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Topic: More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun
Posted By: eaglecap
Subject: More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun
Date Posted: 17-Jun-2010 at 14:59
.. gun control laws.

Does legal gunownership cause more or less crime?

http://www.cato.org/event.php?eventid=7235 - http://www.cato.org/event.php?eventid=7235

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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 17-Jun-2010 at 15:09
I dont think it causes more or less crimes to simply own a gun, it is the availability of guns and how easily they are acquired which increases crime and crime rates.

Many nations that ban gun ownership actually have much lower crime rates.


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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 17-Jun-2010 at 15:13
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba

I dont think it causes more or less crimes to simply own a gun, it is the availability of guns and how easily they are acquired which increases crime and crime rates.Many nations that ban gun ownership actually have much lower crime rates.


Good points but I need some time to respond in a fair manner, in part I agree with you.

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Posted By: C. Isaurikon
Date Posted: 17-Jun-2010 at 16:33
Compared to virtually all other developed nations, the USA has a far higher homicide rate. I predict that if we took guns out of the equation, the assault rate would go up and the homicide rate would go down (a preferable scenario).


Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 01-Jul-2010 at 15:56
Just like Ripley, 'believe it or not!'

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=206&issue=007

Can anyone name the most heavily armed developed nation on the planet?

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Posted By: snowybeagle
Date Posted: 04-Jul-2010 at 19:39
As I understand it, most gun-related crimes are committed with illegal possession of guns.
 
I do not think legalility of gun possession would cause a great difference here to deter crimes - most significant factor would still be poverty and lack of legal opportunities to earn a living.
 
If the threat is serious, there would be many who would seek to own a gun for protection, through both legal and illegal means.
 
And criminals would seek to use the means they think most effective for their crimes - so if they know many prospective victims are armed, they would simply have to gang together and have more weapons.
 
Unless the criminal elements have better alternatives, they would not simply give up their life of crime in the face of gun-owning victims.
 
One factor that legality of gun ownership would have though is this - it is an additional avenue for criminals to get their hands on guns.
 
AFAIK, guns used to commit crimes are either
(1) legally possessed in the first place by the criminal, OR
(2) sold illegally by legal gun sellers, OR
(3) lost by the legal owners / stolen by the criminals
 
AFAIK, there is no significant smuggling of guns with the aim of selling them to felons to commit non-political crimes.


Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2010 at 06:18
I agree with everything you say, but what you say applies to the United States, doesnt necessarily apply to other countries, where crimes rates (such as murder) are lower and gun ownership is illegal.
 


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Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2010 at 08:30
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba

I agree with everything you say, but what you say applies to the United States, doesnt necessarily apply to other countries, where crimes rates (such as murder) are lower and gun ownership is illegal.
 
I dont think there is any country where gun ownership is illegal. Its just the difference between having the consitutional or legal "right to have gun" and having gun with the special permission. In my country there is no somthing "right to have gun" but in theory everyone can have it if obtain special permission from the goverment. The one who wants the gun must apply to ministry of internal affairs for the permission to have gun, he must back his apllication with the explanation why does he think that gun possesion is necessary for him, next must also go to psychiatrist and psychologist and they must give him paper that he can have gun. He must also present documents from the court register that he has never commited crime. Next if the ministry will find his application reasonable, he can get permission and buy the gun.
 
However it is much easier to get permission for a sport gun or a riffle. To get permission for sport gun one must join the sport club and take part in shooting competitions. To get the permission for riffle one must join Polish Hunting Association and pass 2 exams. One exam is shooting (he must have a result that makes certain that he can hit what he aim, it not an easy one, and second - theoretic exam about safety and hounting)
 
For buying Copies of guns and riflles made before year 1850 the permission is not required but for shooting - yes.
 
 
Poland has about 38 millions of citisens. In the whole country is registered over 300.000 guns, riffles, sport guns and sport riffles. Every year in Poland are being commited about 50 crimes with the use of guns.
 
And personally: I wouldnt like to have a gun or riffle at home. But I do shoot somtimes in the sport club.


