Election 2008
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Topic: Election 2008
Posted By: Seko
Subject: Election 2008
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 13:41
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Let's use this thread to discuss our voting experiences from today. I have yet to go to my precinct (that will happen in about two hours). I notice that there are two proposals on the ballot. One for: A legislative initiative to permit the use and cultivation of marijuana for specified medical conditions. And the other is: A proposal to amend the State Constitution to address human embryo and human embryonic stem cell research in Michigan.
I'll share how the experience went soonn enough.
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Posted By: Parnell
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 14:09
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How will you vote on the referendums? Free dope and stem cells for everyone! ------------- |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 15:18
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I have just voted in my precinct and am happy to report I had no waiting or troubles while voting. The two major issues for Ohio right now are limiting pay day loans, and the amount of interest that may be charged as well as how much a person is able to withdraw. The second is the building of a casino in Wilmington, Ohio. Personally I feel very strongly about the second and having worked at a casino I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with them. Also DHL is pulling out of Wilmington so that means that in a few months hundreds of people will be without jobs so I figure that the casino could fill the gap in the local economy. Of course knowing Ohio (at least knowing those flatlanders in the horrible northeast/central regions) the issue will fail miserable and no casino will be built and by next election Ohio will have lost even more jobs. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 16:12
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I was witness to my friend from North Carolina today. And I walked with him to the post office. No queues for me either. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 16:31
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I am on my way to vote in about fifteen minutes. Hopefully no wait, I have a busy schedule thereafter as well.
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Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 17:03
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That went well! I spent more time filling out the ballot then I did in line. Probably because I went right before lunch. Otherwise I heard of longer lines during the early morning hours.
I was going to go straight ticket except that I liked a couple Republicans running for local offices. Still, the majority of my votes went to the Democrats. I don't know much about stem cell research and decided to vote 'no'. Probably great for science but it's still stopping life from having a chance. I did vote 'yes' for medical pot smoking though. So people with a great deal of pain or glaucoma can get high and suffer less. ------------- |
Posted By: Lipovan87
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 17:32
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Very long lines in Minnesota or at least Minneapolis. The wait was about 20 minutes. I only ran into one instance of some college kid not understanding that political advertising at a polling place was prohibited and he was wearing a political pin. The judges probably ordered him to take it off at the entrance. I was not inclined to vote for the local sanitation candidates and uninformed about the judicial candidates (hence no vote is better than a bad one). The state legislative candidates are ones I know and support against the incumbents. The amendments to the state constitution got a NO vote for vagueness (clean water amendment). I voted for McCain despite a sever temptation to pick a third party. ------------- Human error is a certainty, the location of it is not. |
Posted By: Lipovan87
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 17:33
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Sorry, 20 minutes to actually enter the voting station, not counting time in lines there.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 17:52
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Took me 20 minutes back and forth and to vote. About the same as in 04. ------------- |
Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 18:12
That's what usually happens to undecided voters who are tired of the 2-party system. They would like to vote for an underdog, who has no changes of success, just to challenge the status quo,still at the end they hesitate and vote for the party closer to them which holds a change of success. The "lost vote" syndrom, has happened to me as well, even I'm not satisfied I keep on voting for the socialdemocrats... ------------- The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 18:23
Same here the ones I knew about I voted to stay in office. The others I rather not place a vote without prior knowledge of their abilities. As far as the Constitutional Convention I voted no, don't see the need for that, amendments can usually help out specify instances. ------------- |
Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 19:11
Quiz: What does the score of Pittsburgh 23 - Washington 6 portend? ------------- |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 21:54
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No queues here. The everywhere Iceland is frozen in agony at the one side, at the other side there's an atmosphere of departure.
No election here but a choice. It's like to play chess. All moves are already known but a new variant might tilt the match.
Obama and Mc Cain have different names here but their faces show the same grimaces.
Whether black or old, whether white or young, doesn't matter. You don't have the choice to move as you want on the chessboard. You will be moved. Beaten by a rook and placed beside the board for the rest of the game.
