Koreans and Aryans
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Topic: Koreans and Aryans
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Subject: Koreans and Aryans
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 07:04
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http://www.int-pub-iran.com/Interview/interview01.htm - http://www.int-pub-iran.com/Interview/interview01.htm Dr Derakhshani Born in Tehran in 1944, He got his master degree in architecture and urban planning from Germany. He has been involved in historical research and linguistics in Germany for more than 20 years. He got his PhD in history from Yerevan University. His books and articles about ancient Iranian history enjoy international reputation. His latest works about Aryans were published in German some five years ago. Q: When did Aryans start to scatter? ------------- 
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Posted By: Gubook Janggoon
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 14:02
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Well...let's look at this.. Goguryeo wall murals: They have found blondes and blue eye'd people in these wall murals. Language: I think it's mostly an inluence of Bhuddism...Like Sanskrit adn all that. Korean's with blue eyes: I actually have heard of these people They're thought to be the descendents of Dutch people who washed up on the shores of Korea..(Shipwrecked) Gold: Some people think that there is a connection between Shilla and Scythian gold...I don't remember if Scythians are aryans though... ------------- |
Posted By: Miller
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2005 at 17:04
Based on what I have read most probably when they learned how to domesticate horses.
I believe Hitler believed
that Japanese had some Aryan ancestry
but I don't remember what his reasoning
was
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Posted By: babyblue
Date Posted: 20-Mar-2005 at 01:33
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awww you think koreans are related to everything.. ------------- 
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Posted By: KoreanEmpire
Date Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 04:46
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Not true. Koreans are Koreans. We are all descendants of Great Tangun who was the grandson of god. That is the reason why Korean race is called Holy Race.
But it is possible that the ancient Koreans migrated to Europe became Aryan. In fact, ancestors of english people were Koreans. http://myhome.shinbiro.com/~kbyon/culture/sanggo.htm - http://myhome.shinbiro.com/~kbyon/culture/sanggo.htm
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Posted By: babyblue
Date Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 05:00
you know what? i like korean girls... -------------
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Posted By: KoreanEmpire
Date Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 05:15
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I think Korean girls are the best in the world. We have best looking in Asia. I heard it was written in some western historical records. |
Posted By: babyblue
Date Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 05:20
yeah that's why i like them so much....(drooling...) -------------
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Posted By: Scytho-Sarmatian
Date Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 05:29
If Koreans really do think that they are the ancestors of English people, that would PROVE they have an inferiority complex.
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Posted By: babyblue
Date Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 05:50
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Posted By: Gubook Janggoon
Date Posted: 23-Mar-2005 at 21:09
IMHO Homogenity is a nice myth. We're probably the descendants of many groups of people including the Yemaek and the Han. ------------- |
Posted By: demon
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 09:57
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OMG. Still obsessed with tiffany?
So, if they don't, it would prove Koreans don't have inferiority complex?
I'm not sure if there's korean with blue eyes, but there's korean with big eyes- particularly among the Anyang Hong family. I don't know if it counts though, but I've read an article about a traditional Korean folk song called "Arirang". There's a lot of versions, depending on region, so I'll focus with one. The title basically means, according to the article, a song about Ari. Not sure if it's Aryan, or has anything related though. But it's very mysteriouly strange- there has been many interpretations to this song. Check one of the lyrics: -Ari ari rang Suri suri rang arari ga nat ne Ari and Suri were born in Arari(ari river) Who knows? Could be. ------------- Grrr.. |
Posted By: MengTzu
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 16:17
Faulty logic. What you said is called incorrect negation. For example, "if it is a cat, it has fur." Does it mean if it's NOT a cat, it has no fur? That's incorrection negation. (I just like to point out faulty uses of logic. I'm really not a part of this debate. Carry on. |
Posted By: MengTzu
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 16:21
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I dun wanna turn this into a "everyone let's love everyone" thread, but I do believe there is Korean blood in the Han population as well. Case in point, a group of Koreans were transferred to China during Tang (have no freaking clue why.) Heck, I might be a descendant of them. I'm often mistaken as Korean (especially by middle age Korean women, but they were probably just wishful.) |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 16:27
Does that explain the English obsession with tea and snobbery? -------------  Arrrgh!!"
