In Defence of Danish manhood
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Topic: In Defence of Danish manhood
Posted By: Władysław Warnencz
Subject: In Defence of Danish manhood
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 14:32
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In Defence of Danish manhood. by Philip Jones I remember as a small boy being completely enthralled by the Hollywood Movie, `The Vikings` starring Kirk Douglas, Tony Curtis and the beautiful Janet Leigh. I must have been around seven years old at the time I first viewed this epic, and in many ways, it stimulated in me a life long interest in history generally and that of Northern Europe particularly. Many books have been written about the `terrible` and fierce men of the north; The `Norsemen` or more famously, `The Vikings`. Such books are generally filled with descriptions of immensely tall, strong and brutal warriors with names like `Harald Bluetooth, Sveyn Forkbeard, Canute the Great, and Brodir. I think it fair to say that these men were not projecting their masculinity due to any deeply felt feelings of insecurity about their manhood. By the time I moved to Denmark back in 1995, I had been thoroughly immersed in and fascinated by Viking History, myths and legends for the greater part of thirty years. It is fair to say that I was looking forward to seeing the homeland of my childhood heroes for myself. and I was looking forward to actually meeting the descendants of the Vikings. Real men, the sons of warriors. Now before I continue, I must make it clear that what comes next is not intended as a degradation of Danish men at all . Quite the contrary. But it must also be said that what I found upon arriving in Denmark was not quite what I had expected. Within a short space of time, I was asking the question; "Where were the sons of Odin, the Berserker's, the Wolves of the North Sea"? With some exceptions, it is true to say that many of the Danish men I have come into contact with these past thirteen or so years, have borne very little resemblance to those warriors described in the `tales of old`. It's not that Danish men appear physically weak or in any way lesser men than anywhere else. In fact, Danish men, like all Scandinavian males, are generally taller, and more muscular than say Slavs, Scots, Welsh and Irish men for example. No, the difference was in their demeanour. My impression was then and still is that Danish men have been deliberately cowed down, and emasculated by a State Apparatus seeking absolute authority over every minute detail of a Danes life. There can be no arguing that here in Denmark, as it would seem with the rest of Scandinavia, the socially strategic `High ground` has been well and truly captured by the `Feminists` with the complicity of successive sitting governments. Only a few days ago, I was speaking with a young Tunisian woman studying here as an exchange student, and she remarked to me that it appeared to her that it was the women who `ruled the roost` in Denmark, and she motioned with her hands depicting how one leads a Bull by the Nose. Exactly the same observations were made by another young woman staying here who comes from Moldavia. She is lodging with a Danish family locally and has been astounded at how dominant the wife is, and how compliant the husband is. It should be noted that the husband in question is physically very strong, intelligent and articulate, so why the subservience at home? Danish men have had their self confidence very badly bruised by incessant `pro femi` propaganda, which attacks them on all fronts simultaneously. Having lived here for many years now, I must say that I can only concur with the comments made by the two young women mentioned above, and furthermore, this `Feminist` dominance, at least on the surface, is across the board and throughout all the public institutions. It seems to me that in order to actually get to deal with another man these days, one has to set one's sights very high up the Corporate or Municipal ladder. So how were the progeny of `The Vikings` so reduced in stature? Scandinavia is the home of Social Democracy, which in reality is nothing more than `Cutural Marxism`. The whole social ethos of these Northern lands is Marxist to the bone. But there is more to this than first meets the eye. In fact, Danish society can appear to be something of a paradox, with it's flourishing consumerism (somewhat curtailed of late by the world economic downturn) and unashamed materialism on the one hand, neatly wed to a deeply embedded Marxist Socialist spirit on the other. Yet in reality, there is no paradox.. What do you get when a Socialist State gets in bed with Monopoly Capitalist Corporatism ? You get as Mussolini is once quoted as describing, `Corporatism` or rather ``Fascism`. That's right, I'm saying that Denmark is a Fascist State. A place whereby even the most minute details of a persons life are regulated and micromanaged by a vast State Bureaucracy. A Totalitarian Regime, elected by an deliberately uninformed populace. Back in the 1960's, `equality of the sexes` was adopted as policy by the Social Democrats and placed on the school curriculum. At an early age, conventional ideas of male and female roles were broken down. Boys were taught to sew, girls to do woodwork. So called equality was taken to it's logical conclusion. There was no longer any reason why a father could not stay at home and care for the children whilst the mother went