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Topic: “Gondophernes coins”
Posted By: K. V. Ramakrishna Rao
Subject: “Gondophernes coins”
Date Posted: 10-Jul-2007 at 22:47
The sudden discovery of “Gondophernes coins” near Taxila in the 18th or 19th century makes me wonder as it is connnected with other issues?


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Replies:
Posted By: M. Nachiappan
Date Posted: 03-Aug-2007 at 04:49
1. What do you mean by "sudden discovery"?
 
2. What Taxila had to do with such coins?
 
3. Did the King metioned really exist?


Posted By: M. Nachiappan
Date Posted: 03-Aug-2007 at 08:35
Did he really exist?
 
The Britannica Encyclopedia gives the following details:
Gondophernes was first known from the apocryphal http://www.britannica.com/memberlogin - Acts of Judas Thomas the Apostle, which told that http://www.britannica.com/memberlogin - St. Thomas visited the court of Gondophernes, where he was put in charge of building a royal palace but was imprisoned for spending the construction money on charitable purposes. Meanwhile, according to the story, Gad, the king's brother, died and the angels took him to heaven and showed him the palace that St. Thomas had built there by his good deeds; Gad was restored to life, and both he and Gondophernes were converted to Christianity.

Coins of Gondophernes, some bearing his Indian name Guduphara, indicate that he may have reigned supreme over both eastern Iran and northwestern India. According to an inscription at Takht-i-Bhai (near Peshawar), Gondophernes ruled for at least 26 years, probably from about AD 19 to 45.

That means, his existence depends only ob apocryphal works?


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2007 at 11:29
What is the worth of Acta Thomae and reliability of that and the mention of Gondophores?
 
Holy see’s Publisher “Burn Oares & Wash Boune Ltd’ has Published Multi Volume –“Butler’s Lives of Saints” Edited by Rev.Alban Butler (with Nihil Obstat & Imprimatur from Two Archbishop for its Doctrinal Acceptance) says-

“.. the Syrian Greek who was probably the fabricator of the Story would have been able to learn from Traders and Travelers such details as the name Gondophorus with Tropical details.. Pages 213-218, in Volume December.

The Authors have gone through all the major works of the claims of St.Thomas Indian visit claims and one of the highly acclaimed work of “The Early Spread of Christianity in India” – Alfred Mingana connected this with Apostle Thomas visit claims and clearly affirms-
. “ It is likely enough that the Malabar Coast was evangelized from Edessa at a later date, and . that in the course of time a confused tradition.”
“It is likely enough that the Malabar Coast was Evangelized from Edessa at a Later date, and in the course of time a confused tradition connected this with Apostle Thomas himself.”


Posted By: K. V. Ramakrishna Rao
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 03:40
The linking of Thomas here is only religious and it cannot be accepted.
 
The "myth of thomas in India" has been a fabricated one and no historian accepts it, as it has no historical evidence.
 
As for as these coins are concerned, why I raised the issue is that they appeared suddenly. And immediately, the Christologists / Church historians tried to connect the coins with "doubting Thomas".
 
When you doubt "Acts of Thomas", why believe its connection with Thomas and Thomas' connection with “Gondophernes coins” and so on.


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History is not what was written or is written, but it is actually what had happened in the past.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 07:02
Well, I am surprised. St Thomas is classically the man accepted as brin ging christianity to India. And it is an argument that certainly has merit.

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Posted By: M. Nachiappan
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 07:25
No.
 
It is myth floated in India.
 
Above all, the Christians have been caught many times for planting fake-relics, fabricating evidences and meddling with existing evidences.
 
I am afraid that discussion on the topic would become controversial.
 
As it is a historical forum, I do niot think it is worth while to debate such fakes, frauds and concoctions, as they might expose many historians.
 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2007 at 05:32
The Myth is Thomas. Barthalmew and Addai all worked in Turkey, Afganistan Areas, and when these People were troubled by Roman Creation of RC Christianity And later Islam, the original Christians from Edessa- in modern Turkey who were Evangelised by Thomas and their Predeccors came to India. This is another Fraud Spread.
 
When was Edessa Converted?
 
