Does anyone know...
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Topic: Does anyone know...
Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Subject: Does anyone know...
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2007 at 15:57
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... if it is possible to get decent weapons/combat training
without actually joining the army (in California)? Is this possible...
and if so, is it legal? Any suggestions or comments will be helpful. So
far I have only found centers in far-flung places or centers which are
directly affiliated with the army.
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Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2007 at 18:19
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Well, I think there are some militias in...some midwestern state, Montana? Michicgan?, or something you could join. You could also buy army manuals, or a gang! Although I've heard some gangs send guys to join the army so they come back with urban fighting techniques...kinda scary!
------------- Concrete is heavy; iron is hard--but the grass will prevail. Edward Abbey |
Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2007 at 19:21
Hmmm. I had found a pretty good-looking academy in Florida which teaches all sorts of stuff about combat from close quarter fighting to defensive driving to sniping. Their instructors were all former servicemen and they were all pros in their field of specialty. I don't know if I can go to another state to train though!
Thats a good idea, although I'd much rather prefer to be trained hands-on by a professional.
Yea I really don't like gangs, especially the ones in L.A., many of which are based on ethnic lines. You're right about gangs sending guys to the army to come back with fighting skills.... Neo-Nazis have sent thousands of their followers to the army and subsequently to Iraq, because they said that in the upcoming "race war" the infantryman will be the most valuable soldier, because he will be the one going door-to-door to kill all the lesser races 
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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2007 at 20:57
Illegally, you can get anything if you have money and connections. 
I am not sure about arm control policies in US. Don't you have the right to bear arms? I mean, the news said that the student responsible for Virgina shootout purchased the weapons pretty easily? And the purchase was legal, right?
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Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2007 at 21:40
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Yes some firearms are available to anyone with a
license. I want to learn how to use these arms from professionals, and
also how to use other arms which are used in wartime situations, as well as basic skills I can use in wartime. Basically, I want to be trained like a soldier without actually having to join the army. ------------- Mass Murderers Agree: Gun Control Works! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Resistance Քիչ ենք բայց Հայ ենք։ |
Posted By: Aelfgifu
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 11:19
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Why on earth would you want that. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 11:32
Concur.
Seems a little scary that..Are you preparing for a war on American soil or something? Join the NRA, they have training for civilians all the time... ------------- |
Posted By: Parnell
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 11:39
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Join one of those militias you have.
Why is it American's are so scared of their government? Maybe Europeans are simply complacent, but Yanks seem convinced they need to have weapons in case government gets taken over by fascists/communists. ------------- |
Posted By: Maharbbal
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 12:03
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Some self-defense sport are very very close to the real stuff. Well you'd be trained for closed quarter combat more than open field warfare, but then again how likely is it for you to fight in the trenches of Montana. Take Krav Maga for instance, it is based on the Israelis' experience and some courses are really hard core. Ultimately you could spend some times in their training camps and become a real urban warrior, but then again why would you want to do that? ------------- I am a free donkey! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 14:03
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Yes. Its called the National Guard. ------------- |
Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 15:33
Nope. The national guard is being deployed in Iraq, not all of it, but it is being spread thin, like the rest of the army. ------------- Concrete is heavy; iron is hard--but the grass will prevail. Edward Abbey |
Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 15:35
Its for when the Chinese invade, or the government becomes intolerable, which it almost is... ------------- Concrete is heavy; iron is hard--but the grass will prevail. Edward Abbey |
Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2007 at 16:33
Who said I wanted training to protect myself from my government?
If you really must know.... a lot of it is just for general knowledge/ general skills. And the other aspect of it is the distant chance that I might volunteer for service should Armenia be attacked (which seems very likely in the next few years). I'm not saying ya I'm definitely going or anything... I would really have to think about it, I would be 50/50 on it. But if I did decide to go I would be a lot more useful if I had basic training. I didn't want to go into my reasons for training but apparently everyone thinks I'm some kind of paranoid Yank who is afraid of the taxman or some unknown threat. The more ideas you guys have about my original inquiry, the merrier. Keep them coming. ------------- Mass Murderers Agree: Gun Control Works! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Resistance Քիչ ենք բայց Հայ ենք։ |
Posted By: Parnell
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2007 at 07:01
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Get a self help book. Or martial arts training. or both! ------------- |
Posted By: Aelfgifu
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2007 at 11:48
I shall not pretend the thought did not cross my mind, but I did hold my judgement until I had heard your arguments. In spite of common prejudice on Yanks, even they do generally not consider combat training necessary to battle civil servants...
 You must admit the question had great possibility to come across a bit strange. So I was really just interested in the why.If, heavens forbid, Armania is attacked (by whom, by the way? my knowledge on that part of the world is somewhat restricted...) and you wish to join, would you not be trained by the Armanian government?
I do know nothing about weapons training, but perhpas it would be interesting to look into bush-survival trips or something like that? There are bound to be some clubs organising trips to the wild where you have to make fire with sticks, find tubers for dinner without poisoning yourself, and cook in a tin can? And you can do the waepons in some shooting range club... -------------
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Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2007 at 11:57
Bush survival trips would come in handy for everbody I think nowadays.. The further away from Iraq and America the better  ------------- |
Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2007 at 14:50
Aren't self-help books for depressed people or something? Martial arts would be good.... maybe Judo.
Ya a survival book would be good for general knowledge. I'll just keep watching more Man vs. Wild episodes  Do you guys have that show in Europe.... you should, the host is a Brit.