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Posted By: Gubook Janggoon
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 17:33
Damn straight. ------------- |
Posted By: Mystic
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 21:43
My my aren't we a wee bit on the nationalistic side? A word to the wise from now on, anyone who would use the term "Korean race" or "Chinese race" or "Russian race" etc. is living proof that he/she is full of it. Why? Because they is no such thing as a Korean/Chinese/Russian race. Any one who is even partially educated would know this. |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 23:51
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The word 'race' has many contexts, and it is indeed possible to speak
of a 'Russian race' in the traditional context of the usage of the word
(basicly implying 'ethnicity or nationality' or simply 'a people'). Its
not
all skulls and noses. Though many nationalists do convieniently mix traditional and modern contexts together, making for some amusing (if not dodgy) tales. ------------- Arrrgh!!"
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Posted By: babyblue
Date Posted: 27-Mar-2005 at 02:04
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hey i didn't know koreans were big on tea.. -------------
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Posted By: demon
Date Posted: 27-Mar-2005 at 09:55
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Neither did I. I thought Koreans preferred to drink canned coffee.
I don't know...but if English decended from Koreans, they should have a strong taste for chili sause that is nearly in its boiling point. ------------- Grrr.. |
)Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 27-Mar-2005 at 14:24
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Well they can't get enough vindaloo after a few beers, does that count?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 18:10
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This is true. However, I do think that Koreans are mixtures of different people but still restricted to East Asian. Just look at their faces, we can conclude that they are a mixture of, from the North, Mongolians, Manchus, Tungus, just say the Altaics. And from the South, to a certain degree, Southeast Asia and Southern China. But I cannot tolerate the idiotic nonsense saying that Koreans are related to Indo Europeans. I would rather believe that the Japanese Emperor is a real god.
According to the legend, yes. But I doubt that ALL of us are his descendants.
I really wish that was so.  Come on, I thought Korean historians weren't as depraved as the Japanese.
What the....? Ridiculous. http://myhome.shinbiro.com/~kbyon/culture/sanggo.htm - http://myhome.shinbiro.com/~kbyon/culture/sanggo.htm I actually checked the link above. It is true that they have some interesting facts but they are way too nationalistic and wishful thinking. |
Posted By: King Chulalongkorn
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2005 at 12:15
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Posted By: moreshige
Date Posted: 05-May-2005 at 02:15
sorry, jamesse, this koreanempire dude is full of it, just like the Chinese and Japanese extreme nationalists. They distort history and nothing else because they all have a POLITICAL agenda for what they claim. He doesn't represent Koreans any more than the right-winger Japanese nationalists represent Japan. |
Posted By: Elanjie
Date Posted: 05-May-2005 at 23:11
Yes, chinese and korean and japanese had clear Political agenda here. It's quite normal, for asia, history is history of politics, politics made up the history, before you realize it, you 'd better just keep watching not debating. I forgive your nonsense of history and also forgive your prejudece of chinese. |
Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 06-May-2005 at 05:31
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I think the new Korean reich should have a kimstaka instead of a swatika and its made with a cabbage leaf. I honestly dont know who in their right mind would A, take founding myths as fact and B, think the British and the Koreans are the same thing, but hell, hey are both good at sinking invaders on the sea at least. Korean tea is however much better than British tea, it often has this slight popcorn flavor I cant place. Hence I call it popcorn tea. I find it intresting whenver someone claims their country is of the master race, they usually come from a frequently conquered nation. If theres anyone left on this thread willing to argue Koreans are some kind of master race I would like to hear the explanation for why a master race gets conquered so often by its less masterfull neighbors. I remeber using this tactic on an Iranian guy and him having no effective response... ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: Gubook Janggoon
Date Posted: 06-May-2005 at 20:58
It's because we're nice. ------------- |
Posted By: MengTzu
Date Posted: 07-May-2005 at 02:16
Actually there is a good argument that your Iranian friend could've made. Military success isn't the sole determinant for the greatness of a people. Isreal had been bullied around for the past few millenia, but they see a sudden surge of success in recent history. We cannot deny their influence in big academic fields: Eintein in physics, Freud in psychology, and Marx in sociology. The ideas of these three guys have tremendous influences in not only the intellectual history, but in many other areas of the life of the 20th century. Hence military success alone doesn't make a people great. Bottomline, though, is that no one is truly superior (this is so cliche.) I wouldn't say the Jews are a "master people" because of their recent success either. Nor would I call any super military power a "master people." |
Posted By: kidrocku
Date Posted: 07-May-2005 at 03:59
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jews have always been known to be acedemically smart. But they're success is due mostly to the way they have been brought up and their KEEN interest in studying, etc. His iranian friend ISNT a jew so therefore he couldnt answer his question, and today iranians dont offer much to anyone. England for instance arent no master race when they were the largest empire in the world. They were being taken over for heaps of milenia from ancient celts, to the roman empire and norman invaders. What was produced here was a influence from all these cultures put into one. The master race was not formed, but what the people did was influenced from many cultures which made them good in say about the 18th century. They started the industrial revolution from just like i suppose. The reasoning for their naval superiority was from their viking influence, that had strong fleets/boats. No one is better than anyone else. Everybody individually can do the same things, but as a whole they need to work together in order to dominate over other nations. For koreas case being overtaken by many neighbours is a good thing and makes them who they are today. The city of seoul is one of the most developed and industrial in the world.. Japans help? was it? would korea still be in the dust like some parts south-east asia? |
Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 07-May-2005 at 21:31
this wasnt my point (man what is it with Chinese people misinterpreting everything I say! I of course think there is no such thing as inheirent dominance in any field, just geographic circumstance. ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: kidrocku
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 08:12
| when u take over a nation militaristically, u also have very strong influence on their lifestyle, like their language and their religion..hmm..south america being very latin anc catholic?.. and the fact that A LOT of the worlds people speak english now? >.< |
Posted By: Hando
Date Posted: 19-May-2006 at 18:10
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I'm Korean. I'd say we are more like the Irish than the English. Good at fighting invaders with reckless and sacrificial courage, but not good at invading others. Good at drinking and brooding and...fighting. But not good at living harmoniously with each other.
