LOL she's smart.
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Topic: LOL she's smart.
Posted By: babyblue
Subject: LOL she's smart.
Date Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 14:40
this is how to respond to racism... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivkw27k9J0c ------------- 
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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 14:48
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lol, cute and sassy, she won't have any trouble making lots of said "slanty eyed kids" I do think she handled it well and she keeps the moral high ground with the mirth of her response. ------------- |
Posted By: Maharbbal
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 05:01
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No the real question is why would anyone aspire to be a member of this bermuda-wearing, beer-drinking, cricket-watching nation lost in the middle of nowhere? Tsk the rugby team did not even win the last world cup. ------------- I am a free donkey! |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 06:39
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he as well...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjjbrzV_g_c - ich_zeige_ihnen_blumen ------------- 
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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2008 at 00:50
I am soooo confused... 
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2008 at 04:27
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She can so plant a rice paddy next to my house . Its the same tactic as Nazeem's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIXfSpieEZs&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIXfSpieEZs&feature=related
Well most of the aspirants are aiming for the edge of nowhere. The middle is somewhere west of Alice Springs. Or possibly south west, or south east, or north west or north east. But certainly not due north or south. Because that's the highway. ------------- |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2008 at 09:31
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Yeah! We are gonna take over the world! And the rest of the world follow us whatever we do! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmMEddx9w-I&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmMEddx9w-I&feature=related ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: babyblue
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2008 at 16:16
lol my kids can't read Islamic lol -------------
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Posted By: Menumorut
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2008 at 16:55
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That video is bullshit.
The "white" Australians would not be worried if their country would have millions of Japanese because Japanese are friendly toward them. They are worried for those immigrants that feel frustrated and are hating them. So, the racism is from the side of those bad immigrants. -------------  |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2008 at 17:28
That's right, baby! It's just like how the Apartheids classified the Japanese as 'the Honorary Whites'. The Yen takes you far, doesn't it? Why hate the people with money, when there are so much more darker, poorer people to hate?
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Posted By: Menumorut
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2008 at 17:43
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You missed the idea.
Replace Japanese with Greeks or Cubanese, Jamaicans, Eskimo etc. ------------- |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2008 at 18:38
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I'm so glad that I did. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 15-Sep-2008 at 10:24
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Don't you believe it bro. For starters these guys couldn't tell the difference between a Japanese and an Vietnamese, Chinese, or Korean so they aren't exactly going to be directional in their hate. Secondly, are we talking the same japs who tried to invade in WW2? I can here the racism now: "We fought them in the war and now they're sneaking in through the back door." Thirdly, there are already plenty of Japanese here, and they aren't spared the discrimination. Guys like these don't have a rational reason to hate others, they'll pick whoever is available at the time. So there isn't any point in trying to rationalise their opinions. ------------- |
Posted By: Balaam
Date Posted: 15-Sep-2008 at 11:48
LOL that video is great!
Its true, most wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the nationality's so they are all just put under a category of "Chongs" or something like that. So it doesn't matter if they are rich friendly Japanese or not. ------------- |
Posted By: Menumorut
Date Posted: 15-Sep-2008 at 18:50
I think the Westerners are the less racist and less violent group of people. Apparently their aversion for immigrants is a manifestation of racism, but the root of this feeling is that the immigrants don't see them as a people or culture. The anti-Western racism is the worst in today world, like they are guilty because are born like that. If you want others to be lovely to you first show yourself this love.
Is full of hate. ------------- |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2008 at 08:48
In my last post I referred to "these guys" or "guys like this", you are now officially included in this category. With the exception of course, that, as a Romanian you will not be accepted by those guys, so in fact you form a separate group which shares exactly the same characteristics. ------------- |
Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2008 at 12:39
This is true. I'm already feeling an attraction towards used girl panties. ------------- |
Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2008 at 14:40
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Menu you never cease to amaze. Either you just climbed out from under your rock, in which case you can be forgiven for your naivete, or the Stormfront Romanian group has just found a new leader. ------------- |
Posted By: Menumorut
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2008 at 18:30
I don't want somebody to accept me and if somebody doesn't accept me I don't hate them. I understand that everybody want to live his way and as long they don't harm others is ok. I don't think those guys are racists, how you suggest.They want to preserve their culture and society and that not because they aresupremacists but because the type of Western society is the most pleasantful.