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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2010 at 08:52
Well, see, that's what I'm talking about, its much harder or impossible to get a gun in other countries, in the USA you can pretty much get whatever you want with almost no hassle.

You said that Poland is a country of 38 million people, with over 300,000 registered guns and there are only 50 gun related crimes a year.

In the US, something like 46% percent of the population legally owns atleast one gun, who knows how many millions more own guns illegal, and over an average weekend in any major city in the United States, there are 50 gun related crimes.

I read this article about how just a couple weekends ago there were 50+ shootings in Chicago alone over one weekend.

Something is broken with the system here in the US, as most things are. We are pretty backwards for a developed rich country.LOL


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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2010 at 14:33
TGS wrote the following;

"Something is broken with the system here in the US, as most things are. We are pretty backwards for a developed rich country.
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Just why would someone write the above and then "laugh out loud?"

Just another example of the Marxist attitude towards the USA!

I would easily guess that there exists upwards of 500 million guns in the USA! I personally know hundreds of people who own legally over a hundred weapons!

And guess what, none of them have ever committed a "gun crime!"

But, TGS and his Marxist cronies, whould quickly "disarm America" if given but half a chance! Luckly our Supreme Court recently placed their approval upon the right of all Americans to "Keep and Bear Arms!"

Amen!

By the way, it seems no one has yet answered my question from a previous post, that is "What nation in the world is the 'most" heavily armed nation?"

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Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2010 at 14:53
Originally posted by opuslola

 
 
By the way, it seems no one has yet answered my question from a previous post, that is "What nation in the world is the 'most" heavily armed nation?"
 
 
 
Im 100% sure that it is Switzerland. Every Swiss man in age 18 to 50 is member of local millitia and soldier of the Swiss army, obliged to keep his equipment at home, including arms.


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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2010 at 15:31
And the award for knowledge goes to that "pesky, blood sucking insect!" Yes, Switzerland for sure! These men not only have "rifles" but they also have access to lots of firepower, cannon, explosives, etc,.! All cleverly hidden, within their near reach, if ever a foreign power decides to invade!

Ever been there? Narrow valleys, lots of "high ground" and lot of men and women who live where they will fight, and know the territory!

Hitler might well have known something?

Thanks Mosquito!

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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2010 at 16:36
Originally posted by opuslola


Just why would someone write the above and then "laugh out loud?"


Because its true.

Originally posted by opuslola


Just another example of the Marxist attitude towards the USA!


Sure, keep blaming others for your problems.

Originally posted by opuslola


I would easily guess that there exists upwards of 500 million guns in the USA! I personally know hundreds of people who own legally over a hundred weapons!

And guess what, none of them have ever committed a "gun crime!"


Ok, I'm glad those you know with weapons havent committed any gun related crimes. But the fact is, there are people out there committing gun related crimes.

Originally posted by opuslola


But, TGS and his Marxist cronies, whould quickly "disarm America" if given but half a chance! Luckly our Supreme Court recently placed their approval upon the right of all Americans to "Keep and Bear Arms!"

Amen!


Who exactly wants to disarm America? Making it tougher to own guns isnt getting rid of guns. Once again, we have another case of someone who simply makes up things simply to justify his/her false anger.


Originally posted by opuslola


By the way, it seems no one has yet answered my question from a previous post, that is "What nation in the world is the 'most" heavily armed nation?"



Here is the truth about gun ownership in Switzerland:

  • it was required to keep a gun within ones home as part of the military obligation to the country (for the nations defense against foreign invaders)
  • it is very difficult (much more difficult than the US) for one to buy a gun for private ownership
  • laws in Switzerland are quickly changing to discontinue the practice of issuing weapons regarding the military obligation and providing ammunition has already been discontinued
Sorry bud, things are changing there rapidly after a 2001 incident. And on top of that there are dozens of gun related incidents yearly in Switzerland, and over 300 deaths annually (mostly suicides and family murders).

So you see, the fact that so many Swiss own weapons is due to a military obligation to do so, not out of desire to do so. Infact, getting your own private weapon outside of military service is very difficult compared to here in the US.