out to work. One of the purposes in predisposing women to work was clearly economic, but I suggest that this is only one `cog in the wheel`. Men don't like being told what to do. Women are far easier to coerce and manipulate. The greatest obstruction to Totalitarianism is masculinity. The Danish State like all the other Dictatorships masquerading as democracies, hand in hand with Feminist ideologues, has conspired to emasculate the Danish male to the point where any prospect of some long lost `Viking` mentality rearing it's head in defiance, of the suffocating levels of control exercised by the State here would be unthinkable. Instead, as is the case in many other western lands, Danish men console themselves with Sports, DIY and other non idealogical, apolitical diversions, leaving such things very often to what arguably passes for the female here. These `hobbies` are the only outlet left for men to express their masculinity, and the Danes do so with gusto. The Danish National Football (Soccer for North American readers) consistently outperforms sides from much larger countries, and Danish Boxers, although not truly World Class, are to be found around and about every weight division of the various Boxing Authorities. It is similarly the case with other sports. Gender Role confusion is rampant, particularly in young men and teenage boys. My own Step Son has confided in me many times that he just doesn't understand what girls expect of him. He tells me that they are impossibly argumentative, confrontational, show no respect for the masculine at all. He says that he would like to meet a nice girl and settle down, but he cannot imagine ever finding one. Danish girls play football, chew gum, shout and behave badly in public, dress slovenly, have bad attitudes and are generally not a good advertisement for the feminine at all. I myself, as a former `Guest Lecturer` have been dumbfounded at the open bias towards girls and young women in the schools and universities here. If anyone reading this doubts my accuracy, please check out the website of any Danish School or University. The preponderance of young women featured in the photographs on these web pages defies any such argument to the contrary. When a young male student is depicted, it is usually some unfortunately effeminate `girly boy`, with his girly hair and girly clothes complete with those hideous girly shoulder bags. The whole system here is set up to belittle and ridicule the masculine. How many nauseating times have I heard this phrase, " Macho man are really frightened little boys". How I hate that one, and challenge any `woman` to say that to my face. In conclusion, what has been done to Danish men is in many ways what is being done to men all across the world, only here, the condition is extreme. Nothing about the masculine is celebrated. Everything about the `Feminist` (note, I said feminist, not feminine) is automatically taken as being the accepted `Truth` and symbolically carved in stone. One last point, I was driving back from the local village a month or so ago when I saw some teen aged boys and girls playing football together. Not wishing to appear in any way strange, I parked up some distance away and watched, and saw that almost every time there was a disputed call, the referee (a non male) awarded the decision to the girls. Every time the boys scored, it was disallowed, every time a girl was tackled, she fell to the floor and was awarded a penalty. One could see the heads of the boys dropping, their enthusiasm and will to win being sucked from them, resigned to the hopelessness of their situation. What could they do, everything was against them. Of course, the girls won and jumped around , shouting and screaming, making fun of the opposing team. It was all rather sad, and in many ways, encapsulated what has become of the masculine in Danish Society. Every now and then though, one gets a glimpse of what once was, when Danish men were the terror of all `Christendom`, like when recently, the excellent Danish Boxer Mikkail Kessler won the WBA Super Middleweight Belt. In the Danish man, there is a sleeping warrior, waiting for his time to come. The only problem is, that if he waits too much longer, the Aspartame, Fluoride, 21 vaccines per child, Tetra Waves and all the other insidious weapons being used against him and the rest of humanity by the New World Order will have dumbed him down to such a level, that resistance will be impossible. So, `Sons of Thor` it's now or never. Take back what's yours by right of your ancestors blood and toil, and stop giving in. Turn off the TV, leave the DIY alone and open your eyes to what is being done to you and yours by a government who's only reason for being is to control you, and drip by sodden drip, take away all the fruits of your labour. Philip Jones. mailto:true_brit58@hotmail.co.uk - true_brit58@hotmail.co.uk http://www.savethemales.ca/ - henrymakow.com - exposing feminism and the new world order
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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 14:44
| Scandinavia has the freest, most democratic and least corrupted systems in the world. Yet the author equates that with Fascism. Though he do have a point about annoying feminists, he clearly is quite uniformed. |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 15:00
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 16:05
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The man is mad.
