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Changing the Facts

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Topic: Changing the Facts
Posted By: Truthisnotrelitive
Subject: Changing the Facts
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 23:24
Here's a question for you all.
 
if somone was to rewrite the history books (by subtly bias and the silencing of certain facts) what would the political, ecconomic and philisophical implications of that be?  
 
has any coulture/goverment attemted to rewrite history before, in a significant way?
 
what happened?  
 
 
 


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Posted By: Vorian
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 13:50
Try looking at the Macedonian dispute....

Couldn't hold myself....


Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 13:54
Originally posted by Truthisnotrelitive

Here's a question for you all.
 
if somone was to rewrite the history books (by subtly bias and the silencing of certain facts) what would the political, ecconomic and philisophical implications of that be?  
 
has any coulture/goverment attemted to rewrite history before, in a significant way?
You'd probably get a much shorter list asking what cultures/governments had not attempted to.
what happened?  
The history got rewritten.
 
Worth remembering though that much of the rewriting of history is done by individuals seeking personal renown, rather than for ideological reasons.


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Posted By: Flipper
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2008 at 11:30
Originally posted by Truthisnotrelitive

Here's a question for you all.
 
if somone was to rewrite the history books (by subtly bias and the silencing of certain facts) what would the political, ecconomic and philisophical implications of that be?  
 
has any coulture/goverment attemted to rewrite history before, in a significant way?
 
what happened?  


In addition to what Vorian said have a look at this: http://rosetta-stone.etf.ukim.edu.mk/assets/pdf/01-26-2-2005-Boshevski-Tentov-angl.pdf - http://rosetta-stone.etf.ukim.edu.mk/assets/pdf/01-26-2-2005-Boshevski-Tentov-angl.pdf

Pseudohistorians and politically biased historians can be found in every country. However, when a state university supports pseudohistory, then it is rather serious.


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Posted By: Parnell
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2008 at 15:21
People had rewritten history in the sense of 'forgeries', though in medieval times these weren't consider forgeries as we would think of them today. Its more like a monk, going through the archives realises that there isn't the title deed he needed to ensure his monastery isn't taken over by a dinosour - in that situation he 'knows' that the title deeds existed and that his claim is correct, so he 'recreates' the document. There is a whole field of historians dedicated to deducting real documents from fake ones...

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Posted By: Akolouthos
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2008 at 15:24
Originally posted by Parnell

People had rewritten history in the sense of 'forgeries', though in medieval times these weren't consider forgeries as we would think of them today. Its more like a monk, going through the archives realises that there isn't the title deed he needed to ensure his monastery isn't taken over by a dinosour - in that situation he 'knows' that the title deeds existed and that his claim is correct, so he 'recreates' the document. There is a whole field of historians dedicated to deducting real documents from fake ones...
 
Aye, and sometimes documents were forged for one purpose, and used for an entirely different purpose for which, as it turned out, they were more suited, and which even contradicted their intended purpose. Take the Pseudo-Isidorian Decretals, for instance.
 
-Akolouthos


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2008 at 15:28
People has rewritten history so much that many times it is necessary the help of aditional non-historical evidence to get the truth.

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Posted By: edgewaters
Date Posted: 24-Nov-2008 at 03:50

Originally posted by gcle2003

Worth remembering though that much of the rewriting of history is done by individuals seeking personal renown, rather than for ideological reasons.

Too true, but I think alot of the time, the only reason their re-writing wins them personal fame is because it confirms the hopes of a large number of people who want the history to be different. 

That being said ... I don't think there's much received, academic history thats actually been creatively invented. It's mostly just that perspective (which is subjective anyway) gets shifted, or that history becomes more selective - some events are ignored or downplayed, others are played up and exaggerated, etc. 

Pop history, well, that's a different story. Tons of stuff gets fashioned out of thin air there.

All of that really only applies to what I call competitive history, the "my ancestors were better/more important/stronger than yours" stuff. There's not much distortion or rewriting when it comes to the really specific stuff, like Aztec pottery or 18th century French farming implements because it's not competitive history. "My rake was bigger than your rake" just doesn't work too well.

Finally, its probably good to note that revisionism isn't always bad. Sometimes revisionism certainly does help to clarify things, especially when it's backed by solid, straightforward evidence. A good example: the discovery of L'anse Aux Meadows in Newfoundland. But it's always correct and right to be skeptical when the evidence is less than solid. It's a rare few that happen to get it right.



Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 30-Nov-2008 at 19:49
Originally posted by pinguin

People has rewritten history so much that many times it is necessary the help of aditional non-historical evidence to get the truth.
 
 
Additional non historical evidence?  In other words, make something up to support your view.
 
Not that you would ever do anything like that.Big%20smileTongue


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