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Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2010 at 16:36
Originally posted by opuslola

And the award for knowledge goes to that "pesky, blood sucking insect!" Yes, Switzerland for sure! These men not only have "rifles" but they also have access to lots of firepower, cannon, explosives, etc,.! All cleverly hidden, within their near reach, if ever a foreign power decides to invade!

Ever been there? Narrow valleys, lots of "high ground" and lot of men and women who live where they will fight, and know the territory!

Hitler might well have known something?

Thanks Mosquito!
 
 
Yup, iv been there and also i knew some Swiss people personally..... they are strange ;)

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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2010 at 18:30
TGS and I had this discussion above;


Originally posted by opuslola
Just why would someone write the above and then "laugh out loud?"

TGS responded by saying this; "Because its true."

OK, we will now play by the Rules made up by TGS!

At least one third of the people in Central and S. Africa are infected with the Aids virus! According to TGS, I should "laugh outloud!"

Tens of thousands of N. E. Africans die each year due to lack of good water! TGS would respond thusly; "laugh out loud!"

And, I could post numerous other examples where it would be most "crude" to "laugh out loud", when mentioning the pain others suffer!

He, it seems, whould just "laugh out loud" whenever anything is "true!?"

A very sick individual!



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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2010 at 19:49
Jesus Christ, you need to calm down, why are you so angry? I think this anger is clouding your judgment.


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Posted By: RollingWave
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2010 at 23:04

Wouldn't legalization of guns = much higher circulation of guns = many more chances for criminals to acquire guns ?

 
In Taiwan, the only times any criminals bring out guns is when they're going to assasinate another gangster or pull really big jobs, you almost never see them in petty crimes, not even robbing banks. (because of this issue most bank robbiers happen via insider job of some form. you almost NEVER see anyone just busting into a bank with guns.
 
It does help that on top of banning guns Taiwan is a island nation, so the method of smuggling them in is limited at best.
 
With that said, gun ownership is pretty much the pandora's box, once you let it out it's almost impossible to backtrack it, due to this reason it usually become fairly pointless to argue the merits and fault of the policy, since those that have opened it (like the US due to historical issues) simply can't backtrack even if they want to. while countries that havn't opened it won't simply due to the fear that they can't backtrack it if they change their minds.


Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 06-Jul-2010 at 06:18
Originally posted by Mosquito

Originally posted by opuslola

 
 
By the way, it seems no one has yet answered my question from a previous post, that is "What nation in the world is the 'most" heavily armed nation?"
 
 
 
Im 100% sure that it is Switzerland. Every Swiss man in age 18 to 50 is member of local millitia and soldier of the Swiss army, obliged to keep his equipment at home, including arms.
 
 
Then you are 100% wrong.  As much as it bothers me to say it, the US is.  And that isn't counting the Military.  This is old data, approximately 1990 [I'll try and find a source] but in just Pennsylvania alone there were 8 million registered firearms.  Notice I used registered, there isn't any count on what isn't registered.  By some well informed folks, it could be 3x the above number.
 
We aren't just talking handguns or deer rifles here.  Remember, Pa. is where a tractor trailer load of 2,000 M-60's just disappeared. [None have ever been recovered].
 
I will separate this from above as I do not have a reliable quotable source.  It's been estimated by people knowledgeable in such things that, in just Penna. there are as many automatic and semiautomatic weapons in private hands as are in military hands.  These weapons are mostly unregistered.   


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Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 06-Jul-2010 at 06:53
Originally posted by red clay

Originally posted by Mosquito

Originally posted by opuslola

 
 
By the way, it seems no one has yet answered my question from a previous post, that is "What nation in the world is the 'most" heavily armed nation?"
 
 
 
Im 100% sure that it is Switzerland. Every Swiss man in age 18 to 50 is member of local millitia and soldier of the Swiss army, obliged to keep his equipment at home, including arms.
 
 
Then you are 100% wrong.  As much as it bothers me to say it, the US is.  And that isn't counting the Military.  This is old data, approximately 1990 [I'll try and find a source] but in just Pennsylvania alone there were 8 million registered firearms.  Notice I used registered, there isn't any count on what isn't registered.  By some well informed folks, it could be 3x the above number.
 
