Does Hijab reduce the beauty of Iranian girls?!
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Topic: Does Hijab reduce the beauty of Iranian girls?!
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Subject: Does Hijab reduce the beauty of Iranian girls?!
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2009 at 06:52
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What do you think?
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Posted By: kaznder
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2009 at 07:24
Yes,(rhetorical??)anyway ,of course it reduced her beauty, though she should cover al her hair, it wrong to wear Hijab like this because the purpose is to cover all the hair.....but Imagine her without the Hijab, she will be much beautiful without it....so this should also reduce the harassment during the day  ......
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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2009 at 11:06
I agree but it is better than a full burqa. I saw this a lot in Turkey and it is modest and I respect their right, especially in their own culture. The burqa is another story and I have seen maybe two-three women totally covered up in my former city on the east side of Washington State and it sickened me. I saw them as being treated like chattel. The man also have some responsibility in controlling their passions and all the blame should not be put on the women but this is in Iran. One girl, an American, I saw at Barnes and Noble had a screen covering her face, I could tell she was American by her voice. The simple Hijab I can accept and respect but the other no way Jose in America/Canada. When in Rome do as the Romans do!! ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: Miller
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2009 at 19:14
Did you really read his post?
@Cyrus Clothing in general can work both ways it can hide the "beauty" but it can also hid many flaws. There is a reason women and some man are willing to spend so much money on clothing. If I had to guess I would say majority people would not want to be seen without their cloths and protection from cold and environment is not the real reason for covering themselves If you have an interest in overall reason behind the covering women hair and face and the conservative culture of Iran my guess would be that it has more to do with the huge number of invasion they and many other regions of middle east suffered because of the their geographical location, and not so much to do with religion. To protect the women from the invaders they ended up hiding them under the cover. |
Posted By: Hypocrisy
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2009 at 05:37
How on earth did you conclude such a weird outcome? It has nothing to do with invaders. How would you protect your relatives with a vulnerable piece of cloth on? As for the real question of the topic, a hijab obviously stands for the submission of women. The fact that it is worn to avoid sinful behaviours doesn't reflect the absolute truth at all. It compels women to follow the orders of religion and devout fundamentalists only. It doesn't allow people to comprehend. It also diminishes the attraction of such gorgeous ladies, unfortunately. I'm wholeheartedly in favour of the enlightening revolt of the Iranians against the religion-based government. You have to keep up the diligent work to shake him off immediately. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2009 at 08:15
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I believe wearing Hijab (hiding some beauty) didn't originally relate neither to the religion, nor the invaders, but just the cultural climate, in the fertile regions of the north of Iran where a large number of people live in a small area beside each other, we see Hijab has never been taken seriously, some say the people of this region consider themselves really as brothers and sisters! But in the desert of Iran where families live far from each other and people usually don't work together, the situation is certainly different, unlike in the northern Iran that women have important social roles, in these region women mostly work at home, even the types of houses show that people of the desert prefer to hide themselves from others. -------------
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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2009 at 10:11
I cannot see any connection with invasion but modesty is probably the major reason. I have seen women in Turkiye almost completely covered up and they really had nothing to hide- older or not attractive by the world's standards. The girl in the photo is a kind of modesty I appreciate. I have dated women who liked to show it all and I lost respect for them but my last girlfriend was very modest by American standards. I do not mind seeing Muslims or certain Christian sects dressed modestly like the photo that Cyrus put up; as long as they respect others freedoms. We also have the Amish, Mennonite, hutterites and other unusual Christian Sects here that cover and I could ask them same question about them. Hearing that the Amish, because they have lots of children, are spreading out west was interesting and threatening because of their old fashioned ways and dress but it is America and they can relocate where they want. They are welcome as long as they don't try to force others to conform to their dress code, they tend to keep to themselves. I think it still diminishes the beauty of their women, like in the case of the Muslims, but the inner beauty is more important. No matter how attractive a women is with time it passes. 