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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 19-May-2006 at 20:34
lmao
 mocking is catching a wee insight
 The Aryans in Korea being talked about were suppossed Alani. From Korea the Alani suppossed invaded Japan in latter Fourth Century. The Alani in both instance were suppossed racially absorbed by the native populations.
(the Alani were not Germanic Hitler Aryan peeps though they were termed Aryan)
Possible english peep link they are talking about!
The Alani/Sarmations under Goar (407AD) settled in Brittany and intermarried Celtic Britains (most probably the Lazyg/Sarmations bloodlines from earlier Roman occupation of the UK)
1066 Breton Alan/Knights invade Britain under the banner of William the Conquerer.
Alan/Breton descendants live throughout the UK & Ireland today.
(The whole Alani /Korean/ Japan thing may or may not be bull but gives a little credence to this topic of discussion due to the fact these Alani may be directly/indirectly related to either the lazyg or alan factions that ended up in the British Isles & Ireland)
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Posted By: Hando
Date Posted: 21-May-2006 at 23:36
Wow, where can I read more about the supposed Alani in Korea? I would be interested... |
Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 22-May-2006 at 04:42
i got that information off the internet when i was researching the Alani but that was a while back and i can't remember where i read it.
 i thought it was bullsh*t so i had dismissed it alongside such claims as the Alani were survivors from Atlantis
 (and i said mocking was catching. lmao) i thought to mention about the suppossed Alani in Korea when you peeps starting talking about it. (had me pondering over what i'd read)
Apparently it was suppossed two Japanese scholars who made claim about the Alani in Korea and Japan in latter Fourth century. This would tie in with other Alani movements of that time.
Anyways it may be true or the claim may be bull but it does give pause for thought before we dismiss others forum postings.
I'm constantly researching the Alani and i'll keep peeps informed should i happen across any other Alani/Korea/Japan info that can prove these claims beyond reasonable doubt.
till then i'll keep an open mind
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Posted By: Hando
Date Posted: 23-May-2006 at 16:55
Yeah, I were chuffed to read that... Cos, I also read a book that suggested that the whole Arthurian legend had Alani basis. Supposeldy, Alani have simliar legends of sowrds in stones andthe Alani were brought to Hadrians wall by Hadrian. So they say this is how it spread to what we now know as King Arthur. A mix of celtic, christian rooted in original Alani source legends. |
Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 23-May-2006 at 21:12
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While those stories about the Alani may be interesting to read (doubtful sources, though, since a lot of them seem to be found in some questionable "White Nationalists" literature), I personally think that any Korean or Japanese person trying so hard to somehow link their ethnic history to an "Aryan" (i.e. Caucasian) group quite pathetic. There is as much "Caucasian-ness" in the current Korean/Japanese population as "Negroid-ness" (because, after all, all human races are supposed to originate from Africa). Just be proud of who you are. I remember long time ago I (innocently)started a thread entitled "Koreans: the Italians of Asia". It was meant to be a "compliment" to the success of contemporary Korean pop culture and its conquest of the East Asian pop cultural scene. However, a very perceptive and wise Korean forumer correctly pointed out to me that why should Koreans be called "Italians of Asia" and why aren't Italians called "Koreans of Europe." It totally woke me up. This "Eurocentric" mindset is so prevalent in so many of us that sometimes if affects the way we see the world.------------- |
Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 24-May-2006 at 04:17
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[/QUOTE] Yeah, I were chuffed to read that... Cos, I also read a book that suggested that the whole Arthurian legend had Alani basis. Supposeldy, Alani have simliar legends of sowrds in stones andthe Alani were brought to Hadrians wall by Hadrian. So they say this is how it spread to what we now know as King Arthur. A mix of celtic, christian rooted in original Alani source legends. [/QUOTE] i've read about the Alani and Arthurian legends too
. (sounds plausible when you read into all the myths/legends the Alani brought with them and also the lands they settled here)------------- Scorpian |
Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 24-May-2006 at 05:31
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When i'm researching the Alani i tend to follow threads of information that are known as fact and i tend to dismiss everything else till its been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Ten years ago i'd an inkling my ancestors were the Alani and now i've pieced together loads of info on them and their movements. (proven historical facts and not fantasy)
Flyingzone is correct in what he says in that there is much dubious sources of information. In the past i've read loads of stuff that looked believable but i found was bullsh*t after i followed up on the thread/story/event.