Apart from anything else men in the kind of societies he aspires to emulate remind me of the old joke about the marriage counsellor and the married couple....
Consellor: Well, in your marriage, who gets to make the decisions?
Wife: Oh... I make the little decisions, but of course my husband gets to make the important ones.
C: Ah...could you be more precise? What do you mean by little decisions?
W: Oh, I get to decide things like what we have to eat, what furniture we have, what kind of house we live in, where the children go to school, what jobs are good for my husband....
C: Yes, I see...and what would the important decisions be?
W: Oh, he gets to decide whether we should stay in Iraq, what to do about global warming, whether we should boycott the Olympics.... ------------- |
Posted By: Władysław Warnencz
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 17:03
Money,economy and democracy are not the most important things in a country.Even when those things are at hand we can witness the moral degradation of the nation and the death of all traditions and values. ------------- |
Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 17:18
Then you have to agree that we should abolish Christianity and all other imported ideas? |
Posted By: Władysław Warnencz
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 17:23
We should preserve Christian values and Christian traditions,which have been kept for more than a 1000 years in most European countries.
And you are right it is imported,because it hasn't been invented by humans,but given to us by God,thus making it more important than any idea or tradition invented by humans. ------------- |
Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 17:27
Ah, so we shouldn't actually stick to traditions, but to Christianity? This is an intellectual discussion, starting from the premises that Christianity is invented by man. |
Posted By: Władysław Warnencz
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 17:40
Why should we start for the premises that Christianity is invented by man?Simply because you are an atheist?Simply because modern propaganda says so?Or because there are no intelligent people among the christians? ------------- |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 18:22
Because it's the most likely situation. There's no reason to believe that any one religion is any better founded than any other. So, since all except one must have been invented by man, the odds are heavy that Christianity belongs to the majority.
(That's not actually necessarily an atheist view: it's perfectly possible to believe one or more gods exist, but that all extant (and past) religions were invented by men.)
In any case, what form of Christianity are you talking about?
PS: The original article is of course simply nuts, so much so that one wouldn't know where to start pointing it out. But
Tell that to the SS or the Red Army or even the Zimbabweans. Masculinity drives totalitarianism. ------------- |
Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 19:26
I'm not saying Christians are unintelligent, nor that I'm an atheist. There are two reasons: 1) there's simply no point in having an intelligent discussion if we assume that Christianity is a creation of god. 2) Christianity as a religion is without doubt a creation by man. The holy book - or rather the collection of books - is written by men, the traditions connected to the religion are in many cases older than the religion, and the traditions differ greatly between regions. |
Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 20:06
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The whole anti-christainty bias is completely off topic, Christianity is not a religion it's a relationship with God through Christ. I do agree about the feminists though, there are hundreds of movies that show women knocking out big powerful men and usually knocking out a tooth. However according to an orthropedic surgeon the small bones in a womans wrist and hand would shatter if she hit a mans rugged jawbone with any amount of force, even if she did knock out a tooth. What is it with these people and their whole anti- masculine thing?, all that is going to do is destroy whatever civilization (so called) that practices it. And who says Christianity is a creation of man ------------- 
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting) 
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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 20:17
Do you think movie fight scenes between men are realistic? |
Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 20:21
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They are more realistic than a woman knocking a big powerful man and I say that as a martial artist, and I would appreciate if you would not twist my statement around like that so you can attack it (straw man fallacy). -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 20:24
I'm not twisting your statement and it's not a strawman; I'm showing that the reason why women can knock out men in movies is not necessarily due to extreme feminism - almost all fight scenes in movies are ridiculously unrealistic. |
Posted By: King John
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 20:26
| I've seen women knock out men with out breaking a wrist or any other bone, so your post is absolutely ridiculous. As a martial artists you should know that big and powerful don't mean anything against somebody who is trained how to fight. |
Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 20:27
True but that is even ridiculous than usual. And does that make it better somehow? because evryone is doing it? why does hollywood insist on perpetuating this myth? now lets get back on topic shall we?. -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 20:32
It started as a pro-Christian one, with talk about 'the death of all traditions and morals, a thinly disguised reference - in the context of Denmark - to Christianity.