The Americans do have the feeling of beeing the centre of the world today, but do not notice that the centifugal force has throwing them on the direct way into the orbit of nowhere already.
Mc Cain or Obama, who cares? Only grains of sand, blowing into the endless storm of history. Only a blink of the eye of the eternity.
The dying baby in Somalia wan't take notice of this breath, that will rattling at its ear shortly before it's short life will find an end.
The old man, sitting in his tent at the plains, will smiling with his teethless mouth, full of mercy about this importance, avowed by important people at important speeches.
You may choose today but the match is already fiddled. ------------- 
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Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 22:03
Yeah, half of my ballot I chose not to fill out. Not because they were mundane local offices (I actually looked up every candidate on the ballot). But because they had no opposition, and I refuse to vote if my choices are "selected party member" or nothing. Why even put up a veil of democracy if there is none to be had. Don't even have a vote just give them the job. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: xristar
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 22:32
I voted once in 2007, and I experienced the same with you Yianni, only -apparently- on the other side.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 23:01
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There were no lines when I voted here in Kansas. Two referendums or whatever you want to call them in Shawnee (the city where I live) were for electing our judges, and increasing funding for schools and medical research. ------------- Concrete is heavy; iron is hard--but the grass will prevail. Edward Abbey |
Posted By: Donasin
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 23:21
I did my part to help ensure casinos in Ohio. For the overall process, it was my 1st time and I found it a very easy and refreshing process. |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 23:27
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The turn out in my town in Jersey was incredible. At 8 am there were 2 lines running outside the school gym that serves as the polls for 3 voting districts. I left the school at about 10:00 to do my shift as a poll watcher for the Dem. party. During the last Pres. election the Reps. tried every dirty trick in the book, flooding the poll with 5-6 GOP stooges all carrying clipboards etc. This year we were ready for anything, but it went smoothly. Polls don't close here for another 1.5 hrs, but I can tell you the exit polling showed 5 to one in Obama's favor.
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Posted By: pikeshot1600
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2008 at 23:27
Your "first time" was very easy and...refreshing?
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Posted By: Donasin
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 00:54
Well considering who it was with...  All kidding aside I enjoyed voting for state constitutional amendments much more than the Presidency. I felt like I was having an actual impact in those choices compared to the millions of others voting for president. |
Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 04:19
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Dear rednecks hail for your black president! Hail Barak Obama!
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Posted By: Sun Tzu
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 04:26
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Obama won!!! I am sooo happy, but it will be interesting to see what happens with the balance of power. ------------- Sun Tzu All warfare is based on deception - Sun Tzu |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 04:31
A round of Black Panther Gay Marriages for everyone  Congrats to Barack Obama!!! I am very happy to hear the tremendous gains he has gained in the last few hours. I was happy, too, to cast my vote for him this morning  .------------- |
Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 04:37
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Now we are on the right way. Sorry for rich dudes and arm traders! ------------- Anfører |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 04:53
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 05:24
I'm too tired and too emotional right now to say much more than that this, is a very special night. I never thought I would see this in my lifetime.
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 06:12
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Congratulations to Obama. Hope, he will realize only a few of his ideas he indicated in his bloomy speeches. -------------
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 06:40
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Hmm, I am cautiously awaiting what this will bring.
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Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 07:01
well said. ------------- 
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Posted By: Penelope
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 07:11
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Congratulations to Barack Obama, newly elected most powerful man in the free world! ------------- The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations. |
Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 07:32
What is going on in your town? it must be a big party out there! ------------- Anfører |
Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 08:43
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I'm now officially a disgruntled voted. My first time voting ever and it didn't even matter. What's the point in voting if your candidate loses?
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Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 09:27
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YES YES YES!
nothing has REALY changed ------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 09:46
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Ok, so we have a new emperor. I fear he will soon realize that it's the Praetorians who sway the real power, not the Emperor....
He will follow the same-old policies deluded with a few progressive details.