Till Historians can ratify fact from fiction beyond reasonable doubt then every suchlike claim made to me is termed suppossed!
i've taken the bull by the horns and i've sent off an e'mail to Professor C. Scott Littleton who made contibution to the study and made claim to the Alani/Aryan/Korean/Japan connection. Hopefully i've got the right guy and he'll reply with a little more info than the suppossed hypothetical and questionable info we have at present.
anyways i hope i've got the right man or i'm gonna get awfully embarrassed when he tells me it ain't him
i'll let you know how i get on
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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 24-May-2006 at 09:12
books by Professor C Scott Littleton may shed light on what your looking for. He has written also about the Arthurian Sarmation legends. ------------- Scorpian |
Posted By: Hando
Date Posted: 24-May-2006 at 12:35
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Scorpian, you said "Ten years ago i'd an inkling my ancestors were the Alani and now
i've pieced together loads of info on them and their movements.
(proven historical facts and not fantasy)" you should check out www.genographic.com if your interested in tracing your ancestry. They do DNA tests on your origins. From there you may be able to see if your anestors were part Alani. |
Posted By: Hando
Date Posted: 24-May-2006 at 12:40
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Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 24-May-2006 at 12:57
Honestly, I really don't quite understand what you are talking about.
Looking at today's Korean population's phenotype, it is evident that, if there's any trace of "Aryan-ness", it must be 0.00000001%. So I honestly cannot even begin to comprehend the desire of anyone to trace modern Koreans' "ethnicity" to Alani. From a geoanthropological perspective, the extent of "Malayo-Polynesian" influence on the Korean genotype is probably much more substantial. If one's truly interested in the anthropological origin of the modern Korean population, I think that's a much more interesting trace to follow.
Just not that long ago, we had to kick out a Korean ultranationalist (and all his clones) who believes that ALL ancient peoples living in Northeast and Central Asia were Korean. Even Confucius was Korean. Now, there are some Korean forumers talking about how they may actually be "Aryan" and they seem thrilled by the idea. I just don't understand that. I am the one who actually urged everyone not to generalize the mentality of a few to a whole population. But I need some reassurance from my Korean friends that the pride of the Korean nation is not founded on some absurd idea of pan-Koreanism or Aryan Koreanism. Koreans have enough real achievements to be proud of - great history, economic miracle, strong tradition of social activism, etc. They definitely don't need to dig out some half-fabricated "facts" and myths to boost their national pride.
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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 24-May-2006 at 13:28
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you should check out www.genographic.com if your interested in tracing your ancestry. They do DNA tests on your origins. From there you may be able to see if your anestors were part Alani. [/QUOTE] i already know my ancestors were Alani but thanks for the interesting info
i only had to piece together how the Alani got themselves from way over there to over here to complete my personal puzzle.
i'm now delving deeper into the five Alan groupings in Scotland after the Norman Conquest and their impact on Scottish culture.