What naivete? That there is an anti-Western racism and is the worst? I didn't refered to institutionalized racism but about the atitude of the common people. There is a phobia against Westerners, they are described as the cancer of the world, racists, imperialists. They are demonized, their history and culture ignored. I didn't visit the Stormfront site, I don't know what they promote but the idea of a White community doesn't seems bad, if they are not agressive toward other people. ------------- |
Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2008 at 19:45
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You are exaggerating, Menumorut, the only people who demonise and shun Western culture are extremists, and they're by no means representative of any country. On the contrary, all over the world people are absorbing Western culture like sponges; they are wearing Western clothes, eating Western food, enjoying Western entertainment, copying Western modes of government, even thinking Western thoughts. I don't think any culture in the history of mankind has ever spread so rapidly and taken in so many people, and the ongoing trend of modern history is a complete Westernisation of the planet. As with any cultural phenomenon Western culture has its critics too, but their position is not in any way strong enough to justify claims towards a general phobia of everything Western. What you may notice though, and which annoys me personally as well, are the double standards applied to modern people based on what their ancestors did. So you'll find that in America a Black person can talk about how he/she is proud of her "Black" or African-American heritage and harvest some acclaim for it, while as a White person you won't garner much credit by declaring how proud you are of your "White" or European-American (if you will) heritage. Either both parties should be able to express themselves this way or neither should, you can't discriminate against modern people based on what their great-great-grandparents may have been involved in. ------------- |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2008 at 19:54
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Wow, Menu, if I was one of those Westerners(whose history and culture has been ignored btw), I would be embarrassed listening to you, like how I was embarrassed when William Hung was on the American Idol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qkas9mlMgE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qkas9mlMgE ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: Panther
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2008 at 21:42
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Well, yeah... she is a cutie! But, what really did surprise me the most, besides her wit, is that the young lady does seem too have a large following on youtube! My guess is that most of them are a bunch of oversexed guys with testosterone pumping through their veins?
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Posted By: Panther
Date Posted: 16-Sep-2008 at 21:43
I can't agree more! ------------- |
Posted By: Menumorut
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2008 at 08:01
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I'm sorry if I offended someone with my messages.
I hope you'll find nice this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY&fmt=6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY&fmt=6 ------------- |
Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2008 at 22:44
Don't be; it's a healthy sign when a person doesn't take himself too seriously. Personally I admire William Hung for his guts. If we're going to be ashamed of anyone, we should be ashamed of those who are so insecure of themselves that they can't open up and dare to be a little silly now and then. ------------- |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 20-Sep-2008 at 07:02
Yep your right, I'll tell you why though. North European cultures don't have a strong family connection, or a strong connection to history. It is an indiviualistic culture, where a son is a separate and independent person from the father, who wants a separate life and to make his own mistakes or successes. Most other cultures* have strong ties to their history and family. They are cooperative rather than individualistic, and keep track of family history. The first group wash themselves of their ancestors history - responsibility died with that generation - and can't understand why they are blamed for it. The second group hold tight to their ancestors history and seek to avenge or make ammends for it in their lifetimes. So in your example the "whites" let pride in their history slip them by, while the "blacks" take their pride and expand it. *all of Asia, North & subsaharen africa at least. South Europe is a blend. ------------- |
Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 20-Sep-2008 at 11:50
Sorry but that's just nonesense. I fail to see how an African American is somehow any more or less individualistic than a "white" American. Your hypothesis also ignores the fact that by the third generation after immigration most people in the US are thoroughly immersed in American culture and behave in a manner highly similar to the European ethnic core of the USA. The idea that "white" people are somehow more willfully ignorant of their history and fail to learn from it, that they are somehow so irresponsible that they just "wash their hands of it" is just another attempt at stereotyping "white" people. If anything, "white" people have some of the most extensive knowledge of their geneologies of any people on the planet - thanks to a generally superior standard of education, higher rate of urbanisation and a higher level of record keeping over the past several centuries. I can trace my mother's maiden name back to a geographical feature in her English village going back 800 years, and my father's surname to German career soldiers going back 700. The most extensive geneological studies on the web today usually concern Europeans or their colonial descendents. Trying to depict Europeans and their colonial descendents as somehow willfully ignorant and apathetic of their geneology flies in the face of a vast amount of evidence. It reminds of the discussion where you tried to depict Australians are somehow more secretly hateful and paranoid of other peoples on a pathological level, yet when your hypothesis was subjected to closer examination you were not able to demonstrate how Australian xenophobia was in any way substantially different than that of other people on the planet (except the fact we both acknowledged that Aussie's anxieties and fears of other people are generally more prone to easily subside after a small amount of exposure to said peoples). I will agree that "whites" (I would prefer the term Westerners) are more individualistic than most other cultures. But claiming this results in willful ignorance and irresponsibility is again pure supposition. And it contradicts the evidence that so many Westerners are acutely aware of their geneology and history. The vast amount of record keeping and archiving has also preserved so much of this, where as many other cultures on the planet lose track of their history and geneology when key knowledge holders in the family die without passing on that information or recording it. ------------- |
Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 20-Sep-2008 at 18:33
Must it be one or the other? It should be possible to have a strong emotional connection to your history and family without letting either decide your own course in life, it should also be possible to be proud of your ancestors without necessarily condoning their every act. In fact I think most people, regardless of culture, will find themselves somewhere between the two extremes you laid out. This isn't the only reason though. Europeans have throughout what is defined as European history been an expansive force in the world, perhaps especially these last 500 years and following the industrial revolution in particular. There is hardly a single culture or ethnicity on the planet that hasn't had its toes stepped on by the Europeans at some point, so that when a European or European-descended person says "I am proud of my heritage" what non-Westerners hear is "I am proud of how my ancestors exploited your people". While when an African-American says "I am proud of my heritage" it is implicit that he/she is proud of it in spite of what they suffered, and so it becomes an act of courage, like a gay person coming out of the closet, while when Europeans say the same it's perceived more like gloating. It shouldn't be like this of course, for European history is about a lot more than slavery and oppression. I for one wouldn't want to live in a world deprived of the contribution European civilization has made to humanity. ------------- |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 21-Sep-2008 at 04:59
Yet often maintain surprisingly different values. Besides, African American behavior is better modelled by what Reginmund said in the last post.
