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Topic: Bear vs Gorilla
Posted By: xi_tujue
Subject: Bear vs Gorilla
Date Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 20:37
discuss

Inspired by

shark vs croc
Tiger vs Lion

Wink

I have allways wondered who would win


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Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 21:04
Oh man, this is a hard one! No one really thinks of Gorilla's as dangerous, but they are tough!

I think the bear would rear up on its hind legs and roar at the gorilla, and the gorilla would roar back and beat its chest. They would get in a shoving match, and the think the gorilla might have the edge in that.

I think the gorilla would probably kill the bear, but later die of many deep scratches and bites...


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Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 21:17
Polar bear


VS

Eastern Lowland Gorilla(silverback)




super duper heavyweight wrestling match Tongue


tbh the gorilla would be the underdogg because the polar bear can way 2x as much as a gorilla and Polar bears are the smartes bears






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Posted By: Brian J Checco
Date Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 21:49
i like the gorilla in this one. sixth round, by a knockout. are they using gloves, or bare("bear")-knuckling?


Posted By: Darius of Parsa
Date Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 23:31
The bear would overcome the gorrila, a full size grizzly or polar bear would be a tough challenge to every animal.
 
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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 11-Dec-2007 at 09:01
the gorilla has the edge, i think their stronger and they're smarter to. And being specific to which bear would make a difference, big differences between a sun bear vs Kodiak or a sloth bear vs a grizzly. it would have to be at least a polar or a brown type to have a chance.


Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 11-Dec-2007 at 11:07
Very true Leonidas. If it was a Kodiak or a Polar bear, it evens it out more.

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Posted By: Sun Tzu
Date Posted: 11-Dec-2007 at 13:00
ya Kodiaks are huge and very powerful, and they have sharp claws, and can sprint at speeds of 30-40 mph

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Posted By: ConradWeiser
Date Posted: 11-Dec-2007 at 18:13
Polar Bears would murder Gorillas... They can get to a height of 10 feet when standing on their hind legs...the largest polar bear stood 12 feet at the shoulder...
 
Gorilla would definately win against Black Bears, Sloth Bears, etc. Specially Mountain or Silverbacks Gorillas.


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Posted By: Malik
Date Posted: 12-Dec-2007 at 00:58
Depends on the type of bear,really.I dont think a Gorilla can defeat  a grizzly or a polar bear.


Posted By: Knights
Date Posted: 19-Dec-2007 at 05:23
A brown bear or Polar bear could easily defeat even an enraged silverback, but any smaller bear would be as good as dead. 

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Posted By: MitJD
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2010 at 17:34
Gorillas are just too powerful. I think bears are strong, but the gorilla is big and will need to use their powerful muscles to win this one.


Posted By: kalhur
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2010 at 20:37
 i absolutly supprt the gorilla. maybe you believe i am biased, because i look like a gorillaLOL


Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2010 at 20:40
Originally posted by MitJD

Gorillas are just too powerful. I think bears are strong, but the gorilla is big and will need to use their powerful muscles to win this one.


Don't underestimate not only a bear's intelligence but how powerful they are. I have seen the claws on a 900 pound Montana grizzly and it is scary and they have really sharp teeth. I have spent a lot of time in the wilds of North America and both animals can do damage. Bears are next to primates in intelligence so don't underestimate them.

I read that in California, in the 1800's, they wanted to pit a 1300 pound California grizzley against a 700 pound African lion but the humane Society got wind of it. It never happened but I did not realize the Humane Society was so old.

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Posted By: Kanas_Krumesis
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2010 at 09:36
I don`t think that Gorilla have any chance against Brown or Polar Bear. There are many cases when male Brown Bears from Siberia killed Siberian Tigers. Gorilla isn`t even a predator.


Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2010 at 15:06
An interesting scenerio to be sure! I think that if the gorilla is as smart as we believe it to be, that it is his intelligence that would work to his advantage!