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Posted By: Hando
Date Posted: 25-May-2006 at 04:02
Hi, I was merely stating that you seemed to show in your statement that you assumed Koreans were somehow proud to have Aryan mixture however small that may be. No one was suggesting that there is any need for pride in this. Why would any one feel pride to have any Aryanness. Maybe some one from Europe may think this is wonderfull and I respect there desires, but I was simply stating that such sentiments are not held as a matter of pride in Asia. Whether Korean, Chinese or Japanese etc. In fact, in our respective Asian countries, people have been historically more excited about the prospect of being a homogenous race. So I was wondering why you would think any of us would be proud to have any Aryan ness. Perhaps for you this is a source of pride, and that is great for you, but to us we really don't care. In fact some of us would be rather embarrassed at being so "mixed." (As attested by the general cultural mentalities and historical literature of these respective countries. etc) Having said that, we all know that Koreans, Japanese and Chinese are not homogenous, but rather have many mixed origins. I was nt suggesting that Koreans are pure either. Anyone who thinks that Central Asians are all Koreans, need to rethink there mentality and education. This is not borne in genetic studies done by such innovators as Cavali Sforza, Spencer Wells and Oppenheimer. In fact Koreans and Japanese have many mixed genetic markers. M21a as opposed to M21b for Chinese, or vice versa. So in effect, Chinese, Korean and Japanese basically share very close ancestry. Nationalism and pure race hog wash dont stand up to the test and such puerile imbecilic ideas have already gotten many deluded people into a lot of trouble. I hope that any deluded individual who thinks they are pure returns to their senses before they cause their "proud pure compatriots" any more trouble. It is dangerous and ridiculous at the same time and not scientifically sound either. I didnt mean to sound rude, but I thought you seemed to be assuming that Asians were not proud about their heritage and that in your subconcious opinion pride was predicated on Aryan-ness. By suggesting that we should be proud even without Aryan-ness, seemed to suggest your deep hidden sentiments. If I misunderstood you, I apologise. Thank you for your equivocal reply. I respect that. |
Posted By: Hando
Date Posted: 25-May-2006 at 04:07
i already know my ancestors were Alani but thanks for the interesting info
i only had to piece together how the Alani got themselves from way over there to over here to complete my personal puzzle.
i'm now delving deeper into the five Alan groupings in Scotland after the Norman Conquest and their impact on Scottish culture.
I think thats great you were able to trace it. I know its not the correct thread, but as a history major who loves history from all countries, could you tell us a bit more about what you found in your ancestry? Also, I read the Alani came to Britain as Legionaires, but I had no idea they came with William the Conqueror in 1066... |
Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 25-May-2006 at 08:38
Yes, you did sound extremely and unjustifiably rude (but I am kind of used to this - a lot of forumers who frequent this East Asian section have this unfortunate fondness for brashness) and yes, you did totally misunderstand me. And honestly I still cannot comprehend why the discussion suddenly turned to discussion about my subconscious?!?? Very puzzling logic even when measured by the standard of psychological babbling ...
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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 25-May-2006 at 10:14
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I think thats great you were able to trace it. I know its not the correct thread, but as a history major who loves history from all countries, could you tell us a bit more about what you found in your ancestry? Also, I read the Alani came to Britain as Legionaires, but I had no idea they came with William the Conqueror in 1066... [/QUOTE] i've posted a few messages in direct relation to the Alani that settled in Brittany under Goar 407AD and those of the earlier 5500 LazyG Sarmations under the Romans at Hadrains Wall.
Two greatest Brittany Alan victories; against Attila in 451 at Chalons, France and against Harold in 1066 at Hastings. (check my earlier posts for greater details)
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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 25-May-2006 at 11:36
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i got a reply from Professor C.Scott Littleton Ph.D. Professor of Anthropology, Emeritus Occidental College Los Angeles CA.
Seems i got the right guy who wrote about the Alani in Korea in latter fourth century and i'm mighty pleased he saw fit to answer my questions concerning Aryans in Korea.
Here's his reply.
Hi Duncan
Yes, i'm the guy who suggested that there was an Alanic impact, direct or indirect, on Japan (and Korea and China) in the 4th century C.E. The evidence comes from both archaeology (e.g. the Paekche royal tombs in southwestern Korea, which are almost identical not only to the Japanese
kofun, or "keyhole"-shaped tombs in the Yamato area, but also to the Scytho-Alanic kurgans of Southern Russia and the Ukraine) and mythology. As far as the latter source is concerned, both the Korean Samguk-yusa and the oldest Japanese mythological text, the Kojiki (712C.E.), contain accounts of how three sacred objects descend from the sky and are collected by the youngest son of a primeval being, who become a divine sovereign. These stories are strikingly similar to the Scythian origin myth, as reported by Herodotus, wherein Kolaxais, the youngest son of the primordial being Targitaos, collects a cup, a battleaxe and a yoked plow that fell from the sky and thus becomes the founder of the Royal Scyths.