“Edessa-the modern Urfa in North West Mesopotamia is a city with an immensely long history going back to the Babylonian & Assyrian age. About 132BC it has became a seat of local dynasty, one of whose king raised the pillar. CHRISTIANITY Was Introduced in the Jewish Colony in the 2nd Century CE, and the church developed a national spirit using the Syriac Language and becoming the First Seat of Christianity in the Syriac speaking Community.”- Page-2176, World History; Editor J.A.Hanmeston.

Former English Professor of St.Joseoph College, Trichy, Dr.Joseph Kolangodan wrote a book “The History of Apostle Thomas” and it has the total appraisal from a fellow Christian, Professor John Ochanthurthi, Dept. of History, Calicut University saying-
As the Well known Orientalist and Syrian Scholar George Every in his book “Christian Myths”(New York; Page-92)- India of this Legend (Acta THomae) is certainly not Malabar and may not be in the Indian Peninsula
 
But Who is Apostle Thomas?
 
“ The VERY NAME of the Apostle who is known as Thomas remains obscure. Thomas is the Greek form of the Aramaic Teoma whose Greek Translation is Didymas, meaning “Twin”, most probably his original name was Judas, and the Parentheses and the versional variants could have been Scribal clarification. How could an Apostle be known by an epithet or an adjective such as “TWIN” - “Person And Faith of Apostle Thomas in the Gospels”- Dr.George Kaniarakath,CMI

What is the Opinion about Acts of Thomas, in Catholic Church- Acta Thomae was composed in the Ist half of the 3rd Century AD in Gnostic Manichean circle with Encrastic tendencies. Page-411, Vol-3, New Catholic Encyclopedia
 
 
Did Thomas visit Kerala and built 7 and Half Churches as Indian Churches claim with the help of Malayalam Song called Ramban Song?
 
The Shores of Kerala were below Sea till 7th Century CE, and are called MALIANKARA Or Malankara- a Tamil word Means Mal-God Vishnu & Iyan- God Siva Kara-Land. The derivative says that THE Land was recovered by Gods Vishnu and Shiva.
 
 
Let us see from History of Christianity in India, Vol. I, by Fr. A. Mathias Mundadan, Professor of Church History and Theology at the Dharmaram Pontifical Institute, Bangalore, in says

Opinion seems to be Unanimously insupporting the Hypothesis that the whole or Greater part of the western section of the Kerala coast was once under waters and that the formation of the Land was due to some process of nature either gradual or Sudden.” Page-12
 
HOW RELIABLE IS RAMBAN SONG Or Other Keralite Traditions?
Rev.A.M.Mundaden says-
“Indian Tradition is clearly influenced by the accounts of the Acts of Thomas and also by the East Syrian Tradition.. Some of the elements of the Sacraments pf Confirmation may be regarded as details, which have crept in to the Account from the Portuguese Sources P.32
The so called details available are mostly the fruit of fertile imaginations, generously employed to fill the gaps and provide facile interpretation. P-3


Now I refer again Dr.Joseph Kolangodan wrote a book “The History of Apostle Thomas” and it has the total appraisal from a fellow Christian, Professor John Ochanthurthi, Dept. of History, Calicut University

As for as I could see from all the Shreds of Quotations presented by Prof. Kolangadan in this Volume, the antiquity of St.Thomas Tradition in South India cannot go beyond 13th Century. So for as direct and explicit support in favour of the St.Thomas Tradition in South India is concerned, I have No Doubt that the answer must be, None. Neither the Church Fathers nor the Apocrypal Acts say anything explicityly about Malabar.” Page 79
 
The Church Story Spreaders have been very clever when they refer Thomas fables they always say “TRADITION”- AND What does Tradition means - Rev.A.M.Mundaden says-

“.. whole story which lies shrouded in Legends, fables, fictions and confusing details. Quiet often One has no other option but tto fall back on what is claimed as tradion. No wonder then that Speculations,Surmises and Presumptions have characterized many studies of the period. To avoid filling into such pitfalls… out of a large basket of all sorts of materials all claiming to be Tradtion-facts: Legends, Myths, wishful thinking, telescoping of events easy hormonisation etc., P-2

Ramban Song as per Church claims was composed in 17th Century. But one of the Nasrani Thomas Christian website says that Linguistically it can be dated to 19th Century.
 
I quote from Rev.George Menachery Edited St. Thomas Christians Encyclopedia”,Vol-2, Article DID St.Thomas Really Come to INDIA- From a Doubter’s point of View by
Rev H.COMES. It explains-

Heracleon- (II Century) is the earliest author to throw a light on St.Thomas’s carrier; his grandparents might have known the Apostle. Now, discussing the problem of witness and blood martyrdom, he states in a casual way, as something well known, that Matthew, Philip, Thomas, and Levi(Thaddaues) had not met violent deaths. And Clement of Alexandria (150-211/16 A.D.) who quotes this Passage of Heracleon and corrects some of his ideas, does not challenge this facts.”


It explains and analyses further in detail all other points and finally concludes as-
" For all these reasons it is our honest opinion, and thus we conclude, that Christianity was brought to India, not by St.Thomas, but by merchants, refugees and missionaries from Persia; that in this movement of Christianity towards India, Rewardshir, which was not only a great church, but also a great port, played an important part; that the St.Thomas Tradition itself may have been brought to Socotra to Konkan -Gujarat and to South India by these early settlers and missionaries from Persia; but that its ultimate origin may have been some of the regions near Palestine Christianized in the First Century." Page-24
 
And I explained that AT Edessa Christianity was introduced in 2nd Century only, a follow-up of that, this time little more Authentic from Catholic Encyclopedia from Online site-
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05282a.htm/ - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05282a.htm/

//The exact date of the introduction of Christianity into Edessa is not known. It is certain, however, that the Christian community was at first made up from the Jewish population of the city. According to an ancient legend, King Abgar V, Ushana, was converted by Addai, who was one of the seventy-two disciples. (For a full account see ABGAR.) In fact, however, the first King of Edessa to embrace the Christian Faith was Abgar IX (c. 206). Under him Christianity became the official religion of the kingdom. As for Addai, he was neither one of the seventy-two disciples as the legend asserts, nor was he the Apostle Thaddeus, as Eusebius says (Hist. Eccl., IV, xiii), but a missionary from Palestine who evangelized Mesopotamia about the middle of the second century, and became the first bishop of Edessa.//

 
On Ramban Pattu Tradition www.stmaryssharjah.com,
and article titled ST. THOMAS THE APOSTLE- Written by Mr. Mathen Manathala says-
“This tradition has many contradictions and factual errors. First of all there were no Brahmins in the Malabar Coast until the eight century. Secondly, the places where he is supposed to have founded churches were non existent as those parts of the western coast were still under the Arabian Sea. Thirdly, ordination of Kassesos and “Rambans” was not practiced in Christianity until the first quarter of the second century any where in the world. The only written evidence to this Malabar tradition is found in the “Ramban Pattu” supposed to be written in early 17th century, but the language used denotes a much later time, sometime in the 19th century.”




Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2007 at 06:50
The thing here is how misunderstanding rules and certain people are rushing to give judgment despite well known facts that are available over the internet. Whether the gospel of Thomas is a forgery is a different subject from being a myth which it certainly isn't. The document did exist and has been dated from about 200 AD.  Proven history and not myth tells us around 400 AD Western Bishops began telling their congregation not to read the works of Thomas, every copy that could be found was destroyed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas

There can be no doubt someone called Thomas did go to India (The Romans already had a trading port in Goa for instance) However when whoever it was got there the Indian way of religion began to convert him. He started talking about Jesus being a vegetarian and practicing ahimasa which was foreign creed and therefore unacceptable in the Western lands  of that time. St Paul (the pilot of Christianity) became the superstar by his his language abilities, writing skills, preaching abilities and his daring travels throughout the Roman Empire.

His understanding alone made the core version that lasted despite the odds and rose and rose to become the dominant religion of the West in a way that is still unique in world history.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2007 at 07:38
I am surprised by the claims based on Gospels of Thomas.
 
None of the 27 Books collected as NT, Not one of them was written by Any  Eyewitness account of Jesus, and Each Gospel Contradict each other in many details.
 
Except 6 or 7 Letters of Paul - All other have been written by Unknown Authors using Others name. Gospel' Authors names are added in end 2nd Century.
 
As for as Gospels of Thomas- as per it Messiah -Christhood -Prophet hood- is not Divine= Every body can become so. This Gospel accepts Rebirths etc.,
 
As per Highly Respected Authors- The Population of Christians in First Century at any point would be around less than a Million.
 
As per Roman Archealogies Christianity reached Rome only in 2nd Century.
 
So Gopel of Thomas is no proof for Thomas.


Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2007 at 08:45
You should not be surprised, devapriva, when I was in India a few years back the gospel of Thomas could be bought on any street corner, the only choice was whether in hard cover or paperback. It's an extremely popular.work there and on the best seller list. As for religious beliefs you clearly have yours beliefs while others have theirs..

That Christianity only reached Rome in the second century sounds like something you made up. Please show us your evidence for this otherwise speculative claim. Paul was imprisoned in Rome. His first hand account smentions places, events and people in  the language of the time.


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Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2007 at 10:26
Most of what is in the NT is myths and very few can be recognized as written by a specific writer. Most of the times, Christians back then wrote their texts and signed as a prominent Christian figure to give them more legitimacy. That makes it almost impossible to accurately attribute texts to specific, early Christian, writers.
 
Take as example the Apocalypse. It is definite that it is not written by John, but someone else signing as "John". In case it was the actual Apostle John he should have been 104 years old at the time he wrote it. Plus the text shows great differences from other texts that are attributed to him.
 
 


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Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2007 at 18:48
Please note, I'm talking of St Paul who said he appeared before Nero in the first century. It was said Paul corresponded with Seneca, Nero's Prime Minister. These letters were later called fake by the church, but the thing is the dating of when Paul appeared in Rome is a matter of historical record. He would have been over fifty at the time. The other gospels may have problems attached as to the dating, but not the works of Paul. As I have already challenged, produce any evidence that says otherwise.


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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2007 at 21:21
There were over a hundred books that the 27 were supposedly chosen from.  However I question even that.  The NT was written over a very long period of time.  The number of authors and influences is in the hundreds.  Stylistically it's a patchwork.  Some of the "editing" coincides with some events that occurred after the compilation was completed, as it was politically advisable to change certain passages in certain books to support the church's position.

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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
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Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2007 at 22:36
Some good points red clay. Do you have any documentation in choosing from over hundred books? I have never heard of that many. I know the word "canon" means "up to the highest standard" and the church fathers had to be extremely careful in choosing what documents should pass on to the future. I'm  talking about the works of St Paul alone, forget the rest. So far as I know there is no "stylistic patchwork" about his writings, he was a Shakespeare of his time and as such simply could not be copied. That he could read, write and speak Hebrew, Latin and Greek is evident, and accounts for many so-called stylistic differences in his works. He changed from third person to first person all the time.

He wrote (and edited) the "The Acts" There was only much he could have witnessed first hand but wrote as if he did by using the works of others.  He was the one who first reported "speaking in tongues" as well he might, his linguistic abilities were above most others. He was a true intellectual with a burning genius for putting across his subject. If he had not been a Christian writer he would have been a historian. His putting across this radical message meant danger, adventure and excitement and of course none of us want that in our lives do we?

He intuitively knew how he was involved in a dynamic movement of the future that would one day rise up to overthrow the universal yoke of Rome. "But now I see through a mirror, but darkly.." Did you know he was the first in the whole of the Bible to use the formerly European pagan word "nature"? This wonderful expression makes a religion of its own and expresses so much about what we have constantly failed to appreciate in the greed fueled societies of today


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2007 at 23:45
This is a book analyses the unworthiness of New Testament neutrally and prove each of your assumption  is wrong.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/improbable/ - http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/improbable/


Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 29-Aug-2007 at 01:30
Are you even read what I have said so far devapriva? In your haste to put down the most successful religion on earth, you made the totally unfounded claim that Christianity didn't reach Rome until the second century. Instead of being a true scholar and feeling the need to properly explain yourself, you now go on to send us second rate atheist propaganda! In my opinion it is badly written, no real content and with no historical value whatsoever.

The only point of interest is the pamphlet has been written by by someone who calls himself an "internet infidel". Do you too call yourself an infidel? Where does it mention Paul or even St Thomas in India and forget about the coins! It may take him the rest of his lifetimes to reach that point of education. I have read much more informative atheist works that talk about the role of Paul at length for he really was a historical figure!


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 29-Aug-2007 at 08:36
THOMAS MYTHS?
 
Dear Friend,
 
You exaggarated NTs Trustability.
 
This link proves with appropriate proofs not one book of NT is trustable, in an accepatable way to any Independant And Netral Readers.
 
For You this site is specifically devoted to Frauds of St.THOMAS
 
www.hamsa.org


Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 29-Aug-2007 at 09:22
Thank you for your opinion, devapriva. We learned your stand and indeed your negative emotions on St Thomas and Christianity in general.  Can I respectfully say to you the idea of this forum is to share information. If as you say the readers are independent and neutral then you must state your case to them and explain why you think the way you do.


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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2007 at 18:39
Originally posted by devapriya

THOMAS MYTHS?
 
Dear Friend,
 
You exaggarated NTs Trustability.
 
This link proves with appropriate proofs not one book of NT is trustable, in an accepatable way to any Independant And Netral Readers.
 
For You this site is specifically devoted to Frauds of St.THOMAS
 
www.hamsa.org
 
 
 
The only thing that site proves is
1. You are anti Christian
 
2. You are against the Catholic Church.
 
 
There is nothing wrong with either view, the Catholic church isn't very high on my list either.  But using agenda based sites to source your ideas isn't going to get you any points here.
 
 
 


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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.


Posted By: M. Nachiappan
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 03:00
I request that the issue has to be dealt with in historical perspective.
 
No religious question comes here in such approach. However, as the Church, whether it is Catholic or Protestant or otherwise (as for as India is concerned, they work together and we Indians do not find any difference) involves in such spurios issues forging documents, the "myth of doubting Thomas" in India has become the worst historical fraud committed ever in the history.
 
If the members want, I can provide many details.
 
In fact, Mr. Vedaprakash of Madras has done extensive research in this context.
 
I also find a new member "Vedprakash" in this forum, but I doubt, whether he is the same person.
 
Coming to Thomas-myths, forgeries and historical frauds, it is better to restrict in historical aspect.


Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 03:44
Oh for goodness sakes! I dealt with this question in a historical manner. The contention came up of Christianity coming to Rome in the second century, I repeatedly refuted this as historical nonsense, and recieved no reply that even tries to deal with this issue. The same goes for the other issues. If you can provide more historically accurate details then please do so.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 03:46
Dear members of allempires.com.
 
I joined this forum for the following reasons:
 
1. I was informed that one "Vedprakash" is posting in this forum.  But I am not that "Vedprakash". Of course, Vedaprakash Upadhyaya has been different.
 
2. My name is mentioned here and as well as in other groups.
 
3. So I want to know what exactly is happening here.
 
4. Incidentally, I am the author of "The Saint Thomas myth in India" published in August 1989. This book has been historical perspective pinting out that the so-called coming of Thomas to Indian has been a myth.
 
5. I am posting my first entry here, as my name is incidentally appearing above.
 
6. as for as "doubting Thomas" is concerned, I am prepared to answer any query or give clarification.
 
7. I assert that historical study of this issue has nothing to do with religion and I am not against any believers.
 
8. Historical research has to be scientific and secular without any bias, prejudice or pre-determined objectives.
 
I hope I can have lively discussion in this forum.


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Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 04:16
A warm welcome to the forum and thanks for clearing all that up, I think? When did the "Thomas myths" come about? I already gave a verifiable fourth century reference to the work. The Church at the time didn't like it either. If you refute that evidence then you are only taking the same position as before and we we will only continue recycling through the same questions.


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elenos


Posted By: pumaaa123
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 05:11

Treating posts of few like Deva Priya as anti-religious is too harsh. The bighearted Indian people have great respect over all religion but people familiar with this subject feel bad of such cheap forge. Deva priya is one among to react so. There is lot so to list, but such lists may very much reroute the forumers.



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Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 06:13
I'm interested is finding grounds for discussion about these claims, but that is being openly refused. Some here are acting like authorities when they are not. I'm asking for them to present their point of view and evidence instead this game of acting offended. I have been in India and in Goa,. which is one of the places being talked about. What is happening here is someone wants to rewrite history. You use the words "cheap forge" which is yet to be proven. You sent more words with no proof. How about Devi priya talking for himself and giving some dates? On this board it is expected extreme claims are challenged or everybody would be let down and the board would suffer.   

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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 06:33
Originally posted by elenos

I'm interested is finding grounds for discussion about these claims, but that is being openly refused. Some here are acting like authorities when they are not. I'm asking for them to present their point of view and evidence instead this game of acting offended. I have been in India and in Goa,. which is one of the places being talked about. What is happening here is someone wants to rewrite history. You use the words "cheap forge" which is yet to be proven. You sent more words with no proof. How about Devi priya talking for himself and giving some dates? On this board it is expected extreme claims are challenged or everybody would be let down and the board would suffer.   
 
 
 
 
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
 
 
 


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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.


Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 06:50
Originally posted by pumaaa123

Treating posts of few like Deva Priya as anti-religious is too harsh. The bighearted Indian people have great respect over all religion but people familiar with this subject feel bad of such cheap forge. Deva priya is one among to react so. There is lot so to list, but such lists may very much reroute the forumers.

 
 
 
I don't remember anyone saying he's anti religion, I said he's anti Christian.  The website he used as a source is anti Christian, they as much state this in the header.
 
Speaking of cheap forgeries, it doeasn't strike anyone else here as odd that someone posts his name and, "poof" Vedaprakash appears as if by magic.
And,[Shock and surprised face] has the same ip as m.nachiappen.
 


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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.


Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 06:50
Something seems slightly 'out of place' here.....

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Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 06:52
You are right, dolphin, red clay. Somebody, anybody,  please amaze me with your dazzling array of evidence! I promise to read it, no matter how extraordinary.


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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 07:01
Originally posted by elenos

You are right, red clay. Somebody, anybody,  please amaze me with your dazzling array of evidence! I promise to read it, no matter how extraordinary.
 
 
The old " if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with Bulls**t" approach won't work guys.
 
Oh and btw, both m.nachiappen and his alter vedapreshka are banned.
 
 
 
 
 


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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.


Posted By: pumaaa123
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 09:05
Originally posted by red clay

Originally posted by pumaaa123

Treating posts of few like Deva Priya as anti-religious is too harsh. The bighearted Indian people have great respect over all religion but people familiar with this subject feel bad of such cheap forge. Deva priya is one among to react so. There is lot so to list, but such lists may very much reroute the forumers.

 
 
I don't remember anyone saying he's anti religion, I said he's anti Christian.  The website he used as a source is anti Christian, they as much state this in the header.
 
Speaking of cheap forgeries, it doeasn't strike anyone else here as odd that someone posts his name and, "poof" Vedaprakash appears as if by magic.
And,[Shock and surprised face] has the same ip as m.nachiappen.
 
 
'Anti-religious' mean same as what you have said. Just I want to stay mild.

 

Personally I ask new forumers (like Devapriya) to wait and watch, so can absorb and identify the practice followed here. Hope being a clear but practiced posting in other generic portals and forums he had kept the same way of posting in IE too. So what, that contrast is seen.

 

Evidence? So what I said putting such things here would re route and it doesn’t have any connection with the objective of this board or thread. People practicing such frauds need not be counted here as they do work for a different objective.



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Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2007 at 19:39
Originally posted by pumaaa123

Evidence? So what I said putting such things here would re route and it doesn’t have any connection with the objective of this board or thread. People practicing such frauds need not be counted here as they do work for a different objective.


You have already said that nonsense before you clown!


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elenos


Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 01-Sep-2007 at 04:12
This thread is way out of hand now.

Everybody re-read the special rules for this forum before you post again ( http://allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21155 - link )

pumaaa123, and elenos, your both guilty of baiting and personal attacks and can consider this an unofficial warning.


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