We aren't just talking handguns or deer rifles here.  Remember, Pa. is where a tractor trailer load of 2,000 M-60's just disappeared. [None have ever been recovered].
 
I will separate this from above as I do not have a reliable quotable source.  It's been estimated by people knowledgeable in such things that, in just Penna. there are as many automatic and semiautomatic weapons in private hands as are in military hands.  These weapons are mostly unregistered.   
 
But in Switzerland everyone has at home modern assault riffle. You cant say that in USA all the men between 18-50 got modern assault riffles at home ;)
 
This is standart swiss assault riffle:
 


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Posted By: DreamWeaver
Date Posted: 06-Jul-2010 at 09:38
Is it that Switzerland has a greater percentage of gun owenrship per total of the population. ie that  X number of every Swiss citizens own a firearm, which may be greater than any of the states in the US, even though such states might have more firearms in total by number and a larger population.

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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 06-Jul-2010 at 10:55
I made a distinction between Military and civilian.  If the assault rifles are part of the Military, they don.t count.  The Civilian population of the US holds x2 the number of firearms as the Military.

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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 06-Jul-2010 at 13:02
Originally posted by C. Isaurikon

Compared to virtually all other developed nations, the USA has a far higher homicide rate. I predict that if we took guns out of the equation, the assault rate would go up and the homicide rate would go down (a preferable scenario).


Most crime it committed by illegal gun owners and even if you banned all gun ownership the bad guys will still get them. We cannot stop the so-called war on drugs so what makes you believe we can stop gun smuggling. There was a good write up in the LA Time in 1999 about how the Chinese, through San Pedro, were smuggling fully automatic machine guns to LA gangs. It was via COSCO or Chinese Ocean Shipping Company.

We have a real problem with drug smuggler in our mountains so I do carry but my policy is to avoid them if I should come across smugglers, hide in the trees till them pass. So far it has not been a problem and being that they carry fully automatic weapons avoidance is the best policy but a 9mm is better than nothing. We also have lots of rattle snakes and other critter but I always leave them alone, just in case. Strange, there has been a increase in mountain lion attacks but usually close to larger populations because of the loss of habitat.

From Gun owners of America:

http://gunowners.org/links-to-source-studies.htm - http://gunowners.org/links-to-source-studies.htm




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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 06-Jul-2010 at 13:05
Well, what it really meant, at least 20 years or so ago, is that since the military of Switzerland is composed of what can only be compared to the National Guard, here in the USA, are legally bound to become a Guardsman of Switzerland! And, they were then, and I assume now, also bound to defend certain parts of the nation, wherein, they reside!

You see, there is little difference between a "fully automatic" weapon, (which are regulated here in the USA) and a "semi-automatic!" Perhaps I should state that I would rather be shot at by someone with a "fully automatic" firearm than a "semi-automatic" firearm! Fully automatic weapons are designed to inflict "to whom it may or may not concern" carnage! It makes the marksmanship less obvious to those receiving the rounds!

Now I will make some comparisions, but since I am relying upon my own seriously demented memory, I have read that during the Korean Conflict, it was determined that enemy soldiers that were either killed or wounded by the United Nations Forces, there, were only one out of every 50,000 rounds fired.

And this was during a war where by the American troops were mostly firing a semi-automatic rifle, holding only 8 rounds!

What the numbers might have been in Vietnam, where the American forces were able to fire "fully automatic" fire, anytime, anywhere, the numbers must well be drastically higher, since their M-16's held a minimum of 20 rounds, and a maximum of 30! All they had to do was move the selector switch to "full!"

Thus in Vietnam, a lot of fire fights were determined or judged by what then became known as "supression fire!" In other words, just fire willy nilly into the jungles, and hope that the enemy ducked often enough and some of those "to whom it may concern rounds" actually hit somebody!

Well here I am again going on and on, with no real answer apparent!

What I am trying to get across is that fewer well aimed shots are usually better than hundreds of wildly fired shots at a common enemy!
And, as well, as I understand it, in Switzerland these semi or fully automatic weapons, as well as anti-tank, anti-personell, anti-aircraft missiles, etc., are kept within the reach of every Switz national guard member! Weapons of this type are highly controlled here in the USA, however! National Guard troops in the USA are not allowed to have these high powered weapons in there near proximitiy!