Other parallels can be seen between the legends of the ancient Ossetic (Alan) hero Batraz and the Japanese hero Yamato-takera, both of whom die by water after losing their respective magical swords. There is even a Chinese legend dating from the Tang era (8th century C.E.) about a hero who throws his magical sword into the Yangtze, whereupon a hand grabs it and pulls it under the water. And, yes, there are obvious parallels here to the legends about the death of King Arthur, which is one reason why Linda malcor and i have suggested that the core of Arthurian legends, as well as those surrounding the Holy Grail - shades of the Da Vinci Code! - were carried to Western Europe by Sarmations and Alans, beginning in the late 2nd century C.E.
That at least some Alans may have been among of the horse-riding nomads that invaded Japan ca. 360 C.E. and founded the Imperial Dynasty seems highly probable. Indeed, the Alans seems to have spanned Eurasia from end to end, as Linda A. Malcor and i are convinced that a band of Alans settled in Ireland in the mid 5th century C.E. and were the prototypes of the so-called "Sons of Mil," the last "takers" of Ireland, as recounted in the 12th- century Lebor Gabala Erenn, or "Book of Conquests." The route taken by Mil and his sons, that is, from Scythia across eastern Europe, then on to northern Spain in the company of the Visigoths, and finally by boat to Ireland, correlates almost exactly with the route taken by the Alans in the early 5th century.
For more information here, please see my articles "Some Possible Arthurian Themes in Japanese Mythology and Folklore" (Journal of Folklore Research 20:67-81, 1983), "Yamato- takeru: An 'Arthurian' Hero in Japanese Tradition" (Asian Folklore Studies 54:259-274,1995), and two works co-authored with Linda Malcor: "Did the Alans reach Ireland? A Reassessment of the 'Sythian' References in the Lebor Gabala Erenn" (in Homage to Jaan Puhvel, Part II, Edgar C Polome and John Grppen eds,pp. 161-182, Washington, DC: The Journal of Indo-European Monograph Series, No 21, 1997) and our book , From Scythia to Camelot: A Radical Reassessment of the Legends of King Arthur, the Knights of the Round Table and the Holy Grail (New York: Garland Publishing. 2nd edition 2000)
In short you bear an illustrious surname! Hope the foregoing helps. Lots of good wishes and
Cheers,
Scott
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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 25-May-2006 at 11:45
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C.Scott Littleton has written books and suchlike on this and other subjects in relation to the Sarmations/Alani and can be purchased/ordered from any good book dealers if you want an in depth explanation to his findings.
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Posted By: jiangweibaoye
Date Posted: 25-May-2006 at 12:17
Flyingzone,
I totally agree with you on your post.
I just like to share a non historical event I was involved in. A co-worker (South-East Asian decent, I don't want to be more specific) was having a conversation with me about how beautiful babies are. Especially White babies. Then my conversation migrated to our spouses. She was divorced three times. Each time, she married a white man. One thing lead to another, which compelled me to ask "Why do you only date white guys?"
She stated "To better my race."
Not for love or Money. Gosh even money is a more "noble" cause than to think that your race or culture in inferior to others.
I think she is suffering from a inferiority complex. Then again, she is not alone. Priceless.
Jiangwei
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Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 25-May-2006 at 15:45
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So I went on the Net to try to dig out more information about the claim that "Koreans are Aryan", and voila, I did find some, made by the same Jahanshah Derakhshani person: "From a linguistic standpoint, Aryan language has influenced the entire world and Korean language contains around 200 Aryan words. You must know that Koreans are totally different from Japanese and Chinese. We may find tall Koreans with blue eyes but we rarely find such cases in Japan or China. Therefore, Aryans have even affected the Korean culture. Ancient Persian terms are also used in West and North Europe -- Finland and Hungary. If we follow up the roots we will find that Aryans had not started to scatter even in the fifth millenium BC."
"In the East, loanwords from the Proto-Iranian - again not from Indo-European - are attested in Chinese and Korean, which are to be explained by an early penetration of Proto-Iranian people to China and Korea or even by a prehistoric settlement of the Aryans in Korea."
http://www.int-pub-iran.com/ipis08.htm - http://www.int-pub-iran.com/ipis08.htm
In this day and age, anyone could come up with anything (for its "shock value"), so I am not too surprised by someone making such a claim.
