There could be a lot of theories to explain this of course, such as the fact that the pyramid was at the center of the Earth... the magnetic pole has an stronger effect on the geographical landmass... and the pyramid was built based upon the landmass... I could assume that it was natural, but it's very very unlikely. I could assume that the Egyptians figure out magnetic, so how do you think they can build the pyramid in exact alignment with the magnetic pole? Research also shows that the 3 pyramids is in exact alignment with the stars in the sky, I forgot the name of the stars, maybe someone will know in this thread. A lot of researchers shows that the pyramid requires extensively... technology, you can find these videos of YouTube, if now, I might post it in this forum next time. |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 17-Jul-2012 at 19:37
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Egyptian priests were very intelligent, learned men who had to align the pyramid exactly to the west so the pharaoh's spirit could be reborn. This would have been achieved using a compass (something as simple as a piece of magnetic iron dangled from a string), their extensive knowledge of astronomy, and meticulous planning in relation to existing structures
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 17-Jul-2012 at 19:51
Along those lines what credible....scientifically reviewed evidence.... less the debate reference Archaeologists and Selected Geologists....on age for these and the Sphinx.. is there to show ET did it. von Daniken's; the convicted thief.. embezzler..fraud and forger.. versions ain't cutting it. Don't even get me started on his total lack of academic credentials. Or the fact them idiots at the HC continue to let him perp his revelations even recently. ''That writing as careless as von Däniken's, whose principal thesis is that our ancestors were dummies, should be so popular is a sober commentary on the credulousness and despair of our times. But the idea that beings from elsewhere will save us from ourselves is a very dangerous doctrine - akin to that of the quack doctor whose ministrations prevent the patient from seeing a physician competent to help him and perhaps to cure his disease.'' Carl Sagan ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 17-Jul-2012 at 21:10
Have you got any references to the uses of magnet? It would be interesting to see as to how they can build (well... make others build) a huge construction so precisely, these obviously needs equipment. [TUBE]qaHONFBXV-0[/TUBE] What do you think of this? The person (don't know who he is, didn't bother to look him up, but his reasons seems reasonable) in the video who observes certain aspects of the pyramid, it's actually quite advanced, if not, the construction is quite well done, and he doesn't seems biased in anyway. He sometimes also compare certain aspects to modern techniques. |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 17-Jul-2012 at 23:14
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Believe it's Chris Dunn but don't quote me. If it is him, he has some provocative theories on machine tools and technologies that definitely do not fit the mold of harden copper traditionally viewed by the mainstream. He's also well know on the paranormal-pseudoscience lecture circuit and book sales gambits.....which while not denying the effort or the enthusiasm of the subject material; is where most of these guys end up making their living. To his credit Dunn has the background as a master toolmaker and in developing laser tech for advanced parts productions (and weapons for all I know). So he gets a nod for the education and life skills to at least look at his theorems developments and possibilities. His primary detraction is that while he is convinced that superior tool making and usage skills were in operation in the ancient age.....he does not explain how such precision in building etc... was accomplished very well if at all (that's up to his reader-viewer). Same same as to the creative design, the resources and the tech behind the actual creation of the tools. Nor does he offer an explanation as to what caused the loss of the tech in any real definitive manner...other then speculation. Consequently that then draws the Red flag of established traditional academia. Ntl...he is much more entertaining if not credibile, imo, then most.