I am told that the Swiss are so allowed this!

But, of course I might well be mis-informed?

So I shall stop here!

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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 06-Jul-2010 at 15:39
I already went over this, the majority of the guns in Switzerland are issued by the military and its part of the mandatory military service. However, they are changing this after an incident in 2001 and growing gun crimes.

With regards to the US, its estimated that 46% of the nation owns atleast one gun, and as it was mentioned earlier, there are probably millions of illegal gun owners.

The problem here in the US is that its too easy to get a gun, and not just any gun, but the most dangerous weapons, military grade. There are some people out there who legally own guns who should not be allowed to.


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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 06-Jul-2010 at 16:22
TGS wrote;

"The problem here in the US is that its too easy to get a gun, and not just any gun, but the most dangerous weapons, military grade. There are some people out there who legally own guns who should not be allowed to."

So who give you the right to determine what one person or another should not own? Are you a god? Are you endowed with super powers?

What you so carelessly describe are "fully automatic" weapons, and others that have been "legally" released for sale to civilians!

It is controlled by the Treasury Department (ATF) for people too stupid to know!

So, when was the last time any of these "legally" sold and transferred weapons were used in any crime in the USA or other places?

By the virtue of your above post, you would lead others to beleive this is a serious problem!

The real facts, it seems, prove otherwise!

But, I only await your "facts!"

By the way, I have owned a SIG-AMT! Real Swiss workmanship! Like a clock! Or maybe even a Glock?



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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 06-Jul-2010 at 16:30
If someone is messed up in the head, whether they have psychological issues, or too much hatred, or are vengeful, etc... whatever the reason may be, some people should not be allowed to own guns.

I believe if you want to own weapons, you should prove the following:

1) why you need a weapon and is your reason legitimate
2) are you psychologically sound enough to responsibly own a weapon
3) do you or have you had a criminal past or a drug related past (addiction)

I think this is very reasonable. A lot of the mass killers in US history have gotten their weapons legally! Had they been required to undergo a psychological evaluation, they probably would not have been allowed to own weapons.

Furthermore, what laws are in place are usually disregarded many times. Please tell me how the Virginia Tech shooter, who was clearly mentally unsound, was allowed to purchase guns.

Fact of the matter is that it is far too easy to get your hands on a weapon in this country, even if you were going to do it legally. In some places in the South, they give out free guns through promotions.


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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 07-Jul-2010 at 06:47
TGS wrote; "Fact of the matter is that it is far too easy to get your hands on a weapon in this country, even if you were going to do it legally. In some places in the South, they give out free guns through promotions."

Dear TGS, please try to understand your material before making comments like that above! Yes the weapons are given as part of a promotional gambit, like deposit $50,000 in a bank, and you will receive a $2,000 retail, rifle, etc.! You would lead most readers to think that the person(s) who did so, merely walked into the bank, and the bank manager went into the safe and removed one of the prizes and gives it to the winner, etc.!

But, that is not what happens TGS! To receive your weapon you have to go to a U.S. Government regulated Gun Shop, and fill out the required paperwork, that is required for every transaction of this type! This form is sent the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and placed in the files.

Also, the guns are not actually free like in the case I presented above, they are merely a part of the interest one might be expected to make on such a deposit of money! In other words, the gun is your interest!

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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 07-Jul-2010 at 10:26
Except when you go to the places which actually are certified to give out guns. There are Banks in the South, for example, that are also certified gun dealerships, thus through their promotion they can actually give you the gun and ammo as well.



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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 07-Jul-2010 at 10:39
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba

Except when you go to the places which actually are certified to give out guns. There are Banks in the South, for example, that are also certified gun dealerships, thus through their promotion they can actually give you the gun and ammo as well.


While some Banker might well have gone thru the procedure to acquire a "FFL" (Federal Firearms License) I see little reason for it! I really see problems with such a structure, I.e. inspections, by the regulators, extra paperwork, etc.!

But, I cannot deny what you propose!