For him to win, if there were trees available for climbing, he might well be able to get some advantage over a bear and even a tree climbing bear, because of his enormous strength in his hands and arms!

While I have no evidence to show, it seems a gorilla would be a lot like a human and able to swing his fists as punches or even very great slaps! If the gorilla was able to convince himself that this was a fight to the death, and his opponent was wiley and even larger than himself, then the gorilla might well try to obtain an advantage by getting onto the back of the bear?

In this position, he might well be able to exert some great leverage upon the bear, via the great strength of his hands and arms! Of course his great teeth would also be able to do great harm to the bears head and neck, during this battle, and I just do not know the physical advantage the longer arms of the gorilla might have in over coming the great neck strenght of the bear?

So, to make it short; If the gorilla was able to obtain a grasp upon the bear from the back of the bear, then I would predict the gorilla would eventually be able to either strangle the bear to death, of pull apart his jaws, or bite thru the bears skull or neck, and thus cause the bear to die!

But, what do I know?

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Posted By: MitJD
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2010 at 13:43
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis

I don`t think that Gorilla have any chance against Brown or Polar Bear. There are many cases when male Brown Bears from Siberia killed Siberian Tigers. Gorilla isn`t even a predator.
Evern though I said the Gorilla would win, I have to give it to you that what you're saying is true. A Brown or Polar Bear could easily defeat a gorilla, but I also think that a gorilla could easily defeat a Brown or Polar Bear. The scenario would really matter. 


Posted By: Bean Gas
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2010 at 16:21
Gorilla ofcourse due to it's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVAP5qWnBek">superior intelligence Wink

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Posted By: Night Crawler
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2010 at 02:03
The Bear  (Griz. Kod, or Pol but not the black bear) becuase of the Claws!!!!!!!  http://skolaiimages.com/journal/2010/03/04/bear-claws-black-polar-and-grizzly-bear-claws/ - http://skolaiimages.com/journal/2010/03/04/bear-claws-black-polar-and-grizzly-bear-claws/
 
http://skolaiimages.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/claws.jpg">Comparison of Grizzly bear, black bear and polar bear claws

Comparison of Bear claws - black bear (Ursus americanus) claws, polar bear (Ursus maritimus), grizzly bear (Ursus arctos) and Kodiak bear claws. Please click on the image for a larger version of this photo.

Hey Folks,

I thought I’d post this shot, as it might be of interest to some folks. From left to right, the claws are: black bear, polar bear, grizzly bear, coastal brown bear or Kodiak bear.The polar bear is the only true carnivore out of those species, but it’s claws are but a fraction of the size of those belonging to the great grizzly, and in particular, the coastal brown bear.

Bear claws, and particularly the grizzly claws, were long revered as a symbol of power, both physical and spiritual, to many Native American Indian cultures; wearing the bear claw was often only an earned respect. Anyone’s who’s seen such fearsome weaponry up close can attest as to why.



Posted By: DreamWeaver
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2010 at 04:56
Im gonna say Bear, though it does really depend on the kind of bear.

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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2010 at 15:57
But, a lowland silver back, with an eight foot arm span, and the strength of three men (at least), and with a mighty jaw and great teeth, might make a favorable opponent to almost any bear if threatened and with no means of retreat?

This fight, if taken to the point of best three out of five, might well be one of the most interesting of all of the fights proposed?

I always loved "Mighty Joe Young!"

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Posted By: Aijn
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2010 at 16:38
Originally posted by Bean Gas

Gorilla ofcourse due to it's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVAP5qWnBek">superior intelligence Wink

would run for the nearest tree


Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2010 at 17:21
But, all bears can also climb trees!

Well, I am not too sure about Polar Bears?

But, I would well not think that one hungry enough could not climb one!

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Posted By: ranjithvnambiar
Date Posted: 29-Oct-2010 at 08:30
My understanding is that a Gorilla is not a match for a Kodiak bear.