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2007 at 15:18
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I trained at the weekend for six months in the parachute regiment (TA) for if ever that day comes. I left when they started more actively seeking out "volunteers" for Iraq - oh aye! not I. ------------- |
Posted By: Gundamor
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2007 at 03:57
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There are quite a few self defense firearm training and tactical training places throughout the U.S. I'm sure California is loaded with these establishments. A lot of those ex special op 4 weapon combat master people live in California. You might just want to google it, with the right keywords including your area I'm sure you'll find plenty. Every place in the U.S. has a gun club you could check there too. They might have bulletin boards with what you are looking for. You'll need to go through the legal and training aspect if you want to actually carry a gun CCW or whatever concealed. Not sure you can do the sub machine courses unless your in a related field. You can learn edge weapon combat techniques though. ------------- "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" |
Posted By: Aster Thrax Eupator
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2007 at 04:08
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...Why do you want to learn how to use a firearm, anyway? What reason could you have? You didn't specify one. Slightly seedy, I may add... ------------- |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2007 at 04:37
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He already posted it... http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21203&PID=391809#391809 - EXPLANATION A noble cause, I might say... And I wouldn't mind knowing how a firearm works either. It never hurts you to know something (except with the maffia... then it usually hurts...) ------------- |
Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2007 at 04:51
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Guns dont solve anything.
Except Disputes.
Na only joking, I'd rather become an activist for peace than take up arms to protect my country. My life is far too valuable to be lost in order to gain a few yards on a battlefield. And I wouldn't be able to shoot anybody either. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2007 at 10:36
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^
Is that an Irishman talking? lol! Down here the name Royal Irish Rifles get the same warm and fuzzy reputaions as the Waffen SS in Europe. :)
Seriously why do people want "military training" at all. I did National Cadet Course here, and all I learnt was
1) Pakistan is too hot
2) " is too cold
3) " is too dry
4) " is too wet
and most importantly
5) I am a certified coward
Not exactly practical tips for the real world eh? ------------- |
Posted By: konstantinius
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 18:38
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Armenian Survival, Google "boot camp" or "combat training" and then "California". Let me know if you come up with anything. Noble thoughts indeed, i've been thinking about re-joining the National Guard at age 40, though Iraq is not quite my cup of tea... ------------- " I do disagree with what you say but I'll defend to my death your right to do so." |
Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 21:46
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Hey, konstantinius. I had done those searches earlier, and I found
a couple of good-looking gyms to learn hand-to-hand combat. However, I
can't find a single place which teaches you how to use weapons which
isn't affiliated with the army. They will probably send me to Iraq and
I don't want to practice using firearms against Iraqi civilians. Btw I want to put more emphasis on weapon/military technology training rather than getting in shape and learning how to fight (how often do opposing soldiers engage in hand-to-hand combat?). My guess is that the only way to learn these things is to join the army... but I would prefer any legal alternative, if such a thing exists. Maybe I have to search longer and harder.
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Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2007 at 00:42
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A) martial arts, certainly. I suggest aikido, but I admit to some bias, since I take it. B)As people have said, there are plenty of self-defense groups. C)join a weird paranoid militia group. Maybe you can find one that isn't weird,. paranoid, and unprofessional, in which case that would be ideal. D) the funny solution. Move down to mexico, get citizenship. All mexican males, once they reach eighteen, are expected to report in and be given some basic military training, although they aren't deployed unless they choose the army as their career voluntarily. In previous years, they didn't do a lot of actual firearms and self-defense training, but that has changed. ...Then, emigrate back to the us. I make it sound so simple...;) ------------- Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche |
Posted By: konstantinius
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2007 at 21:44
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HHmmm, not sure if Aikido is the best option. Been doing it for 10 years, though I'm still only 1st Kyu. Not the most effective street techniques, at least the way we practice it. It definitely teaches awareness and spatial relationships though, and certainly it is better than doing nothing at all. I recommend MMA/wrestling/Gracie. ALL fights end up on the florr eventually and, man, I don't think there's any defense against Gracie/Jujitsu. Armenian Survival: Yes, i live in SF. If you're near, come by our dojo ( I train there on the side with my friend, a Gracie black belt; also my other friend Gregory who is also 3rd Dan in Aikido has extensive background in Chinese knife techniques and Bagua--sp?; man, his stuff will KILL ya  )On a side note, i was checking a Spanish website for re-enactors of the Liebstandaarte and Das Reich divisions from WW II. These guys are all decked out in uniforms, vehicles, and equipment and they seem to be practicing a lot of infantry-type drills. Not sure who their instructors are or where they get their credentials. Probably old Franko die-hards... ------------- " I do disagree with what you say but I'll defend to my death your right to do so." |
Posted By: TheARRGH
Date Posted: 06-Sep-2007 at 23:47
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Aikido definitely doesn't have the most immediately effective techniques, but I think part of it is that, even more so than many other martial arts, the physical techniques are just a framework. You use them to illustrate a point, and learn spatial relationships and awareness. No one TEACHES the "street" side. Just how it seems to me, But one of the final, unofficial tests seems to be realizing how to just sort of do whatever works and not worry about techniques. I've been practicing for maybe 9 years now, and I feel like what I have to do to understand the more immediately effective side of it is to-in a way-figure it out for myself, and not limit myself. Just a feeling, but whatever. I would agree that most fights end up on the ground, and ground grappling is the specialty of jujitsu-especially brazilian jujitsu, or so I've heard-But it's great to get some more traditional "punchy" martial arts training as well. I would suggest wing chun kung fu, as it relies on short, efficient, simple movements. I suggested Aikido because it gives a great framework to hang other bits and pieces on-you learn to be calm, aware, and centered, and then you can sort of mix and match the techniques you do, which are more effective because you learned the mindset first. ------------- Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." - Nietzsche |