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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 07-Jul-2010 at 17:09
Earlier TGS wrote these words;

"With regards to the US, its estimated that 46% of the nation owns atleast one gun, and as it was mentioned earlier, there are probably millions of illegal gun owners."

Just what do you declare to be "illegal guns?"

A short reply will suffice!

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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 07-Jul-2010 at 17:28
Guns not purchased legally are illegal, this should go without saying, but clear enough for ya?

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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 07-Jul-2010 at 17:30
I expected you to say that "un-registered" guns were illegal!

Thus I give you kudos for the correct answer!

Thanks for backing me up!

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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 07-Jul-2010 at 17:40
Originally posted by opuslola

I expected you to say that "un-registered" guns were illegal!

Thus I give you kudos for the correct answer!

Thanks for backing me up!


Unfortunately in some places you can legally own unregistered fire arms.


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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 07-Jul-2010 at 18:01
TGS wrote;

"Unfortunately in some places you can legally own unregistered fire arms."

And I say "Thank God!"

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Posted By: BIG D
Date Posted: 14-Nov-2010 at 11:05

won't the criminals get guns no matter what???drugs are illegal, but there sure is a lot of that around..how easy/hard would it be to ban all guns, and get rid of them??



Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 14-Nov-2010 at 14:17
Well, in many countries where position of firearms is illegal or extremely difficult to obtain, crime rates and murder rates are a lot lower.

In fact, the Mexican drug cartels get much of their weaponry from the United States, because its so easy to do so. Gun laws in this country are too lax.


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Posted By: BIG D
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2010 at 13:08
are not most of the murdered, criminals themselves, not counting domestic disputes???


Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2010 at 14:23
I seem to be in agreement with Big D, concerning the innocence (or lack of it) of most of those persons murdered!

Of course when "gangstas" shoot at their fellows sometimes innocent persons receive the bullets, etc.! They might well be called "incidental" murders?

I think the military has some words for it?

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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2010 at 14:30
Speaking of the legally armed American Citizen, I recently received this;

"If there’s anything that makes a concealed carry permit holder upset, its criminal safezones.

A criminal safezone is where only criminals are safe, because armed self defense is banned.

That’s why the National Association for Gun Rights has filed a lawsuit against the United State Postal Service.

The U.S. Postal Service uses bureaucratic rules to ban your right to carry in a Post Office, and that’s important, even if you don’t carry concealed –- it’s the camel’s nose under the tent.

We have already filed the lawsuit.

You see, the U.S. Postal Service claims citizens don’t have the right to self defense in Post Offices.

There’s one problem with that claim: it isn’t true.

The law cited by the Post Office creates an exception for “lawful carrying of firearms” for “other lawful purposes.” On top of that, both the Heller and McDonald Supreme Court decisions guarantee “the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.”

Sounds like it should be simple, right?

Well, no government bureaucracy ever gave up power without a fight.

And, given the anti-gun nature of the Obama administration, we know they aren’t going to instruct the Postal service properly.

So I assumed you’d want your organization to act... and quickly.

Do you support this lawsuit on behalf of law-abiding citizens for their self defense?

I sincerely hope so.

I know, personally, it infuriates me to be disarmed just because I’m picking up my mail.

But imagine how Debbie Bonidy feels.

Debbie and Tab Bonidy live in the mountains of Colorado, and are the plaintiffs –- along with the National Association for Gun Rights –- against the Postal Service.

Debbie Bonidy doesn’t like going anywhere without her personal handgun, which is why she went through the trouble of being trained, proving she’s law-abiding, and getting her concealed carry permit. Not only does the U.S. Postal Service say she can’t carry that handgun for self protection in a Post Office, but they arrogantly claim she can’t even leave it in her car when in their lot.

If we win this lawsuit, that outrageous policy will change in every Post Office in America."

Just one prime example of the arrogance of the Federal Government! Have the Postal managers never heard of the term "Going Postal?" It seems that in the past, there have been a couple of instances whereby a Postal employee has resorted to gunfire to settle grudges within the offices, etc.!

Who, in a Post Office, or in the Postal parking lot, is there to protect you from disgruntled and killing Postal employees?

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