image by canadianchristianity.com 
A Hutterite wedding image on Shutterite flickr.com ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: Miller
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2009 at 12:15
I think you just contradicted yourself, but I could be wrong
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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2009 at 12:31
thank you Miller - I am not sure where but I will look it over unless you can help point it out. Are you Muslim? I remember in Turkiye that even though some young women dressed very modest and had the Hijab they still looked very sexy in their designer jean dresses with their cute figures. ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: Miller
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2009 at 13:02
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Have you seen the movie "Seven Samurai"? When warrior types entered the village the Japanese peasant who had an attractive daughter forced her to cut her hair to make her less attractive to them. As you pointed hijab can have the same functionality which is making women less attractive and may have been used for the same reason Also, I think that was the point Kazender was trying to make. Those sexy women Turkey most likely wore Hijab "wrong" And no, I am a generic American |
Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2009 at 13:30
I have not see this movie for a few years so I will see if I can rent it. What do you think about these other groups I mentioned? I am also a generic American-  ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2009 at 14:03
As a side note, Orthodox Jewish women also wear hair coverings. These coverings range from scarves to wigs. I think the style and degree of coverage required may depend on the individual group's Rabbi.
I also have a strong dislike of "Burka" type clothing worn in the United States. The American woman was probably a "revert" who thought she needed to imitate Saudi Arabian culture to be "Islamic".
Burkas appear to be spreading across the planet. An African Muslim that I met in Ivory Coast told me that "Burkas" had recently arrived in her country. She wanted them banned as they were never a part of African Islam.
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Posted By: Miller
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2009 at 14:29
| Well there is hijab and there is headscarf. Headscarf is worn for variety of reasons, warmth, fashion, social statement, or to cover the bald spot. I am sure there is more than one reason as there is/was more than one reason for men to wear hats. My comments were more directly related to Cyrus post about hijab in Iran. |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2012 at 12:37
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Posted By: tjadams
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2012 at 14:04
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I'm with you Alan, I vote 'no' it doesn't detract from their beauty, but I'm wishing they had the option of wearing one or not.
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 11-Jan-2012 at 09:59
I also agree with you. I am against forcing people to dress in a certain way. Women in Muslim culture should wear the hijad out of true conviction, not compulsion. I have seen that in Iran, they have an actual police corps that goes around telling women that they are dressed the wrong way. This is the same case in Saudi Arabia where if the call to prayer sounds, they go harrass people to go pray in case they didn't.
I think this kind of behaviour is despicable and causes people to detract from Islam because of the constant repression. This all started with the damn bloody Wahabi movement which sought to return to the era of the prophet but took a very extreme interpretation of Islam as the standard religion.
I as a Moroccan can tell you that no one is being forced to dress in any specific way in my country. A lot of women choose to wear the hijab and others do not. For example, I have 4 aunts 3 of whom wear the hijab whilst the youngest does not. My grandmother does her best to convince her to wear it but they never 'fight' about it. Usually here in Morocco, married women tend to adopt the hijab more than younger women.
There has been a recent surge of the 'Burqu'a' or 'litham' here and I can tell you that the majority of us see it as a bad thing. It has never been part of Islam and many wonder where the hell this dressing habit even originates from. It is obviously not efficient for someone to be covered from head to toe, how can the person take a passport/ID picture? or give a witness confession in court?... ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Toltec
Date Posted: 11-Jan-2012 at 14:39
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Nah!
Only for the few pretty girls. For the majority of ugly girls.
Have you never heard of a double Burqa-er?
It's when you wear a Burqatoo, just in case when having sex, her Burqa slips off. (in English we say double bagger) ------------- Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out? http://historyplanet.wordpress.com - History Planet Website <br / |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 11-Jan-2012 at 15:17
No. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 06:07
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Well in my country Bahrain, Hijab was not as prevalent until after the Iranian revolution. In fact, looking at photos from the 60s/70s, you'll find that women did not wear the hijab. It was reserved for older women... Now it's a taboo for any woman to go out bareheaded.