Here are some Gorilla Photos








Posted By: ranjithvnambiar
Date Posted: 29-Oct-2010 at 08:39
Here are some Kodiak bear photos







Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2010 at 18:12
Again, I would propose that it is all in the savy of the animals! That is a lot of Gorilla power is reserved for bluff, and feint attacks, at least that is what I have gotten from watching gorillas in the wild via movies, vids, etc., as well as first hand accounts!

However, the strength of a large type of gorilla, if they are pound for pound as strong as a chimpanze, whoud be enormous! Even a fifty or sixty pound young chimp is far stronger than most strong humans! At least that is what I have been led to believe!

Transfer that to a 600 lb SilverBack, in the same proportions and the strength in the gorilla grows to something extrodinary! Thus, I would think that four of our strongest 350 lb men would probably face death fighting just one 600 lb gorilla!

Now just how much stronger, especially in the arms, and jaw catagory would a 1,000 lb bear have? Or would he via leverage, have any advantage? Of course those long bear claws (boy I like to eat them ) would have to be avoided since the gorilla has nothing more than finger nails much like a human!

But, again, I feel that if the gorilla was scared to near death, and it was no longer a chance of flight,then he might well be able to secure a place upon the backside of the bear? Note that the gorillas feet are also prehensile and graspable but I know nothing concerning their possible strength, so I must consider the strength of a humans leg as opposed to their arms and apply the same considerations, and thus assume that the legs and feet of a gorilla might well follow the pattern of humans and be about twice as strong?

Taking all of this into consideration (since this entire thread is based upon notions about which we have no real knowledge) then the gorilla, if it is able to gain an advantageous position, upon the back and front shoulders of any 1,000 to 1,500 lb. bear, then he might well win the encounter? But,if the bear is able to obtain the upper position or grasp the gorilla in a "bear hug" bringing into account both the great clawing power and jaw power from an above position, the the gorilla is probably just dead meat!

But it is fun considering such things, as horrible as they might well be, if seen in real life!

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Posted By: Alizxa
Date Posted: 10-Nov-2010 at 03:12
I gotta say... this is one of the BEST and well thought out questions. Even though it's in the Martial Art section it's 100 fold better than the Kimbo and Ninja questions of "who'd win" !!!

I'm back and forth on it. Equal weight here (heavy for a Gorilla, light for a Bear) the Bear has claws and teeth and bites and strikes well yet the Gorilla is 20 times stronger then man and over 10 times the agility which means to me that the Gorilla could out maneuver the Bear. The Gorilla is smarter then the Bear so let's not forget the mental factor of combat.

The Gorilla's strength would enable the ability to tear limbs.
In the end for speed, agility, overall strength and ultimately SMARTS, I'd have to give it to the Gorilla.

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Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 10-Nov-2010 at 10:29
Originally posted by Alizxa


I'm back and forth on it. Equal weight here (heavy for a Gorilla, light for a Bear) the Bear has claws and teeth and bites and strikes well yet the Gorilla is 20 times stronger then man and over 10 times the agility which means to me that the Gorilla could out maneuver the Bear. The Gorilla is smarter then the Bear so let's not forget the mental factor of combat.

The Gorilla's strength would enable the ability to tear limbs.
In the end for speed, agility, overall strength and ultimately SMARTS, I'd have to give it to the Gorilla.
I agree completely.   With their strength and versatility, a gorilla is probably the best pound for pound fighter on earth.


Posted By: ranjithvnambiar
Date Posted: 11-Nov-2010 at 09:05
I think most of the views here are prejudiced giving an upperhand to Gorilla.
Gorilla may be 10 times stronger than a human,but how strong is a human even when compared with a small Indian sloth bear..?

