present day iranians and north indians?
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Topic: present day iranians and north indians?
Posted By: Kashmiri
Subject: present day iranians and north indians?
Date Posted: 08-Apr-2007 at 20:46
| are present day iranians and north indians related to some degree genetically? i am assuming people from punjab, kashmir, himchal are to some degree but what about people from UP and other north indian states? |
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Posted By: Rajputana
Date Posted: 08-Apr-2007 at 21:45
http://www.shaadi.com/partner_search/matrimonial_search/profile.php?profileid=dhiren_singh&set=12c1498c72147f52bd7fb587ec4506a8 - Parts of UP are diverse check this Rajput guy out from UP.
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Posted By: TeldeInduz
Date Posted: 09-Apr-2007 at 08:51
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^ Please let's not start posting pictures of one or two odd folk claiming the region is diverse. I would not even trust most sites where anyone can post what they like, as a resource for looking at diversity in populations.
Also that's a skin colour map, not a genetic one. ------------- Quoo-ray sha quadou sarre................. |
Posted By: Rajputana
Date Posted: 09-Apr-2007 at 09:32
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It looks quite accurate actually, atleast you can tell the distribution. I think I'll move it to the Skin color thread. -------------
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Posted By: K. V. Ramakrishna Rao
Date Posted: 09-Apr-2007 at 21:38
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Can anybody tell from where Hakim Omar Khayyam came? ------------- History is not what was written or is written, but it is actually what had happened in the past. |
Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 09-Apr-2007 at 23:48
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Omar Khayyám, bword://%21%21ARV6FUJ2JP,Persian%20language/ - Persian عمر خیام (born: bword://%21%21ARV6FUJ2JP,May%2031/ - May 31 , 1048 in bword://%21%21ARV6FUJ2JP,Nishapur/ - Nishapur , bword://%21%21ARV6FUJ2JP,Iran/ - Iran ( bword://%21%21ARV6FUJ2JP,Greater%20Iran/ - Persia ) – died: bword://%21%21ARV6FUJ2JP,December%204/ - December 4 , 1131), was a bword://%21%21ARV6FUJ2JP,Persian%20people/ - Persian bword://%21%21ARV6FUJ2JP,Persian%20literature/ - poet , mathematician and astronomer. He was originally named Ghiyath al-Din Abu'l-Fath Omar ibn Ibrahim
Al-Nisaburi Khayyámi (غیاث الدین ابو الفتح عمر بن ابراهیم
خیام نیشابوری). Khayyám (خیام) is an bword://%21%21ARV6FUJ2JP,Arabic%20language/ - Arabic loanword meaning
"tentmaker." He is best known for the collection of poetry, the bword://%21%21ARV6FUJ2JP,Rubaiyat%20of%20Omar%20Khayyam/ - Rubaiyat of Omar
Khayyam . ------------- Anfører |
Posted By: mughal
Date Posted: 10-Apr-2007 at 16:34
| didn't the mughal empire speak persian? |
Posted By: SpartaN117
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2007 at 17:18
Yes, but the Mughal empire was based in north Pakistan, so you cant really relate them to Indians. ------------- http://www.PakHub.Info - PakHub.Info Reclaiming Pakistans Identity Join Us |
Posted By: pathan
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2007 at 18:26
| yes but many of their great cities were in northern india, cities like delhi, aligarh, Bariely etc.... |
Posted By: SpartaN117
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2007 at 20:45
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Lahore was their capital. Go figure.
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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2007 at 21:39
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Delhi was their capital. Lahore was never the capital of the Mughals, before they captured Delhi Kabul was their capital. They has palaces in Agra and Srinagar, and Bengal was one of their most loyal provinces. The Mughal Empire had its power base across the entire northern subcontinent. From Kabul to Bengal ------------- |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2007 at 22:01
 One of their capitals. The empire transcended Pakistan and has everything to do with India, especially North. Even Bengal.------------- |
Posted By: mughal
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2007 at 22:31
| well majority of north indians are still a mix of dravidians and people who came from outside. so yes to some excent persian genes might be there but the dravidian gene is still a prominent feature among most still. |
Posted By: SpartaN117
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2007 at 09:03
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You need to do some research. Mughal empire started in North Pakistan, Lahore was their capital, then they expanded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX0wp4bD3_I ------------- http://www.PakHub.Info - PakHub.Info Reclaiming Pakistans Identity Join Us |
Posted By: Azat
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2007 at 11:27
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A majority of North Indian have a scythian decent and as per genetic studies there is vary less intermixing between various groups.
People of eastern UP ,Bihar ,Orissa and Bangal are from a different stock.
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Posted By: pathan
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2007 at 14:14
| wrong again^ its not the majority it is still minority. Just Because invaders came from outside and settled in north india doesn't mean the orginal dravidian genes of North indians were lost. Today north india is a mix bag of people. Most still look very dravidian, while some others kinda look iranian type but that is still very small. In Pakistan though there are a lot of persian genes. |
Posted By: Azat
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2007 at 22:39
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Just wondering how you arrived at your statistics?Is it not based on pure assumption that have little academic value?
Dravidian were no original inhabitants of northwest .
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Posted By: mughal
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2007 at 00:38
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what do you mean by north west? also dravidians did live in the north before, yes many of them were pushed southwards but many still remained in the north. |
Posted By: Azat
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2007 at 00:55
Before the northern scythian race ???
Where and when ???
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Posted By: TeldeInduz
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2007 at 04:01
Another person joins, another load of baloney about Scythians being proven from genetic studies is posted ------------- Quoo-ray sha quadou sarre................. |
Posted By: TeldeInduz
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2007 at 04:07
Here comes another. "Persian" genes presumably are the descendants of Persia or the Persian ethnic group,of which perhaps only the Parsis have been proven to be from. In fact he's probably right, Northwest India does have more Parsis. The Iranian type just means the plateau region, and it's not a single type (of people or genes), but many different groups of people. ------------- Quoo-ray sha quadou sarre................. |
Posted By: Azat
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2007 at 12:55
When one say that there is a lot of intermixing I just rectify that there is very less intermixing between various groups of northwest and this particular point is proved by genetic studies not their scythic decent .
Now most of northwestern people have Scythian decent who were called aryans also like parthians .So this Dravidian mixing is just an imagination without any real base.
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