If a topic is going to be discussed, you're going to get pro one side and also pro the other. That's life.
And I don't think it is particularly off-topic. The original piece said
Nutty as it is, that - and the rest of the piece - nevertheless brings up a host of questions with regard to moral values and the conduct of society. Warnencz then wrote
and it was obvious, as he later confirmed, that he was talking about the death of Christian traditions and values, though he didn't at first want to commit himself. It seems perfectly reasonable to me that Styrbiorn should ask him to clarify.
Incidentally "Christianity is not a religion" is also one of the nuttiest staements I've come across in a long time.
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Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 20:35
I know but when the woman in question throws a throws a haymaker?????????  , and where have you seen women knock out men????????, and where did they hit them??????? and how strong was the woman and how strong and big was the man???????? -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 20:38
You're the one who introduced Hollywood movies into the subject. Look after the beam in your own eye first.
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Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 20:40
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That has nothing to do with it, I introduced that as an example. -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 20:43
There should be a name for this condition. How would 'philomuotrotosia' do? ------------- |
Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 20:45
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When you insult someone you've already lost the argument. -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 20:50
What insult? What do you make the Greek to mean? ------------- |
Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 21:12
Where did this wackjob find my picture?  Anyway, I could write pages commenting on the idiocy of this essay, but that would mean I'd actually let the author impact my life, so that's out of the question. I would like to address a more general problem though, which is how many foreigners try to find their idea of "vikings" in modern day Scandinavia. The Viking Age is well-known internationally, but most are ignorant of the period in between then and now, in which Scandinavia went through many changes. If you could still find vikings in Scandinavia today we'd be the least developed nations in the world. You might as well go to Japan looking for samurai or to Baghdad seeking an audience with the Caliph. It's true that feminism is probably stronger here than most other places, but that's all for the better, especially for us girlyboys who wear shoulderbags. ------------- |
Posted By: King John
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 21:18
Yeah, she threw a "haymaker." I saw it first hand at a party when a girl I was dating knocked out a 6'4 220Lbs ex-boyfriend right in front of me. Mind you that the girl in question here was 5'5 and 130lbs (soaking wet) and not particularly strong. She landed her "haymaker" right on the chin and he folded like an accordion. All she had was a scratch on her knuckle, no broken bones. She had done some martial arts, hence my statement earlier about being trained and eliminating the advantage of being bigger and more powerful than one's opponent. |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2008 at 23:17
 lol
This is my response to the essay that started the thread. I haven't read the comments yet. What a pathetic, scared man the author is. He is afraid that women play football?! This scares him? Maybe he does well hiding in his Hollywood fantasies of "manliness." There is a paradox about masculinism. If you are actually strong as a male, having women accomplishing things shouldn't frighten you. In fact, whining about how women control you is, well, um, unmanly. As unmanly as you can get. Poor man! He is so frighten that a woman can outdo him that he equates this possibility with fascism. Maybe he should move to the mountains to live with the Taliban. They seem to fit his sad, poor definition of what true men are. Instead, he appears to stay put in that nightmarish dictatorship that Denmark is.------------- |
Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 00:37
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How did Mankind get so completely twisted around? -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 00:49
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Yeah, she threw a "haymaker." I saw it first hand at a party when a girl I was dating knocked out a 6'4 220Lbs ex-boyfriend right in front of me. Mind you that the girl in question here was 5'5 and 130lbs (soaking wet) and not particularly strong. She landed her "haymaker" right on the chin and he folded like an accordion. All she had was a scratch on her knuckle, no broken bones. She had done some martial arts, hence my statement earlier about being trained and eliminating the advantage of being bigger and more
powerful than one's opponent. [/QUOTE]
Your word against an orthropedic surgeon and a martial artist cool. I've been hit by a girl who was five two and she had tons martial arts training and she was fairly strong and she weighed around two hundred pounds, and it didn't harm me in any way and I'm not six four. I think you may be exaggerating a little bit. -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 09:06
So what? That she didn't harm you doesn't mean that no woman is able to harm any man. |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 11:33
Philomuotrotosia rules!