Personally I do not like it at all.
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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 06:21
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In my experience when people get something into their mind it can be hard to shake, and taboos are one of those things. ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 08:04
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She'd look better with pig tails.# On a more serious note, are strictly proscribed uniforms common in Iran? Or is it just a generic dress code. -------------  Arrrgh!!"
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 11:21
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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 11:30
You maybe right in that regard, Baal Melqart, but what changes people to following wearing the Hijab more as a society, when it hadn't been done in big numbers as suggested by one of the other posters. I take it the people of the country didn't see themselves as being unrighteous when fewer people were wearing them, so why the change of heart? ------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 15:26
Come on, man! Arab was talking about the 60's, a time when talking about morals was pretty much a joke. It was a time when AC/DC was singing 'The Highway To Hell' and a liberal way of life was spreading all over the world. To answer your question, those who stuck to a conservative way of life would have definitely frowned upon them. But then again you can't force people to adopt a lifestyle, they need to realise it for themselves. ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 15:49
------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2012 at 18:08
To answer your question, Bahain is relatively more liberal compared to neighboring countries, but because a large portion of the people are shi'ites, events in Iran (biggest shi'ite country and also neighboring to Bahrain) will inevitably have a considerable influence on the culture here. Many shi'ites here admire Khomeini even if they generally dislike Iran. After the Iranian Revolution shi'ite women were prompted to wear the hijab and it caught on with most of the population.
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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 15-Jan-2012 at 06:21
------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 13-Mar-2012 at 00:34
Hijab can be turned into a beautiful hair adornment, it's not necessary to reduce one's beauty.    However, to make women to wear uniforms of any kind and cover their beauty only because some guy may not be able to control himself in the sight of couple of curls is nothing less than sexism, IMHO. There is no modesty in that, only oppression. Everyone should be allowed to wear what they want to, and it's up to them to decide hijab of not hijab. I have the sense that the women commonly walking the streets of a random Iranian village are not waring any of the beautiful hijabs I posted here, and the very idea of wearing it is not to adorn the female face, but to hide it's natural beauty, for whatever male possessionist ideas - and this is taking away women's choices, nothing less. ------------- |
Posted By: Ekundayo
Date Posted: 06-May-2012 at 02:55
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Head scarves work well to protect the hair from the sun, dust and grit of Harmattan but to me they represent whichever ruling party is in control-- by thuggery or otherwise. I'm sure you can find millions of women who will wax poetic over being forced to wear their modest burqas and attire but since most were born into being forced to wear them, not much to talk about there. The eeediots who patrol the streets looking for women to whip, arrest and imprison for showing an ankle or elbow (gasp!) are just small time henchmen for the true root of women's misery: the imams and whichever flavor of the decade is trying to ram their ideology down the populace's throat. I see nothing attractive in women flapping about like crows in 100 degree heat, covered from fingertip to head to toe in black cloth with a small net opening for her to navigate her way through excrement- filled streets. I've seen enough and lived close enough to the misery that is a woman's own when she has the misfortune to be born into a Muslim family--converted due to jihad a century or more ago or whether born into it for centuries. There are thousands upon thousands of child "brides"(long abandoned) languishing in hospitals (the lucky ones) or living on the streets in squalor and disgrace suffering from vaginal and anal fistulas. This occurs when a girl-child is married off and forcibly raped or simply from having sex when the body is not mature enough.The area between the anus and vaginal canal is ruptured, causing feces and urine to leak when and where it should not. Childbirth many times leaves these young girls with a fistula. They are then abandoned in disgrace by their loving husbands who caused the problem, and their own families will not take them back. Don't even get me started on shari'a law as practiced