Right on.

Those lefties just don't appreciate that as many as 25% of those executed in Texas are probably guilty.

Yeah, well said! Bloody Austrian Commies!

But I don't understand why they don't execute people like the good ol'days. String them up! (If they put seats in frond and sell tickets, the state can even make some good money to improve the lives of poor law-binding citizens)

You know the joke?

Which are the most cunning people of the world? Austrians, because they manage to have the world think that Hitler was a German and Beetowen an Austrian

It's easy to kill, but it's not easy to resurrect.  If someone is innocently sentenced to death, there's no way back.  That's why teh law sucks.  IF you are not sure of it, and if the evidences mislead to an innocent victim, innocent would be killed.

BTW, I'm not all against death penalty- just that It should be the last of the last resort. 

First of all, it's only 1 in 8 are "innocent".  And even those innocent 12.5% are probably no great loss.  We aren't accidentally killing rocket scientists and brain surgeons.

Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli Originally posted by Genghis First of all, it's only 1 in 8 are "innocent".  And even those innocent 12.5% are probably no great loss.  We aren't accidentally killing rocket scientists and brain surgeons. So you're seriously saying it's not bad if innocent people are accidently sentenced to death?

Not those type of people.  There was enough evidence to convince a jury that they had committed a capital offense.  Even if they didn't do it, there hands certainly aren't clean of that affair.

And the type of people who hang about where those types of things transpire are mostly low lifes we can do without.

I think you're sick, I mean seriously mentally sick! You should seek help before it's too late in your life.

I mean it, do something for your own good...

Taking the emotional issue of capital punishment out of the equation -

What happens the next time someone decides that an Austrian citizen's opinion isn't worthy of them remaining a citizen?

The idea of pulling someone's citizenship because they don't agree with you is rather scary.

The legal justification in this case (which will not go forward in any case) is that he was involved in actions that disgrace his country and the people of Austria. Meaning that he didn't prevent the death of another human being although he could.

I can accept that.

Actually a study by the Cornell University of Law disputes that claim, Komnenos.  The following is a direct quote from their study.

Race and sentencing is another subject that the study shed light on. Conventional wisdom holds that African Americans constitute a disproportionately large share of those on death row, noted the authors. The study did reveal that the higher the proportion of murders by African Americans, the higher the proportion of African Americans on death row. However, it also showed that African-American murder defendants represent 50 percent of all murder defendants in the United States, but comprise only 40 percent of those on death row, and the gap is even greater where least expected -- in the South.

This man wants to run for president. I say who cares about his Austrian citizenship.

Yes, I thought I made myself clear. 

These people probably don't offer much to society in economic or intellectual terms, so I would not lose any sleep for sacrificing them to further the good of the collective.

Cornellia: 1

This man wants to run for president. Why should he care of his Austrian citizenship?

Haha, I had the greatest laugh over this.  All my friends found it hilarious as well.

Thanks for the advice, but I prefer not being a naive, sentimental do-gooder like yourself.

That's impossible.

I never said I would kill anyone without trial.  I said that if twelve people decided you needed to die, then even if you are innocent, you probably aren't Mother Theresa or Isaac Newton.

Someone has to make those decisions for society to function smoothly.

No, I mean it's easier for a society to live if social parasites like criminals are exterminated, like cutting the cancer from a person's body.  You'd allow surgery, but not butchery.

And that was said by the guy who call's himself a libertarian. I guess your libertarian viev's you shared with people like Stalin and Dzierzynski.

Dzierzynski - massmurderer, polish aristocrate and soviet revolutionist, founder of Cheka which later changed into NKVD and later into KGB was use to say: "There are no innocent people, there are only such who havent been properly examined". Im sad to say it but you Genghis share somthing with people like him, not with the libertarians.

What doesnt mean that im against capital punishment.

I remember you saying in one of your older posts that you are libertarian. Maybe it has changed since that time.

The response of leftists is on expected lines. But why is the Green party raising this issue? These Greens give environmentalism a bad name.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a great leader. He is the only man who can unite the West. The left wants the divisions to stay, and hence keeps targetting Arnold.

All power to Arnold!

lol, Iam also support a strong central government, just not one I dont like, hence for now I am a libertarian but a year from now....who knows?

I dont like ideology for ideals, I like ideology for what benifits me at the time!

I judge people by their ideology. You may be surprised, but movie stars are actually human beings, not cartoon characters. .......atleast in America, and probably in the Netherlands as well.

Well, the US had Mickey Mouse (Clinton), and nearly had Donald Duck (Dean). Scooby Doo would be much better.