------------- The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin |
Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 13:30
Spoken like a true Ron Paul-Libertarian
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Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 13:41
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Congratulations to the United States of America! Congratulations to all who voted! Republican, Democrat, Green or Independent. This is a historic occasion in so many ways. For many hope is here. Others ask if anything can change. For change to happen starts by saying, "Yes We Can!". Congrats to Barack Obama. Alright, I'm still excitied.
This spirit was necessary for Americans. We have been in psychological, finanical and emotional turmoil for quite some time and to have a President elect who breaks all kinds of boundaries and burdens is a once in a lifetime experience.
I liked John McCain's concession speech. He showed class and is game for helping the new administration out. Congrats to him. I do hope Palin stays with morning radio and not national politics however. Enough of her charades. We are not stupid.
Lot's of work to be done by America, as well as the world, and it be nice to see most of us unified in order to face future obstacles. A mission that our current lame duck did poorly in. ------------- |
Posted By: pikeshot1600
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 13:47
 What kind of comment this that? I know they don't teach much civics in schools anymore, but you need a self study project. |
Posted By: Parnell
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 14:10
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You've made a grumpy Irishman smile America. :) ------------- |
Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 14:22
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I don't know if it's clear over the water how big this election was in Ireland and across Europe. The entire country, and especially those of student age has been watching this for months, and it really did lift everyone's spirits when he got elected. From my view of this, his election is a really good thing for the worldwide perception of America. His election made me smile too. ------------- |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 14:52
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My first professionally published story under my own by-line was on the admission of Autherine Lucy to the University of Alabama in 1956, the year I graduated.
We've come a long way. ------------- |
Posted By: Lipovan87
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 16:44
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What I am seeing is that Americans are too blinded by race to look at his actual policies and those of his vice president. It is a bit easier to retain clarity as an immigrant. What does the color of his skin matter in the middle of a war? What does the ethnicity of his father and grandmother matter while he must decide on policies? Not much. His ideas and associations are with the fanatical fringe of the Democratic Party and the Left. Joseph Biden's bitter legacy for Eastern Europe is troubling and his lack of vision in the current terror crisis is worrying for Western Europe. People disregard his actual ties and people around him for the lofty (and vague) rhetoric of change. These will be a bitter four years. ------------- Human error is a certainty, the location of it is not. |
Posted By: Parnell
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 16:54
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Thats an argument that the right loves to pull - that people only voted for him because he's black. Its unfair. I wouldn't have voted for Alan Keyes for example.
In reality, Obama has offered Liberalism a pretty face once again. Thats were most of the excitement is (From Europeans), not solely his race. ------------- |
Posted By: Lipovan87
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 16:57
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The ideological motives are primary but his ability to offer a triumph over supposed racism is another major draw. The effect is the most powerful when they are combined. You would never have voted for Alan Keyes because you disagree with him and because he never implied that voting for him would absolve people of past racial guilt. ------------- Human error is a certainty, the location of it is not. |
Posted By: The Hidden Face
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 17:20
| And Obama for all! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 19:02
Isn't that the same for Obama? People who think voting for an African-American is necessary to absolve the country of past racial guilt (who I don't think are very numerous anyway) are probably voting Democratic anyway. Just as people who won't vote for African-Americans because of their race wil never vote Democratic anyway. ------------- |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 19:25
completely agree, was a nice move. i also liked Obamas speech. i also want to congratulate Americans, irregardless of who you voted for because so many participated. if anything, the elections helped big time to raise the political consciousness of Americans. that was a big blow to anyone who thought America has entered the phase of decline already, i think America will emerge stronger now. i mean OK, i don't think there will be fundamental changes and there will still be wars. and i also hope that Obama can fullfill many of his promisses and not dissapoint the many folks that he managed to mobilize, that would be a huge blow. and the task is certainly big, given the problems created by the current administration. but anyways i hope this will become the starting point for a new, modern and fresh USA. |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2008 at 20:44
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A first movie by http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/v2/play.php?id=122319 - Oliver_Stone -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 02:09
bla bla bla pretty much ------------- |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 02:35
Eh, the bitter years are about to be over. And those were the bitter years that a small group of right wing extremists who took over the GOP brought to this nation. ------------- |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 03:21
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I have been very quiet for the past 48. I haven't posted any comment on politics here or anywhere else. I guess now is the time to start talking about this again.