I am talking about cultural trends, not individual people. I am not implying any irresponsibility, or superiority of either. If you read that then you have misunderstood what I am saying. It is a cultural characteristic of North Europeans (not westerners) to be less attached to their history than another culture is attached to theirs. I am not saying that this isn't a characteristic partly caused by other factors such as wealth, it may well be, but at this time in these circumstances it is true. Both the bad AND the good are less valued. It is highly unlikely that, for example, a NE culture will try to resurrect a country (Israel) that hasn't existed for over 2500 years as the Jewish people have done (accepting that the Jews have the opposite cultural extreme). This characteristic in many respects is a good thing. It means that it was possible to radically change the culture (for the better) in a small period of time. From exclusiveness to inclusiveness in one generation.
Congratulations. That's irrelevent. I'm not saying Northern Europe doesn't have historians. FYI, My ancestors are in the old testament, and I can trace my Scottish ancestory back 800 years as well.
Which was another thread where you totally misunderstood what I was saying, and I explained as much to you in the thread - I had thought you understood what I was actually saying by the end of it. The exact opposite to your claim above. But if you want to restart that discussion lets continue in the other thread.
Ideally your right. I'm only commenting on trends.
Yep, I totally agree. Europeans don't need to talk about the positive aspects of their history, because they have won over so completely that they are accepted implicitly. Many other people will then talk up their ancestors achievements in order to differentiate themselves, and get credit for advances often considered European. ------------- |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 21-Sep-2008 at 16:28
Omar I would argue that the individualistic culture is not a product of the earlier northern european cultural tradition. But an artificial construct that arose with secular humanism and was propagated throughout europe during the rise of nationalism. Because after all your country and ethnicity comes before your family. Prior to the 19th Century in europe, northern europeans did have a strong sense of family and tradition. This can be seen in the earlier colonization of the America's prior to the liberal revolutions. Many poor northern european immigrants would cluster together in ethnic enclaves much like the newer immigrants do. I mean it wasn't until WWI that German language and culture had a silent 'genocide' in the US. To say that northern europeans were an individualistic society to begin with is like saying that chinese were a communist society to begin with. It was only after years of forcing the establishments beliefs down their throats that they finally succumed to the attitude that you see in this day. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 21-Sep-2008 at 18:58
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Yes, good points from JanusRook. Even though the trends Omar points to are more or less prevalent, they are not a defining feature of North European history until modern times. The industrial revolution played an important part in particular, as industrial workers were far more independent from their family unit than farmers, traders or craftsmen, all of whom usually ran their businesses as family enterprises.
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 22-Sep-2008 at 11:00
Yeah, there are many minorities that originally came from Europe several hundred years ago - especially the US but also other places - that have both strong family and traditional ties. Indicating that what you say is correct. Although isolation of many of these groups may well have caused the development or strengthening of those traits. I think even recently (last 20 years) there have been strong movements towards individualism. Its probably a gradual process that has arisen (or at least massively strengthened) since the rise of nationalism and the industrial revolution ------------- |
Posted By: babyblue
Date Posted: 22-Sep-2008 at 11:54
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Funny, 'cause from my experience at work or at school, Westerners of European descent are quite compatible with eachother as a team. Whereas I feel it's the Asians that are more individualistic. -------------
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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 26-Sep-2008 at 03:15
What sorts of values are you referring to here? I am only disputing the claim that African-Americans are somehow imbued with a collectivist culture preserved from sub-Saharan Africa and at odds with mainstream American individualist values - a claim you made. i ask for specific examples and you respond quite vaguely.
Then you must excuse me for misunderstanding your meaning. But when someone phrases their contention thusly:
it does come across as though Westerners are irresponsible and willfully ignorant of their heritage. With the amount of Western-culture bashing that goes on at AE, one comes to grow tired of such things.
Knowing one's history back a thousand years is irrelevant? I think not, and I wonder how many African Americans can trace such a lengthy geneology, a group you claim to be far more attached to their history.
It is great your northern European ancestors have done such a wonderful job of preserving historical records that you are able to find out about them. The Old Testament being a work largely of fiction, you may want to consider the reliability of such a document.
Yes, that is a good idea. ------------- |