I only invented the word yesterday and it turns up already on Google. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 14:37
forum_posts.asp?TID=25118&PID=472986 - History Forum ~ All Empires : In Defence of Danish manhoodHow would 'philomuotrotosia' do? Citizen of Ankh-Morpork Never believe anything until it has been officially denied - Sir Humphrey Appleby, 1984. ...
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Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 15:14
Thats not what I meant, please don't twist my words aroud like that again, and no self respecting martial artist throws a haymaker. -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: King John
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 16:04
It seems to me that the author of this essay is not very secure in his masculinity. He shouldn't be threatened by feminists and women doing masculine activities. |
Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 17:20
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Thats not what threatens him, its the female gender getting special treatment while men are treated like dirt, where's the equality in that? -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 17:53
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How is beating up a man getting special treatment? Besides, the author is unhappy that women can do "masculine" things.
Boy, I wish more women did masculine things when I was a little kid. Then I would have done nothing but play American football with women  ------------- |
Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 17:55
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Thats not what he's saying. -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 18:19
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Glorifying Norse masculinity by lustful fantasy highlighting examples in Viking history as compared to placing blame on current Danish society and government policies for the "effeminate" male population says a lot about the author. I didn't read about any specific examples though. How is masulinity declining? I didn't know it was. Is the "fascist state" to blame? If so then what did they do to make girly men out of boys?
Looks like the guy who wrote the article is blurting out an anti-feminist agenda. ------------- |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 18:21
The nuttiness comes in the idea that men are treated like dirt. Of course in some ways women get special treatment. Men for instance don't get scans for breast cancer. On the other hand women aren't allowed to get treatment for prostate cancer.
And of course there's nothing remotely 'masculine' about having big muscles and beating people up. Concentrating on that is just a sign of feeling inferior. ------------- |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 19:53
Oh, yes he is:
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Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 19:58
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[/QUOTE] And of course there's nothing remotely 'masculine' about having big muscles and beating people up. Concentrating on that is just a sign of feeling inferior. [/QUOTE]
I agree thats not what masculinity is supposed too be, to me it's means a man who is responsible, caring, mature, respectful, who loves his wife and children and he won't neglect them in favor of his career and he can defend them if he has to. -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 20:09
So hardly your sterotypical Viking? ------------- |
Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 20:26
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There's no such thing as a "steriotypical" person. -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: Northman
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 21:29
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I probably should stay of of this, but as the only male dane on AE, I allow myself to make a few comments. I'll use one random example (out of many) to prove my point by changing one of the authors sentences a little...
Boys play football, chew gum, shout and behave badly in public, dress slovenly, have bad attitudes.
Nothing wrong with that - thats what most boys do in the western world.
What he really said was....
Danish girls play football, chew gum, shout and behave badly in public, dress slovenly, have bad attitudes.
Now its wrong, bad and disgusting from his POV.
So according to him, boys and girls are not equal - and you can draw the same line through the whole essay. Women and girls should not behave like men and boys - they are not equal to us. They must be controlled and learn to know their place and behave accordingly.