Obama won the U.S. presidency election. History seldom gives us a clear point when major historical events or shifts happen. In most cases the change can only be identified years after it occurred. That is one of the reasons why we who like history are drawn towards battles and wars: they give clear points to guide our explorations of the past. Yesterday's election is one of those few moments where we are given a clear point that marks a major historical shift. Most foreigners don't understand the race problem in the U.S. I surely didn't understand it when I came back to the country in 1994. We are all humans, and dividing people into artificial categories seemed arbitrary. Yet the race issue in the U.S. is a central theme, a central core of the nation. The nation was created with great talks about human equality, yet slavery had to be incorporated into the U.S. constitution. The same people who wrote eloquent pieces on the equality of people owned slaves. Internally, this tension lead to the Civil War. After the Civil War, the tensions continued through segregation laws. Challenging these laws lead to the Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s. And a big component of the emergence of the dominance of the Republican Party for the last 30 years was a push back to the civil right gains from the 60s when the GOP absorbed the segregationists. Obama winning the election is the U.S. equivalent of having the Berlin wall fall. It is a reconciliation with its former racist past. It is the clear moment when the best values of the U.S. clearly overcame the worst, when the nation became consistent with itself. And it did so in that peculiar American way: through a long social process without having to resort to violence. In many ways, the U.S. Civil war kept on being waged since 1865 through the black. In a sense, thanks to this election, we could say that the U.S. Civil War is finally over. ------------- |
Posted By: Lipovan87
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 06:09
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Speaking as an immigrant from the Balkans, I see nothing so dramatic. The founders certainly saw the disparity but the ethnic upheavals were too much to risk for Southern states to risk abolishing slavery. You may ask why some people did not free their slaves? The state laws made emancipation contingent on providing them property. The owners did not want to lose their physical property while freeing people. The larger problem was the effect of large numbers of people who did not identify with the society being granted freedom and rights. The vast differences in identity and perspective made the hegemony needed for government impossible to achieve without some form of repression. Northerners who were not in the danger zone would urge emancipation and Southerners who feared another Haiti resisted it. Eventually, the legal question of jurisdiction was the question that cut the frayed ties between the two regions and war emerged. Slavery was one issue among many (albeit important to some). The brutality of ethnic strife in the aftermath of the Civil War left American Blacks (thought the group can hardly be considered a race but an ethnic group given that Nigerians, Cameroonians, and others try to resist assimilation into it ) dependent on the federal government who abandoned them after Reconstruction ended. The massive changed after the 1900's with industrialization and a rising Black entrepreneurial spirit saw waves of migration to the North. These migrants formed a separate Black culture of striving and assimilation into Northern society. The difference between them and Southern Blacks was stark and set the two at odds. Eventually, the more vehement and less intellectual of Southern Black culture used the aftermath of the Civil Rights movement to resist previous cultural pressure to assimilate to larger norms of life and created a pride in the new "ghetto" life. Those bad attitudes and habits became hardened by the refusal to look upon criticism as anything other than racism. The result was that a few privileged Black families became the elite of Black society while millions of others were left without a higher standard to motivate them. The older generations who had achieved so much of the "first Black to... " were ignored due to their supposed "selling out" to a racist wider society. The result was the collapse of civilized life in a large number of neighborhoods and the assumption by many middle-class Black youth that crime, savagery, and mysterious victimhood were the hallmarks of the Black identity. The problem is that the guilt used to destroy institutionalized segregation has been used to defend the indefensible breakdown in civilized values and standards. It should be a point of shame that I feel safer walking down the street in contested parts of the Balkans than when I walked home in the Black part of Washington DC. That guild has been wrongly nurtured to the point why remission from that guilt has become the reason why no one confronted the likes of Marion Barry or the intellectual failures of Afro-centric education. This is not the Berlin wall. This is hope that ethnic strife will end by proving your own lack of racism. That may help sooth emotions but it will not help run a country. ------------- Human error is a certainty, the location of it is not. |
Posted By: Lipovan87
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 06:13
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The bitter years are not over. He only recently (in March) declared that Kosovo protected the rights of minorities just weeks after the news of the KLA kidnapping people for their organs broke. Please note that Romanian citizens were among the murdered. A man who defends the people who did that and who praises the ICTY when the Chief Prosecutor tried to stop the Macedonian police from excavating a mass grave of Macedonian civilians is not a man who can be trusted with government. The contentious point of withdrawal from Iraq is likely to be worsened by Biden's public support for partitioning Iraq. ------------- Human error is a certainty, the location of it is not. |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 11:27
That's probably why you don't see anything dramatic. Where were you when the troops were called out in Alabama because a black girl was admitted to a white university?
