Were the Illyrians same as Greeks?

or were they similar races?

Its imposible to find any inscription written in Illyrian language, everything is in Greek.

What makes an Illyrian different from a Greek?

I am not a historian, so I would be pleased knowing something elegant about this?

Thank you.

 

Yes, Illyria was simply made up of bunch of non-Greek tribes. The largest of these were the Dardanoi(Dardanians).

 

I got your point. Basicly you are saying that Polibius confirms the need of interpreters for Macedonians to understand Illyrians.

Nevertheless after a search in the Polybius book 28.8.9, I found that he mentions Pleuratos having knowledge in Illyrian DIALEKTOS. That means that macedonian, greek and illyrian were dialects for each other, therefore intelegible for everyone in the region. Pleuratos was need for a diplomatic hard conversation and he knew their DIALECT being illyrian.

 

I dont agree with that. Can you please bring some evidence here?

 

One of the Dardanian largest tribes was called CHELIDONES, the same as a greek tribe in the heart of Hellas, Peloponnesus. What do you call this?

I dont think that they were very different from each other nither,the fact that in Albania exists cities more then 2000 years history, (Durres has 3000 Years history i think) proves the point that if they were not people of the same culture who freely interacted with each other then it would not have been posible for that culture to have been preserved there from ancient times up to the fall of the Ottoman empire.

 

Another very important factor is the presence of Albanian speaking people in Greece which have been an majority in many places in Greece untill the fall of the Ottomans and the creation of the balkan nationalism.

 

This can not be ignored.

 

My thoughts exactly. There is ample enough evidence in this thread already proving that the Illyrians were not Greek.

 

As for the Vucedols being there before the Illyrians,the accepted theory among historians is that before Illyrians there were the pelasgians,who may come in the names of Vucedols among others,as latter the Greeks came in the names of Spartans among others,and Illyrians in the name of epirotas among others

 

I dont see how they were different,or how they could have been more different that they were under the Ottoman empire or that they are today.

 

If you know you can tell me.

So i going to acept the fact epirotans were Greeks,but in return you have to acept Greeks spoke Albanian.Hard to digest????Well my friend whoever Illyrians were i dont care,concrete evidence shows that Albanian language ,folk and traditions dominate overwelmingly in the Epiros region and as long as there is concrete historical evidence to go by,they always did.

 

Dont make me now go to the Epiros topic,cause we will go to endless debate ,not through any fault of mine i am afraid.

 

The fact that a region as epiros has had both Albanians and Greeks who were almost unrecognisible in traditions,tells one that this two people could not have been very different even before.

 

 

Originally posted by HEROI Dont make me now go to the Epiros topic,cause we will go to endless debate ,not through any fault of mine i am afraid.   The fact that a region as epiros has had both Albanians and Greeks who were almost unrecognisible in traditions,tells one that this two people could not have been very different even before.

Oh please I can do that...don't worry. I can go through all the latest epic albanian discoveries...Kemal Ataturk the Albanian for instance


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I am saing that Epiros for as long as concreete historical evidence exists was and still remains an albanian speaking region.

You dont agree with this??

Most of what is today Greece was not inhabited by Greek speaking people during Ottoman empire,as for before that ,i told you is a matter of opinion ,you and i can not prove anything.

 

 

Originally posted by Gentjan Greeks have not existed in antiquity as a nation, except as crop called "Greek" which regards except the people who created it Pelasgians-Illyrians crop. Everything different from this, is the invention of pseudo nonsense modern science recent centuries. So, the ancient Greek language education was the Pelasgians - Illyrians, Greeks were not people but culture. None of the ancient authors wrote that the Greeks were not people, because it was culture so "ancient Greek" disappeared into the depths of centuries, people Enders language (Albanian) pelasgians- ages Illyrians survived until our days.

Ridiculous baseless with no evidence whatso ever. Pelasgians never mentioned in Albania or Illyria. 

The Greek  like all languages had dialects and were organized early on into tribal societies isolated in a mountainous country with islands.