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where were the mongols during han dynasty? xiongnu?

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Topic: where were the mongols during han dynasty? xiongnu?

Posted By: coolstorm
Subject: where were the mongols during han dynasty? xiongnu?
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2005 at 02:16

during the han dynasty, the xiongnu tribes controlled the mongolia grassland. where were the mongols?

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Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2005 at 08:10

The Xianbei and Wuhuan were living in Southwestern Manchuria.

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Posted By: El_Bandito
Date Posted: 13-Feb-2005 at 21:53

Some say they were the Xianbei, others claim they were the Donghu, the enemy of Xiongnu. Lived further north than present Mongolia.

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Posted By: Yungsiyebu_Uriankhai
Date Posted: 14-Feb-2005 at 21:51

Originally posted by ihsan

The Xianbei and Wuhuan were living in Southwestern Manchuria.

Southern Xian-bei and Wu-huan were mainly living in today's Juu uda(chi'feng) and Jurimu(tong'liao) League of Southeastern Inner Mongolia, Although today's Southwestern Manchuria was also under their control. and their eastern neighbors were Fu-yu and Go-ju-li, but not the Tungus tribes that were the northern neighbors of Fu-yu and Go-ju-li. Fu-yu, Go-ju-li, and their descendants Bo-hai were more related to today's Koreans but not Manchus or Tungus. I think those proto-koreans farmers in today's Southern Manchuria never really threaten their western neighbors Donghu, Xian-bei, and Khitan, untill their last Kingdom Bo-hai was destroyed by Khitans, and their people were replaced by their northern neighbors Jurchens(the ancestors of the Manchus, the descendants of Su-shen and Wu-ji), who and whose ancestors were ruled by those proto-korean nations for several centuries.

Xian-bei and Wu-huan(who was conquered by Xian-bei later) were descended from Dong-hu whose kingdom was destroyed by Mudun's Xiong-nu, Khitans and Kumosi(who was conquered by Khitans later) were directly from Yu-wen tribe, who was called Xiong-nu by Toba Xian-bei, but they were in fact the descendants of both Xian-bei and Southern Xiong-nu, just like Toba Xian-bei themselves.

Northern Xian-bei, mixed with Northern Xiong-nu, were the ancestors of Toba Xian-bei and Ro-ran, and Ro-ran should be the most direct ancestors of Chinggis Khan's Mongols, of course, some sholars also urge that Chinggis Khan's Mongols were descended from Shi-wei(one of Xian-bei tribes leave in today's Hulun bair league of Inner Mongolia, Northern Xian-bei's original homeland) or Qi-yuan, one of 12 Gao-che(Tie-le) tribes.

Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2005 at 17:45

I don't think "Chinggisid" Mongols descended from the Rouran, most of the Rouran were massacred by the G�k T�rks.

The Mongols of Chinggis Khaan descended from the Shiwei.

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