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Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 00:44
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He have a decent conclusion at the end of the video, what do you think of it? He clearly demonstrated that the original theory of the pyramid of Giza is inaccurate, and that advanced technology is required to accomplished what have been accomplished at the pyramid of Giza. Although there are certain accomplishment of the pyramids that in modern times, might be even a bit complicated to accomplish, he did not say that the ancients must be using technology from aliens or so such. In fact, if you listen to him talk, he is very very unbiased, and his only purpose is to study the engineering, and how it could be accomplished. It's interesting to see at certain parts, it looks as if he did not believe in what he was seeing. |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 01:02
His conclusion remains provocative for the reasons I gave above. Whether he's disproved mainstream is still not accepted by mainstream...hence his conundrum. As noted; without an explanation as to the hows and whats of precision tooling and tech and production and origination of the same. Given the current available evidence...he's viewed as an interesting observer of speculation and an advancement of a theorem with little proofs other then his own speculations-opinions. No more. As for bias...yes I agree he is relatively free of it...which as I also noted gives his credentials more credibility then most. But as for whether it's accepted carte blanch, in part or not at all, remains an individual decision. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 01:59
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He have successfully shown that the Egyptians need much more advanced technology and engineering to build the pyramid of Giza, some even a bit unexplainable by modern technology, even to the extent that the entire pyramid could only be envisioned to be constructed with modern technologies, but not surpassing the original. Unfortunately, there is no archaeological evidence of extensive technological tools, therefor we cannot assume that it was purely the Egyptians who built it. If the Egyptians are to build the pyramid by themselves, then where are the remains of high-tech tools or machinery? As without those, it would be impossible to build the pyramid of Giza. Other speculations could include: Queries were discovered miles away, the heavy stones were not built on site, so why would they decide to build the pyramid further away from the Queries, exactly at the center of Earth's land mass. Surely, they can't be purposely making this work harder for themselves? |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 03:05
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Your first point again...because this is beginning to become a circular debate is ntl still based on the rejection that ''Whether he's disproved mainstream is still not accepted by mainstream...hence his conundrum.'' You believe in the validity of his argument (quite alright) not so mainstream. Hence whose expertise and credibility until further proofs, if possible come to light, will be accepted? Yours? Is your field of expertise in ancient techs of architecture, engineering and design? Classical Egyptology? To include the expertise of the language? Are you an expert in the method, using the methods, of interdisciplinary research and studies? Have you offered academically recognised new ancient tech data as a furtherment to the theorem of techs and tools (which have yet to be found)? Where if they existed are the records of the same. The ancient Egyptians were fanatics for such to include day to day minutiae. Have you been peer reviewed by fellow subject matter experts? Now understand I remain delighted with your intrepid defense.  And those questions were not a rejection of your interest or an attack on your actual credentials and or intellectual acumen. Substitute you for Dunn.And You ntl see the problem. Dunn and others have yet to offer the aforementioned. His theory is that ancient tech was better then realized....quite possibly it twas. That is a presumption however yet to be tangible proven through the definitions required by the mainstream. And whether you approve of them or not...they remain the standard. And until that's accomplished, in the eyes of mainstream Archaeology and classical Egyptology, he's merely a lecture circuit and book circuit amateur, in their eyes, with interesting possibilities. The critical point remaining is that not all are ignoring him. But you can bet my ass, as a former member of University Higher Academia and a certified Military Historian/Instructor, in uniform and out, not to mention aficionado and practitioner of the method; that until he satisfies their standards he's not winning. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 03:20
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Uhh, here we go again, "have his work gotten peer review". You don't need peer review to see that there is no evidence to suggest that the in fact, the Egyptians built the pyramids, and the idea of ancient aliens is starting to be mainstream. The fact remains, no archaeological evidence remains to tell you that the Egyptians were able to build it themselves, in fact, only evidence of primitive tools remains, which suggest that the Egyptians were just "simple" builders of something even greater. The original theory is flawed, most historians knows of this. The extremely heavy stones (one of the heaviest around the world, the stones was not built on site, but was transported), the precision with the stones (some even said to be similar to the works of laser cuttings), and the engineering of it, which in the video, he gave a conclusion in the engineering of the pyramids.  http://reinep.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/egyptian-archaeologist-admits-that-pyramids-contain-ufo-technology/ You can look it up even more. You're too into the idea that all these are unconfirmed, these don't need to be confirmed, seems like an insult to their works don't you think? |
Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 03:28
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There's one theory which I would want people who's interested to know. People who've been in the pyramids of Giza before, when they decided to light a lighter as light source, it did not work, this could be understand a bit more through the previous video I have posted. To understand this further, there are archaeological evidence of the Baghdad battery. What are the opinions on The Moai of Easter Island? |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 03:34
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As I noted you can reject the method, which includes peer review and the standards accepted, but like Dunn; you too will be rejected by mainstream......and find yourself with no recognised credibility. So keep up the good work ...spread your's and his version-revision of the Egyptian Pyramid construction gospel....nothing wrong with that.... but get used to being ignored. Because the proof is not there. And you will soon learn... revisionist history isn't worth the bucket to crap it in... without proof. Or as the man said once to the young Indiana Jones: ''You lost today kid, but it doesn't mean you have to like it". ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 03:37
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I just gave you evidence of an alien in a artwork within the confinement of the pyramids... I suppose I'll give you more evidence? |
Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 03:45
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The Moai of Easter Island How exactly do you expect these much more primitive people (more primitive then the Egyptians) are able to build such huge statues? With decent precision in the shape of the huge rocks? The more intelligent thing to do, is to speculate. The civilization located within or around the area of the marvel, does not contain any archaeological evidence of tools that enable them to build it. Have they really build it? There are no evidence at all? There are no evidence of human beings building it, except for the fact that the humans live around that area? Have you heard of the mirror writings of Leonardo Da Vinci's work? With that, certain productive people have shown that with each mirror to Leonardo's paintings, it shows another completely different thing. http://dsc.discovery.com/news/slideshows/Leonardo-mirror.html On this website, go through each slides. It shows that several paintings of Leonardo's, when mirrored, shows a being, which is not human. |
Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 03:51
 Am I suppose to believe that this was something else? And why is a person included, staring at it? If it was fiction, why this? Wouldn't it be angels and Gods instead of a disc? Now why on earth would I believe that the disc in the painting (the depictions of modern UFO) is just a decoration? |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 12:18
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It doesn't take a genius to know that a piece of magnetised iron points north when dangled from a string. These lodestones can be found naturally throughout the mediterranean and were known to the ancient Greeks
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 12:30
Already rejected by mainstream as a representation of a plant in a vase in the tomb. Which incidentally other examples of the same plant were found as well; in differing hieroglyphical representations. Your wishing it to be an ET does not make it so. And the further use of a poorly developed photo when others were available with better resolutions coupled with the lack or admission of object identification of the other examples is referred to as obfuscation in support of a predetermined hypothesis. Clearly not an objective use of the method. Similar symbols reference helicopters, submarines, jet planes, saucers etc.etc. have been demonstrated to be examples of palimpsests. Your latest has also been rejected by well known SMEs in classical and religious art and theology. So again your wishing it to be Et...remains in variance with the experts who have made a living out of studying and interpreting historical iconic representations and especially religious ones. And who have better credentials then Dunn or others. see: http://www.sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_5_eng.htm - http://www.sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_5_eng.htm and http://wn.com/chris_white_debunks_ufos_in_art#videos - http://wn.com/chris_white_debunks_ufos_in_art#videos Nope don't wash..then or now. But keep the faith.
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Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 13:55
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You only debunked one of the pictures, what about the others? I checked both websites, and it didn't give any explanation to the flying object, can you explain this further? |
Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 14:05
| Might I just add, why is your first website showing a collection of paintings with angels ion the sky? This is unrelated to the topic. |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 14:33
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Both sites clearly gave explanations. The first in dealing with explanations of arts whom others claim to have reps of ufos inclusive....which you referenced first. The other deals with the tomb and the explanation's derived by mainstream versus your poor ET picture. And failure to id other examples or report them.That you can not 'see' it... is because you are fast approaching fanaticism in your rejection of counter argumentation... your unwillingness to accept the standard academic viewpoint without offering reliable counters as judged by the standard further exemplifies this. Again you don't have to like it but it is remains the standard. And you should probably begin to understand this by examining the scientific approach and techs of people like Stan Friedman and others whose credibility far outweighs Dunn. But given time and experience and continuing education you can overcome this. And I continue to encourage your enthusiasm. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 14:39
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Did you realize this was your first post directed at me with serious perspectives and several references. I don't understand why didn't you started this a while ago? You could've just stated what you state now last night, with your several more serious references. I'll go look into it. And I have a question, I don't understand why you make up false accusations, as clearly you did not gave substantial sources a while back, now that you did, you accompany it with personal insults and false accusations. I sweat people on allempires.com are too serious and gets angry too seriously -.- |
Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 14:42
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If you're so aggressive with repeated insults I don't see any academic debates to occur between you and me in this thread, this isn't YouTube, so I probably won't troll you. Wow, some people really need to get a life. |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 14:49
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Alpha, your kicking a dead horse here. Your also mucking up the discussion by bringing UFOs into it. These ideas have been around for a long time. Some of us have had a chance to research some things fairly well. There are many unexplained things from the Ancient world. Things you haven't mentioned, such as the "Colima Flyers". Occam's Razor leads me to the conclusion that there has been at least one advanced civilization before ours, maybe more.
The Ancients perceived their world differently than we do ours. They had a deep understanding of Nature and Natural forces. They knew much about "Geo-Magnetism". Technologies utilizing these forces would not have be complex. You mention Easter Island, there legends say that the Moai were made to "walk" to their platforms by use of "Magic". Likewise the myths surrounding construction of Nan Madol about 1,000 miles from Easter Island.
Like I posted in the other thread, Aliens may be sexier than sweaty, dirty Egyptian hand laborers, but the reality is that it was the sweaty dirty guys who built the Pyramids. But they didn't do it with stone tools and copper chisels.
Google- Coral Castle. Check it out and get back to me.
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 14:51
''If you're so aggressive with repeated insults I don't see any academic debates to occur between you and me in this thread, this isn't YouTube, so I probably won't troll you. Wow, some people really need to get a life.'' ************************************************************* Utter and total patent nonsense as an objective observer of the posts can discern. Ntl...now I speak as a Moderator and not member.....but if you feel your hyperbole to be true then you need to report it to another Mod or the Admin-owner for resolution. As per the coc. Otherwize your now attempting to create a situation where none exists to whit..... a flame war. And you will not be allowed to do this. You continue along this line and you will be dealt with. Period. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 14:52
Alpha, there were no insults, or false anything. CV gave you some straight answers and some good advice.
We are serious about history, and even moreso when it comes to little things like evidence, hard facts and the truth.
You seem to be upset because we don't agree with you, many of us have degrees and advanced degrees, one of our mods is a Doctoral candidate. We all try to adhere to basic principles when it comes to historical research and consideration. You come ripping in here with an almost evangelical fervor, spouting all kinds of fringe theory stuff, then get upset when we don't accept it as you do. I can only say, oh well, and suggest you try a forum that deals with subjects like this. Just look for the little old lady who talks to the folks who live in the center of the earth.
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Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 14:53
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You again? f**k your stupid shit, I'm deleting my account, or you could ban me first. What a f**king bitch. Seriously, next time, don't be so aggressive with another member in a debate. f**king shithead. |
Posted By: AlphaS520
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 14:54
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Centrix Vigilis Get a life. |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 15:12
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Yes, it's me again. I have suspended you. It was going to be for a week, but after reading your last post, it's permanent. And I believe it is you who needs to get a life.
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 16:09
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What a foul-mouthed little jerk. He reminds me of Scamp
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2012 at 10:25
| He is a Knothead. No other designation is needed. Scamp and Alpha come out of the same box. Scamp was in Virginia, however Alpha is one of your guys Nick, he's in Nottingham UK. |
Posted By: benzin
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2012 at 13:33
| He's a 15 yrs old kid, what did you expect. |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2012 at 09:42
More than what we got.
Age isn't an indicator, I don't pay attention to what they put in the profile. Some folks put their age down as 110. Some sites have Admins his age. |
Posted By: SuryaVajra
Date Posted: 22-Jul-2012 at 10:18
ROOOOOFL   |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 22-Jul-2012 at 12:15
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In his best Elvis, Thank You, thank you very much.
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Posted By: JS Anand
Date Posted: 06-Aug-2012 at 16:59
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Lol, the Illuminati did exist, and in the 1780s they were quite influential throughout Europe. They can be best described as a secret PAC, as they filled educational and government posts in Bavaria and other European states with their boys. Their exposure in 1786 sent shock waves throughout Europe, and later, in the bloody wake of the French Revolution, the Illuminati craze had everyone looking for suspected Illuminati in their cupboards and under their beds. I am actually in the process of translating some of their source documents. It's a fascinating topic, but sorry: not extra dimensional reptilians ...
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 06-Aug-2012 at 19:08
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I think people deemed them a greater threat than they were. In an age without proper communications, it's unlikely they could form a complex global conspiracy ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: JS Anand
Date Posted: 06-Aug-2012 at 19:24
| They certainly had a global vision, but compared to the Jacobins or the Carbonari, they were rather tame. Thomas Jefferson had a high opinion of them. Rev. Morse, who stirred the Illuminati fear in the U.S., was not in his good graces. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2014 at 21:49
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NO! They do not exist!
Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2014 at 22:04
And those in other places like China! Ron ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2014 at 02:14
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I have differing opinions now after seeing ancient aliens debunked. However there are some points that are still some points that are at best possibilities but not solid evidence. On the note when I switched opinions about the ancient aliens theory, it was around the same time some skeptics on this forum who switched sides and started believing it. ------------- http://pakhub.info">
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Posted By: julian-the-apostate
Date Posted: 12-Jan-2014 at 10:12
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Some would say aliens have been visiting this planet all along and continue to do so, we call their craft UFOs.
We know there are other worlds out there and that there is no logical reason to think life couldn't arise elsewhere. It did here, it could there. Our ancestors had no such knowledge and would rationalise strange lights in the sky to confirm with the way they saw their universe- full of gods and spirits to be feared and worshipped. Strange lights in the sky were clearly gods coming to visit them. The Vedic writings are full of them gods fly around the sky in vimannas. In Persian mythology, look at the representations of Ahura Mazda- god sat in a winged flying craft. In Islamic mythology, Mohammed flew to Jerusalem on the back of a flying horse Pegasus type creature. In Greek mythology, the Sun is Apollo in a flaming chariot pulled across the sky by a team of flying horses. We call them UFOs, to our ancestors they were proof of the gods. ------------- Carthago delander est |