in West Africa. I've personally witnessed the daily humiliations Muslim women face and interacted daily with Muslim men. Trust me, they have issues with body parts. My neatly manicured toes peeping out of sandals can easily become the erotic fodder that sets one over the edge into uncontrollable lust-and we're not even talking about living in a predominately Muslim area of the country. It is a permeating influence within Christian majority areas...can't seem to escape if you are a woman. The images above might seem romantic--if you appreciate women as nothing more than painted dolls to be propped up and sat in a corner, not speaking until spoken to, compliant, moldable and submissive above all. Women's beauty and the trappings for women stemming from a religious ideology are dangerous areas to tread. When men are finally held accountable and responsible (and their ideologies) for their direct participation in the rape, abuse and killing of Muslim women, then perhaps we can discuss the niceties of a piece of cloth being draped or not over the head of a woman. In no way am I making a commentary on Iran or the beauty of Iranian women. I just think the world would be a better place if we could all look a little deeper into how women are subjugated and controlled by dress, societal and religious constraints due to patriarchal ideologies. Not fun. ------------- "When you allow man's decisions to touch you, you have given away your God-given power,You have to say:"I don't recognize man as my maker or my keeper."Have faith in God and you will be rewarded."ESU |
Posted By: Ekundayo
Date Posted: 28-May-2012 at 14:09
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Aaaaaaand, we have another example....rest assured the comments calling her a slut were written in Arabic. Saudi woman defies religious police over nail polishhttp://www.afp.com/"> AFP – 3 hrs agoA YouTube video of a Saudi woman defying orders by the notorious religious police to leave a mall because she is wearing nail polish has gone viral, attracting more than a million hits in just five days. The three and a half minute video posted on May 23 shows members of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice telling the women to "get out of here (the mall)." But she refuses to comply, saying: "I'm staying and I want to know what you're going to do about." "It's none of your business if I wear nail polish," the unidentified woman, who is not seen on tape, is heard shouting at bearded men from the feared religious force. "You are not in charge of me," she defiantly shouts back, referring to new constraints imposed earlier this year on the religious police banning them from harassing Saudi women over their behaviour and attire. "The government has banned you from coming after us," she told the men, adding "you are only supposed to provide advice, and nothing more." In January, Saudi King Abdullah appointed a moderate to head the religious police raising hopes that a more lenient force will ease draconian social constraints in the Islamic country. Two weeks into his post, Sheikh Abdullatif Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh banned volunteers from serving in the commission which enforces the kingdom's strict Islamic rules. And in April he went further prohibiting the religious police from "harassing people" and threatening "decisive measures against violators." As of Monday, the video was viewed more than 1,142,000 times, with over 12,000 people posting comments online, most of them denouncing the woman's behaviour. One posting said she had "no shame" and accused her of "prostituting" herself. Another called her a "slut" and a "whore." The clip earned only about 1800 "likes." The number of "dislikes" reached almost 7000. The woman filmed the incident herself and posted it on YouTube. At one point during the video, she cautions the religious police that she has already posted the exchange online. It is also not clear if the woman was eventually forced to leave the mall. The religious police prevent women from driving, require them to be covered from head to foot in black, ban public entertainment, and force all commerce, from supermarkets to petrol stations, to come to a halt at prayer times, five times a day. ------------- "When you allow man's decisions to touch you, you have given away your God-given power,You have to say:"I don't recognize man as my maker or my keeper."Have faith in God and you will be rewarded."ESU |
Posted By: Ekundayo
Date Posted: 29-May-2012 at 14:22
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Posted By: Ekundayo
Date Posted: 29-May-2012 at 14:30
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Posted By: Ekundayo
Date Posted: 29-May-2012 at 14:33
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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 29-May-2012 at 15:30
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It's a shame... People should be allowed to wear what they wish to wear! ------------- Timidi mater non flet |
Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 29-May-2012 at 15:34
Ekundayo, where is the text in your 3 last posts?
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Posted By: Don Quixote
Date Posted: 29-May-2012 at 15:47
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The OP here is specifically abut the effect of hijab on the beauty of women who wear it, not about the full face covering, or hiqab; neither the full body covering, the burqa; but I agree that it's impossible to discuss that out f the context of the question of women's rights. However I personally prefer to save my thoughts on the huge problem of the lack of womens' rights in quite a few countries in a thread that is made especially for that. I'm not sure if the Women History subforum has such a thread, but in any case, if Ekundayo or anyone else wants to make such a thread I'll be most happy to comment and share my opinion there. Btw, i have an interesting example about Turkey - there the hidjab is forbidden to be worn in universities, as part pf the secularization program of the country; but the last years, large amount of women are making demonstrations against what they call 'destroying their human rights to wear hijab'. Now, take it any way you want, but many young women refuse to go to university because they are not allowed to wear the hijab there. This in part is a result of the processes of what I cannot yet call 'islamisation'./but it may go there/ that had been resulting in straitening the position of Islam on expense of the civil rights /one example is that a pianist of world fame has been threatened with jail for making a remark bout religion of tweet, something in the sense that whoever believes in religion is or not very bright or a thief/. However, the worse thing is that the women in those demonstrations really feel that their right to wear hijab had been violated - you may call this romanticism, it doesn't really matter; what matters is that they are there to demnstrate nt because they are forced to wear it, but because they want to. Human psyche is a delicate thing, and sometimes the best way to make something popular is to forbid it. How is it going to end - I don't know, but I'm worrying that Turkey may slip from the secuarism that has been it's lifeblood in the last almost century and lose on a gigantic scale. ------------- |
Posted By: Ekundayo
Date Posted: 29-May-2012 at 17:41
 I thought the videos spoke for themselves, no need for my commentary! I've already made my position and opinion clear."I'm not sure if the Women History subforum has such a thread, but in any case, if Ekundayo or anyone else wants to make such a thread I'll be most happy to comment and share my opinion there." I would say that my replies are precisely in the thread they need to be. With over 18,000 views of a post concerning whether a woman's "beauty" suffers from wearing a religiously imposed head covering, perhaps someone viewing these videos and reading the posts will realize that this is not about 'women's rights", this is about freedom in all of its forms. Arab Spring? Rubbish. The day to day reality for women in those countries has only worsened. To wear out an already worn out saying: You can gauge the greatness of a country or advanced society by the way they treat their women, children, elders and animals. Still rings true... ------------- "When you allow man's decisions to touch you, you have given away your God-given power,You have to say:"I don't recognize man as my maker or my keeper."Have faith in God and you will be rewarded."ESU |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 29-May-2012 at 19:20
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To wear out an already worn out saying: You can gauge the greatness of a country or advanced society by the way they treat their women, children, elders and animals. Still rings true...99% correct...but you forgot their veterans. As for this thread......the use or non use does not detract from their inherent physical and spiritual beauty.....as to men's domination of the fair sex.....yep been that way a long time. And as long as controlling factors concerning power accumulation and the use thereof remains in the hands primarily of men then expect more. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 29-Aug-2012 at 13:30
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It's kind of hard to say, since we have no "without" image to compare to.
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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2012 at 03:36
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True enough suppose but they don't all necessarily like eh....see: Iranians Use Facebook To Say 'No' To Compulsory Hijab http://www.rferl.org/content/iranians-use-facebook-to-say-no-to-compulsory-hijab/24651872.html - http://www.rferl.org/content/iranians-use-facebook-to-say-no-to-compulsory-hijab/24651872.html ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2012 at 18:59
Facebook!? That's the corrupt and morally decadent invention of the Great Satan!@ They could be put to death for such an act of apostasy! Ever wonder why the Middle Eastern nations that hate the West so much have to have Western technology in order to survive? They can't even manufacture their own explosives. Ever wonder how the radicals rationalize that paradox? ------------- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2012 at 19:49
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Not particularly.... as I would and have been more concerned with their elimination. When the moderate democratic minded gain control we can renegotiate. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: vj
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2014 at 04:18
 
they are pretty with hijab...arent they?
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Posted By: vj
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2014 at 04:31
  
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