I am, however, truly delighted by the way that the Korean forumers involved in this discussion respond to this claim. (The discussion is found in another forum whose name I shall not name
 ) Basically, none of them believes in this BS. They all share my disdain and disbelief for such an outrageous claim. I feel validated.  I was right about my assertion - we really shouldn't generalize a few persons' belief to that of a whole nation. Korean people have too much commonsense and are too smart to believe in that nonsense. ------------- |
Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 25-May-2006 at 17:31
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i only followed a thread of information. it is up to the individual wither they believe or disbelieve. (The source was legit and from the horses mouth )
It is for you and others to dispute to your hearts content that which you want to believe. i can lead you to water but i can't force you to drink.
i am done here and the rest is up to you as individuals to decide what you believe
no hard feelings and i'll see you all on other threads
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Posted By: Hando
Date Posted: 25-May-2006 at 18:20
Hmmm still having kittens are we. I apologised thinking that I would be dealing with a person who would understand what being gracious was, But I suppose that concept has escaped you along with the concept which I was initially talking about. If you don't understand what I was trying to explain to you in my initial post, then it is beyond hope that you can see what I am trying to tell you. Dont worry we don't need you to feel proud about our asian heritage, although you may somehow in your deluded way feel pity for such an ignoble lack in our heritage. Well I will choose to ignore your passive aggressiveness. I learnt to do that through dealing with young girls at school whom I teach. |
Posted By: The Charioteer
Date Posted: 26-May-2006 at 05:03
You dont speak on behalf of Korean forumers(as Gubook onced openly acknowledged flyingzone's effort in maintain balance here, also the fact the guy was forced to lose his "virginity"), let alone Asian.
"Welcome to AE Hando!!!! Looking forward to reading your posts and sharing with us your wisdom."
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9671&PN=1 - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9671&PN=1
" I remember long time ago I (innocently)started a thread entitled "Koreans: the Italians of Asia". It was meant to be a "compliment" to the success of contemporary Korean pop culture and its conquest of the East Asian pop cultural scene. However, a very perceptive and wise Korean forumer correctly pointed out to me that why should Koreans be called "Italians of Asia" and why aren't Italians called "Koreans of Europe." It totally woke me up. This "Eurocentric" mindset is so prevalent in so many of us that sometimes if affects the way we see the world. "
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2589&PN=2 - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2589&PN=2
You should see Flyingzone has good intention, not the opposite. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27-May-2006 at 03:23
Take a look at this website Cyrus.Some of these guys are "ARYANS".
http://www.usfk.mil/USFK/index.html - http://www.usfk.mil/USFK/index.html
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27-May-2006 at 13:16
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Aryan Asians, i find that kind of funny. ------------- |
Posted By: flyingzone
Date Posted: 27-May-2006 at 16:46
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Maybe some of you guys are baffled by how strongly I feel about the idea of "Aryan Asian". I will tell you why here. First of all, the idea of an "Aryan race", whether one likes it or not, has always been associated with racism. While I am pretty sure that the word "Aryan" mentioned in Cyrus's original post refers simply to the ancient culture that preceded the Vedic and Iranian cultures, the term has been corrupted, abused, and exploited too much by people with a racist and ultra-nationalist agenda.
In the context of the association between the term "Aryan" and "non-White" people, the racist connotation of "Aryan-ness" has been pushed to a even higher level, as illustrated by the following:
(1) During the Second World War, the Nazis gave the Japanese the "Honorary Aryan" status, an idea that has subsequently been exploited by some Japanese ultranationalists to justify their racial superiority over their Asian neighbours.
(2) In the mid-1980s, Japan became South Africa's largest trading partner. The racist South Africa regime treated Japanese citizens in the Republic as "honorary whites" under apartheid. The same treatment was also accorded to the Taiwanese immigrants. Back then, Taiwan was one of the few countries that maintained diplomatic ties with the racist Apartheid regime. Ironically, the same "status" was not given to the small Chinese community composed mainly of descendents from migrant workers who had come to work in the gold mines around Johannesburg in the late 19th century.
So the idea of "Aryan Asians" definitely has a very strong racist component to it, and this is what I am responding to. As I have repeated many times in this thread, if any Korean or Japanese person is truly interested in the genetic make-up of his or her nationality, he or she has many other more significant contributors (e.g. the Malayo-Polynesian source) to the gene pool to look into, rather than the so-called "Aryan" contribution which, even if it does exist, may just account for 0.0000001% of their genotype. One could say that, "Oh, I am just intellectually curious." Intellectually curious about what? About the possibility of the 0.0000001% of being "Aryan"? How about the 10% real possibility of being "Malayo-Polynesian" or 50% real possibility of being "Southern Chinese". Why such fascination with "Aryan-ness"?
While trying to find out more about the idea of "Aryan Asians" on the Net, naturally I came across many White Supremacist websites. The funny thing is, those scumbags do not give a sh*t about "Aryan Asians". In fact you should read some of the stuff that those bastards say about Asian people, "Aryan" or not. In their eyes, the claim by any Asian people to be "Aryan" is something to be scoffed at. So why should anyone from Korea and Japan care about whether they are "Aryan" or not???
My reaction to the idea of "Aryan Asians" primarily stems from my utmost hatred for racism or reverse racism. I hope no one here has a problem with that.
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Posted By: The Charioteer
Date Posted: 27-May-2006 at 17:39
I read some of those sort too, but not for finding original idea about "Asian Aryan-ness", but for study the psycho of white supremacist.
I will give you one regarding this "aryan-ness" in Asian,
they assume its the "white" gave Chinese civilization, as proven by the discovery of Xinjiang Tocharian mummies. Lao zi was a "white" according to some of their arguement.
They say, China has been strong nation for more than 2000 thousand years because our sages and rulers had aryan-blood, its that crucial factor helped the Chinese to develop.
Then they say modern Japanese could become a powerful nation in Asia is because they have Aryan-blood. (Ainu)
I thought hell, if both of the Chinese and Japanese have this "white-gene" as decisive factor to the success of both, then how they manage to explain, China now lack behind Japan? Is it not conflicting?
They argue no, Japan could be sucessful only was because they got help from white powers, and learned from the white.
Asians cant innovate on their own but copy white's. etc ------------- |
Posted By: roxsan
Date Posted: 31-May-2006 at 11:24
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There must be some factors of Caucausoid genes in chinese,korean and japanese people.According to a research on Y-chromosome by chinese scientists ,5 % chinese men (especially in north china) have some kinds of Y-chromosome similar to european's.
I saw a tv program about the origins of Korean ,a woman of a korean museum said that some Scythian travelled to Korea from the Altai mountains .
A powerful horse-riding tribe,I don't know what is called in english or korean,may be Mahan,means Horse-Korean in chinese,had ruled other two tribes/countries in many years,probably has some relations with the Scythian ,in my opinion. ------------- Where there is liberty ,there is homeland. |
Posted By: TURKOGLU_
Date Posted: 02-Jun-2006 at 10:05
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@Roxsan
------------- While in custody,Mr.Koksun Selim jumped out of a small window of a rest room on the 6th floor of Suwon Immigration Control Office last February 27 at around 4 a.m. MigrantOK Phillipines 2006. 4 No.9 |
Posted By: bokhwi
Date Posted: 16-Apr-2008 at 19:30
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Why shouldn the Koreans be related to Aryans?
I would rather say, the Aryans are related to Koreans.
Pointing to the far older history of Asia, when every "Aryan" was still a prehistoric Nomad.
Even today, "Aryans" have much more body hair, sweat more, have lower iq...
which all states that "aryans" are some underdeveloped bunch of prehistoric primitives.
Otherwise I don`t have any explanation for the above mentioned facts.
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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2008 at 18:43
Even from a Korean prospective, I am totally lost.  ------------- http://swagbucks.com/refer/Malachi"> 
Join us. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 24-May-2008 at 20:29
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don't tell me this is some racism aryan world domination bullshit again ------------- |
Posted By: osmantus
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2008 at 10:36
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korean history must be write by korean historians. If it write by others it wont be history ıt will be politic. And ıf a korean dont believe that he is an aryan said him him yuo are aryan and you need to be proud of it. İts very rude and unaccepable thing. Any people havent got permission to do it. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Nov-2008 at 12:51
Gee!! I am a hairy Hispanic and I tell you my IQ is not preciselly the Korean average of 100 but higher. I don't sweat as much, though, I use deodorant
In any case, to me Koreans look pretty much like South American Indians. Should I assume they are also Aryans
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Posted By: Siege Tower
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2008 at 02:15
| Wow, i am surprise to see the number of replies to this stupid thread. Usually this kind of threads are ignored by AE members. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 02-Apr-2009 at 20:25
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Actually,I read that the Korean's and the Japs have Turkish ancestry, not the moden day Turk, but the white turk. The white turk came from Persia originally, the modern day turk is the product of being mixed with Arab and Mongo bloods.
Korean's are Primarily of Turk & Mongolian decent, plus via wars, Chinese and Japanese.
If you look at the language you see, Altaic.
The Turks traveled far and wide, the White Turk travelled to Korea and became the Korean / Japanese people. ------------- |
Posted By: Byzantine Emperor
Date Posted: 02-Apr-2009 at 20:36
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Closed for the obvious reason. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=12713 - Late Byzantine Military http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=17337 - Ottoman perceptions of the Americas |