Here is a comparitive analysis of a kodiak bear vs.polar bear

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/Polar-bears-grizzly-bears.htm - http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/Polar-bears-grizzly-bears.htm


Now whether a Gorilla wins over a grizzly or vice versa is left to you


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Dec-2010 at 18:52
I think it's the gorrilla...not so sure. Disapprove


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Dec-2010 at 18:53
Originally posted by ranjithvnambiar

My understanding is that a Gorilla is not a match for a Kodiak bear.

Here are some Gorilla Photos






They freak me out! Confused


Posted By: Prime
Date Posted: 03-Dec-2014 at 15:45


PANTHER BEATS HUGE GORILLA

But Victor Defies Efforts To Tend Wounds Received In Gory Battle SPOKANE, July 23 —(JP>— A sleek, powerful black panther, who tore a 300-pound gorilla apart in a long gory struggle, paced back and forth in his cage today, defying- efforts to tend wounds he suffered in the fight. The panther slipped under an unlatched 'gate at a 'wild animal show last night and pounced on the ape in an adjoining cage while nearly 400 • spectators watched in terror. ; They founght for more than two hours and at the end, the gorilla was shot and killed by attendants who were unable to separate them. The panther had torn off the gorilla's right arm and was clawing and chewing at his victim as the ape fought flat on his 'back. A huge lion in an adjacent cage slammed against his bars in an attempt to get •• into the fight. Shrieks of pain and .anger -from the battlecage Could be heard for almost a mile. ' . Sheriff Ralph Smith made a personal inspection of all the cages today and said he would permit the show to go on.. He said he wassatisfied that all were strong enough to keep the-animals from getting free. . The show was held at Liberty lake resort, 15 miles east?- of here. An attendant, who was discharged today, had left a connecting gate open between the cages, permitting the panther to get at the ape. . Ruby Smith, -trainer and part owner of the show, said the animals had been "feuding" since the cat tried to claw a'- the gorilla through the bars- three weeks ago
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gs8_fFim62AJ:http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/30231236/+site:newspapers.com+panther+fought+gorilla+arm&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&prmd=ivns&strip=1 - http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gs8_fFim62AJ:http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/30231236/+site:newspapers.com+panther+fought+gorilla+arm&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&prmd=ivns&strip=1


(Leopards killed 4+ gorillas)
http://www.berggorilla.org/en/gorillas/general/everyday-life/do-gorillas-have-enemies/ - http://www.berggorilla.org/en/gorillas/general/everyday-life/do-gorillas-have-enemies/


Dont know how reliable these are, but according from some scat analysis, leopards were found eating gorillas:
http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9381679/1/ - http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9381679/1/


The gorilla has a hard time with leopards, a bear should have the advantage of more killer instincts, claws and the need to eat meat, funny though, where gorillas fail on leopards, grizzly bears even up to 1,000 lbs are killed by pumas. But since there is no fighting feats for the gorilla, its in favor for the bear.

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Posted By: J.A.W.
Date Posted: 09-Jun-2015 at 19:19
The only way a Gorilla could win is if it received an intensive
fight training program, in which it learned effective methods
of evading the bears standard attack profile, & then defeating
it by using its strengths..

Grabbing the bears forelimbs, avoiding the claws & twisting them
out of the shoulder sockets, dislocating them..

Using hand grasp to force the bears lips over its teeth, a method
used by humans to prevent dog bites..

A headlock chokehold from behind, keeping out of reach of he bears weaponry..

Eye gouging, testicle twisting, trachea grasping & other 'dirty'
humanoid fighting tricks ought to be trained to the primate..


Aikido directional force techniques, joint grips & take down moves
could be trained too..

Properly prepared in this way, the brother from another mother
oughta be able to wipe the floor with the dumpster diving downtown brown..

Might make a good pay-per-view..

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Posted By: J.A.W.
Date Posted: 19-Jun-2015 at 00:03
Curiously, there are a number of recorded instances of various primates being pitted against game fighting dogs, from monkeys & baboons through to apes such as gorillas & even humans..

By & large, our brethren acquit themselves rather well too, generally winning - esp' when properly trained/skilled..

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