Though I agree that Obama's colour is less important for practical politics than his views. And if only this election marks the end of America's obsession with fundamentalism, religious and political, and the end of the vision of Hollywood America, that will be of greater significance for the US and the rest of us too.
It worries me though to see and hear people claiming that this demonstrates how great a nation America is. It doesn't. Hopefully it is a sign that the US is finally catching up. ------------- |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 16:12
i heard this comparison before but it's totally not a good comparison at all. also i cannot really share this race hype. i mean if we look closer he is not 100% black and he does have no connection to those Afro-Americans since his father is from Kenya and not descends from former slaves. but maybe that's just me. a good comparison would be a Turk becoming Chancellor in Germany. |
Posted By: Beylerbeyi
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 16:40
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I think this election was a disgrace. Discrimination in the US is far from over. Americans discriminated against handicapped people by voting against IQ-defected Palin.
Jokes aside, let's not blow this thing out of proportion. To the people who say that racism in the US is over, remember this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MpE6ljPjSAk - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MpE6ljPjSAk
Redneck woman: 'Obama is an arab'
McCain: 'No he's not, he's a decent family man, a citizen'
By the way, why do the mods allow Lipovan87 to post as he is obviously a recently banned wiki-nationalist (Romanian teen in US, obsessed with KLA, fascist political views- how many such people live in the US and come to AE right after one disappears)? I thought it was not allowed to return with a new nick after a ban? Have your rules changed again or what? ------------- |
Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 18:15
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Obama is black??? ------------- |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 18:49
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He's black-and-white. That's how he got the law-and-order vote. ------------- |
Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 19:20
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He's brown??? ------------- |
Posted By: Lipovan87
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 23:19
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He has a mixed pigment but he chose a "Black" identity. Americans seem to think that their ethnic disputes are "racial" due to some misplaced sense of universalism. The hatreds and fears were not of "Blacks" or "Whites" but of their neighbors. Few Whites feared Nigerian Ibos and few Blacks feared Armenians. ------------- Human error is a certainty, the location of it is not. |
Posted By: Lipovan87
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2008 at 23:22
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I am unaware of any previous people getting banned but I am not one of them. If you record it, check my IP address for confirmation.
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Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 09-Nov-2008 at 23:59
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Obama is coloured? ------------- |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 10-Nov-2008 at 11:19
Aren't we all? ------------- |
Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 10-Nov-2008 at 11:59
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He's not black and white like a zebra? ------------- |
Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 10-Nov-2008 at 14:05
| Stop being racist to zebras |
Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 10-Nov-2008 at 14:54
 Wow.------------- |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 10-Nov-2008 at 15:30
No but the people who vote the straight law-and-order ticket don't know that. ------------- |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2009 at 14:24
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After the Tiger Woods revelations, I am just glad that he is an Asian- American!
His new name will be "Cheater" (Rymes with Cheeta) Woods! Humph! ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |