"Inca Gold"
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Topic: "Inca Gold"
Posted By: rider
Subject: "Inca Gold"
Date Posted: 30-Jun-2007 at 18:02
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Just got my hands on it but since it touches quite much into history (as does all of Cussler's) then what's the truth behind the story? Are the legends true? The wave? The treasure? The river? The geographical stuff? So, can anyone help me on this? |
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30-Jun-2007 at 20:10
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Inca Gold?
Existed and still exist.
However, far from what people believe, the great treasure of the Inca Empire was not gold but silver. The inmense treasure that the Spaniards extracted from the Americas were in silver. I said "extracted" and not "robbed" because silver mining need a technology and organization that was developed by the Spaniards.
Now, back to the gold stuff. Incas used gold as an element for rituals. When Atahualpa was captured, he asked all its subdits to contribute to pay the rescue fee, so it was not hard to collect all the ritual elements accross the empire to fill a room. Now, that was one time event indeed. That's what Spaniards find out soon.
Unlike what people believe, there are lot of pieces of Inca gold still in place. The Museum of Gold of Colombia, for example, has lot of gold pieces of pre-contact times.
http://www.banrep.gov.co/museo/esp/home.htm - http://www.banrep.gov.co/museo/esp/home.htm
 And of corse, the Museum of Gold of Peru has more items related with it.
http://www.museoroperu.com.pe/principal.htm - http://www.museoroperu.com.pe/principal.htm
 Now, if what you mean was the legend of "El Dorado" (The Golden One), let's discuss in other post.
Pinguin
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 03:14
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Nope. I'm sorry for my hmmh... unclarifications. I was referring to the book by Clive Cussler, "Inca Gold", which talks about a treasure sent away on the orders of Huascar (might have misspelled it here) from the lands of Incas by a trusted General to a land far north. ------------- |
Posted By: tommy
Date Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 06:42
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Yes, from this book, excatly, the Author mentioned Inca had conquered a tribe with white skin and goldern hair,it was the member of this tribe help the Inca to hide the treasure of gold at the beginning of the story, the aurthor also mentioned the spanish saw some white skin tribe in Amazon, now an Inca skeleton was found in Norway, but I do not know whether the author talking history or fiction, you have the book, what is the name of the tribe as the author suggest in the fiction ------------- leung |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 11:20
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I don't have the book at hand but the Confederacy was named Chachapuya's I believe. The Incas were to have subjugated them in the early 16th. (Btw, this nation, or 'tribe' isn't fiction...) ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 01-Jul-2007 at 20:50
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Ah.... the myth of the white Gods once again. Another invention of the Spaniards that Conquered the Americas. They developed dozens of legends like the "El Dorado", "The fountain of youth", the "City of Caesar" and many others. And the White Gods was nothing more than another legends.
Now, it is know that part of the treasure of the Incas was hidden by them from the Spaniards. Some are still looking for it.
Pinguin
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There weren't blonds in the Americas. That's for sure.Posted By: think
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 06:39
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Why would it have to be fiction ? Lets look at some facts: The Vikings were Sailors They were adventurers They WENT to North America Theyre is always truth in a legend, no matter how small that truth is. Its not like people are proposing that they were first on the moon !!!!! Even if the vikings traded an warred with some Injuns it doesnt take away the credibility of the Spanish explorers anyway. |
Posted By: Explorador
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 14:26
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Last year I read a book about Incas and Aymaras, and had references about the white ancestors, or gods... It was a novel, so I knew it was just a legend that fitted the story, but I found it interesting because white could have a different meaning (as in Western culture it's a symbol of purity, maybe it meant something for Incas).
About the gold, it will probably be found some day by archaeologists.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 15:51
The impact of viking was so small in the Americas that nobody remembered them in there for 500 years :)
The myth of the Whites between the Amerindians was just a racist invention of Spaniards. That's all. The egos of European went so high with those legends than they keep repeating ever since.
Pinguin
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2010 at 23:04
| hi there i live in Ecuador Quito yes Quito as in Quintan main base for the Inca resistance the book im pretty sure is pure fiction you see Huascar was Athahualpas brother and incas had a tendency to kill each other for the trhone ,so they werent particulary on good terms with each other , hoever when the spanish arrived they found the inca empire at the end of a civil war in wich Athaualpa had been victorious and had Huascar killed you probably know the rest of the story but wait get this , after athaulpa is captured and the spanish conquer tha land and so on there was this bloke called ruminavi who was one of athahualpas generals in quito, and it was said that the quintan capital rivaled cuzco in riches ,and mind you the saking of cuzco turned out more gold than athahualpas ramssom ... any way when more spanish came and conquered Quito they found none because Ruminavi burned the city to the ground and took all the riches .... now up till there everitthing is fact recorded by spanish crhoniclers ... here comes the gold rush legend it is said that ruminavi hid all the gold in Jungle cauld llaganates wich even today is hard to get to this jungle is in Ecuador and there is no shotage of explorer and looters that have tried over the years to find this great tresure , I personaly know this gentelman who has been searching his whole life for it ... it is cuait a thought to think that there might be so much gold just waiting to found ... in my personal opinion it is just a rumor because when ruminavi was captured and tortured he said he didnt know anathing to bad... real inca wealth hoever can still be found there are hundreds of unescavated sites in this country and peru...hope the info was usefull i can recomend a exellent book on the Incas if you are intrested its called "the conquest of the Incas" by Jhon Hemming men that book gave me a gold fever jaja ... |
Posted By: qorci
Date Posted: 05-Feb-2011 at 22:40
That's why I don't care for historical fiction. You can not tell what's fact or fiction. You can find the answers by reading the book mentioned by pachacuti, http://www.amazon.com/Conquest-Incas-John-Hemming/dp/0156028263/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1296963255&sr=1-1 - The Conquest of the Incas by John Hemming . One of the best if not the best books on the subject. ------------- There is rest and healing in the contemplation of antiquities. - Mark Twain |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2011 at 13:40
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Hemmings book is one of 4-5 well written and researched books on the subject.
As this is an old thread thats been rezzed. I should make people aware that the Pinguin is no longer a member here. No big loss. There is much less hard headed racism however. ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 17-Feb-2011 at 13:08
| I don't think there is any evidence, other than anecdotal, for euro or Phoenician contact. There is some serious study over findings at the Mayan site of Comalcalco, in Mexico. That doesn't rule out the possibility. There is a lot of political resistance to the idea from folks in S.America and Mexico. Those are primarily nationalist and racist based, rather than scientific. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 17-Feb-2011 at 19:52
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Dear Unk! But, just what do you make of the obvious African Olmec heads? As well as the reported existance of "cocaine" in Egyptian mummies?
regards,  ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 18-Feb-2011 at 12:53
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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 18-Feb-2011 at 21:11
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Dear Unc!
I merely find it hard to use the words "stylized in a particular way" to erase a very troubling question! I would suggest that one could show photos of thes "styized" heads to 100,000 Americans of both sides of the equator, that have never been exposed to them before, and you would receive the same answer from 99% of them, that is they represent Africans! It is the currently accepted time-line or chronology that makes acceptance of this as a fact, and also a problem! One is rather "doomed" to accept either alternative! Thus to me, at least, the very word "stylized" merely suggests that the artist had some familarity with the subject of his/her art! But, perhaps you would disagree? Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 19-Feb-2011 at 00:59
| Opu, one could look at the stylized pottery of the Moche, for instance,(not the natural pottery)and think that some bizarre racial group with strange sized appendages from who knows where had migrated into the area. But no, it's just 'art' as it was developed in that culture. I agree, that most opposition comes from wanting to support current chronologies. The mummies you mentioned are a good example of that. We need more evidence to support the african genesis. |