I have travelled a great deal and I still do, and one thing that always were quite obvious, was the male superiority in most other societies - and very noticable on the family level. Quite a difference from what I find natural and how I think it should be.
I think the author is a scared little man - he feels his male domination threatened if the situation in Denmark should spread to his part of the world.
Well, I have news for him. His tribal macho attitude is slowly disintergrating. He is just at the same stage as we were 50 or 60 years back where daddy was the sole provider and the ultimate dominator of the family.
I'm happy to be able to report that we are past that stage of development in certain parts of Northern Europe, Scandinavia, and in this case specifically, Denmark. Women/girls are valued counterparts and we see them as equal partners in our lives, not an inferior species.
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Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2008 at 23:02
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So back in the fifty's women were treated like an inferior species? according to my Dad my Mom and my grandparents women were never treated like that and the fifty's were, according to them, one of the best decades this nation has ever seen, and a girl who tries to be boy has serious problems, women should act ladylike and men should gentlemanly. -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2008 at 14:23
By the 'fifties it was already changing in most places. But yes, still then on TV and in the movies and the magazines, women were widely supposed to have their 'proper place' in the home, in the kitchen, bringing up the children and not competing with men in professional activities - except teaching children - or having a serious business career, because they could never match men in those 'important' affairs.
That's treating them as an inferior species (though again I emphasise that by the 'fifties the tide was begnning to turn, partly as a result of the war, and partly actually because of the attitude of the Communist countries (though even there women never really scaled the heights of power).
Ask them about washing powder commercials. And Doris Day films.
Why? And anyway we're not talking about girls 'trying to be boys' but girls competing with boys.
But I'll go along with the 'fifties actually being a great decade, in that it was the most optimistic of any since Edwardian times.
Backtracking a bit:
What's wrong with substituting 'her' for 'his' and 'she' for 'he' (and 'husband' for 'wife') throughout that last part?
Are you implying that only he should have a career?
How would you define femininity?
And you seem to be implying some kind of anarchic state in which the individual's responsibilities are only to his own family. ------------- |
Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2008 at 15:20
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Thats not what I meant, I know a woman who is ashamed because her new baby is a girl in fact when her mother in law sent a sweater to the baby the mom sent it back becuase it had a "feminine" theme. I define femininity as a woman who is polite, courteous, Godly, and who is not afraid to wear makeup thinking it will somehow "degrade" her, you should talk to my mom on some of this stuff. What should a Man be responsible to? his governmet? his career? at the neglect of his family like millions of americans do today? I have a lot of freinds who have parents like that, is that what you want?. -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: Northman
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2008 at 17:08
I think you miss the point CB - maybe this article in a womens magazine in 1955 can convince you that women were, and still are in many places, inferior to men.
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2008 at 18:38
What has 'Godly' got to do with it? Are you suggesting only women who believe in God can be feminine? Which God, or will any one do?
I've yet to come across any woman, including some who have had considerable success in business, the professions and even the army, who thinks wearing make-up 'degrades' anyone. It doesn't degrade men either for that matter. And the need to be polite and courteous is just as important for men as for women.
People should also be responsible to society (which is one of the reasons they should not neglect their children). I don't know what you mean by being responsible 'to his career', but it is also true that people should live up to ethical codes of their profession or vocation. A doctor's responsibility to a patient is the same whether the doctor (or the patient) is a woman or a man. Same goes for lawyer and client, or realtor and client. And so on.
In what ways someone should be responsible to society is a matter for political discussion, but it is the same for men and women. ------------- |
Posted By: Carpathian Wolf
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2008 at 19:02
| I think fenemism started with good intentions of equality. But growing up in America i was awe struck at the female favoring bias around. I always viewed men and women as equal. I don't believe in stupid rules like "don't hit girls." My mother taught me that if anyone threatens my well being I defend myself. But if you watch even a few days of American tv you see men being rideculed much more often. Femenism no longer seeks equality, but superiority spreading propagandist non sense. Men are big lumbering animals that eat sleep and only want to get in your pants while the women are powerful individuals that must tame and train these brutes. Of course that is only if you fancy men. It's funny reading some stupidities concerning sex today. During the puritan movement women weren't to really enjoy sex, now it is the other way around. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2008 at 19:30
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...and that is why women still on average get much less than a man in the job market... if we had a female favoring bias, maybe that inequality that is very real and insulting
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2008 at 20:02
Yep, lots of preference for women here. That is why there is an income gap between women and men, where women get about .75 cents for every dollar a man earns for the same kind of work. This is true even in Hollywood, where male actors make more money than female ones. ------------- |
Posted By: Carpathian Wolf
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2008 at 22:20
| I'm not denying that there is bias agaisnt women pay wise, but you can not deny the social media bias that favor women over men. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2008 at 22:27
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... again that is why the media portrays women as whores if they choose to have sex, while the men in the media are more or less praised for the same actions...
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Posted By: Carpathian Wolf
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2008 at 22:49
Your sarcasm is boring me.
I didn't say the media was fully in favor of women, sexism exists against both genders, I was simply affirming some aspects of this article.
And to be honest women havn't been viewed as whores for having sex since the 60s. Maybe you mean sleeping around and having casual sex? Sorry, that sort of stopped in the late 90s. I personally view any gender sleeping around as a bit whorish but to each his own.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2008 at 22:55
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You need to wake up if you sincerely think that women are not viewed negatiely for excercising their own right in that aspect.
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Posted By: Carpathian Wolf
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2008 at 23:08
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Everyone is viewed in a negative way for everything by a certain member. For the most part the one calling women whores are other women anyway. So what can you do... |
Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2008 at 17:11
Thats not what I meant I would appreciate it if wouldn't twist my statemnet around like that again (straw man fallacy), when I say Godly I'm talking about the God of the bible, and no I'm not saying it's okay for the women to neglect their family's, again straw man fallacy, as for women thining makeup degrades them, clearly you've never been to colarado. -------------
Defenders of Ulthuan, Cult of Asuryan (57 Kills and counting)
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2008 at 20:04
What did I twist?
That'se not 'twisting' what you said. And incidentally, like most people here, I know what a 'straw man' argument is.
You said men should not neglect their families. You didn't mention it with regard to women.
Well, I agree that's true, and I probably never will now. But I've been to all the North-Eastern states, Georgia, Alabama, the Carolinas, Virginia and California, as well as many other countries altogether, and I have an American wife, and I had a couple of American affairs before that, and so far I've never come across a woman who didn't make up to some degree, and never one who thought that 'degraded' her. And you can include in that a whole Primitive Baptist community that my wife's family belonged to and a series of their ministers' wives.
I've never visited Colorado. You appear to have never visited planet Earth.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2008 at 21:07
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I'll say nothing, except I think the 50's are hardly representative of previous eras, it was more conservative with regard to roles than any time since 1900's. Effect of the war I guess. Also if I was a dane, I would worry more about whether or not the socialist paradise can be maintained in a fiscally responsible manner over the next few decades than "feminising men".
Finally, why are Anglophone middle class values being presented as the norm? In most societys men do know how to sew. ------------- |
Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2008 at 22:20
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This whole arguement explores the roles expected of men and women and how that is played out. The position of equality has been defended as well as the position from the Bible and non-Anglo communities, somewhat. Is there a right or wrong without going to extremes? ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2008 at 22:48
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In Germany its taught to grade school students regardless of sex in crafts class. ------------- |
Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2008 at 22:52
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I missed something there. What is taught? ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2008 at 03:07
Forgot to qoute Sparten's post. Sewing is taught to both sexes in grade school in pretty much all Bavarian schools. ------------- |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2010 at 20:06
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So,based upon the last posts above, one might well assume that one "Sews what one shall reap?"
And, even though I made a funny, it may well still be true? ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2010 at 09:30
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As this thread could become popular again, I will take a minute to point out that 2 of the respondents were banned for ultra nationalist and racist posts. [I know this because I was the one who banned them both.] So please, be careful. ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |