Armenian western Lands?
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Topic: Armenian western Lands?
Posted By: apesako
Subject: Armenian western Lands?
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 00:06
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ive been hearing about our western lands a lot this couple of months. i heard that kurds want to establish a new country, but i think if anyone is going to liberate the lands it should be armenians couse we lived in that lands for 3000 years and we have our independent country so it makes us a little experianced governing a country. And unlike turks i think Armenians and Kurds will get a long together better then Turks and Kurds. |
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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 00:29
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you really are looking for a fight in this place. many kurds played a part in the ethnic cleansing of that part of anadolia, so how can you think they be friends of Armenians? Armenians dont have the numbers, money or resources to take on turkey, so it would be best to concentrate on holding on to what you got and building a more viable country than what you've have. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kerimoglu
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 01:23
Totally agree with u. Today, as an Azeri, I would love to have strong neighbours. Of course, there are some conflicts between us. But anyway, that is not the topic. I dont blame Turks, but Kurds also are habitants of those lands, and after all, they will not get part of Turkey just becouse it was theirs some milleniums nefore, it is obvious, Turks will never allow it unless they live and that is just normal. ------------- History is a farm. Nations are farmers. What they planted before will show what is going to grow tomorrow! |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 02:21
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Dont be stupid Apesako "And fully in keeping with the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogy - demagogic prejudices of the party, no http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Revolutionary_Federation - A.R.F leader would seriously propose participating cooperatively in the struggle of the people of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey - Turkey against the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism - fascist regime there... While the A.R.F. reprints maps showing the borders of a supposed "Armenia" proposed in the unratified http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Sevres - Treaty of Sevres , the party's literature ignores the native population within the borders of this "Armenia." It should be pointed out that this population, consisting of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds - Kurds , Turks, Lazes and others, exceeds six million. One wonders what kind of Armenia the A.R.F. envisions in which Armenians will be an absoluteif not minisculeminority..." Monte Melkonian The Right to Struggle, p.57 ------------- |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 13:22
Woooohooooooo, when's the party I just can't wait, common what you waiting for go and take the land, tell me when you get it 
Yeah the good old Kurds, they'll give you Diyarbekir and Mount Ararat because they really do adore you guys just like they love the Assyrians and will give them a country in Northern Iraq. ------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 13:31
well mount Ararat is a possibility in case that happens 
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Posted By: EGETRK
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 13:57
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even see Ağrı Dağ from erevan is a great gift for u,...that is all that you can realize...what do you wnat more
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 14:03
oooooh, maybe you should create a smokescreen,  take away that precious gift
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Posted By: EGETRK
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 14:11
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we will take it away with ur stupid Dreams and Myths...
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 14:46
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I like it that you capitalized Dreams and Myths, give more substance How can you take away ideas...I suggest dementors ------------- |
Posted By: apesako
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 15:05
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well i agree with u that Armenian people should consider on Armenian. but only way to do that is to recognize the genocide and open the borders.
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Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 15:09
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Apesako
well i agree with u that Armenian people should consider on Armenian. but only way to do that is to recognize the genocide and open the borders.
Yeah and the world revolves around Armenians, everybody shall do everything in their power to make sure that they do what's best for Armenians.
Mamikon
well mount Ararat is a possibility in case that happens
Look out your window, Pigs are flying
Apesako
i heard that kurds want to establish a new country, but i think if anyone is going to liberate the lands it should be armenians couse we lived in that lands for 3000 years and we have our independent country so it makes us a little experianced governing a country.
Shouldn't this be in "HISTORICAL AMUSEMENT"?
------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 15:25
It's realy sacred to you guys isn't it. I live like next to the mountain(well not native to the region but ...after the exile) I once heard a story that a Turkish man from france was going on holliday to Turkey his armenian neigbour said " Bring me dirt from the Holy mountain(Ararat) and I will pay you in gold( a large amount don't know how much exactly) the man wen't on holiday and was going to return when he was at kapikule(border of Turkey and greece) he realised that he had forgotten the dirt. He just took some dirt from there because he didn't wanted to disapoint is neigbour(and for the gold  ).He went to his neigbour and gave him the dirt. his neigbour " Do you think I'm a fool" (is this even possible how can he tell the difference?) I told you this story for some relief(not comic but still) please discuss this topic without flaming guys(not that you did but ... Btw my villeage is called "Hanzir"(it's armenian I guess) modernname Ycekapi(great gate) the other villeages and with -yan definitly armenian My mothers side is from a real Turkish villeage Mollasleyman( settled there after the exile) I have a question for our armenian members accualy 2. 1. We have alot of tales about armenian gold( I keep hearing from everyone Kurds & Turks that there is gold in caves that the Armeinian hid) Believe me don't want to find the gold(well I want to but you know..) is this true or could it be true. 2. I hear that the "Kurds" of North-east Anatolia are accualy of armenian descent who converted to Islam. I would like some awnser. especially from mamikon or armeniansurvival (and less from the new kid) Thanks xi tujue ------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 16:14
note that he said Armenian people not the whole world
So they are!! I just took this outside my window... http://tryingtogrok.mu.nu/archives/flying-pig.jpg - http://tryingtogrok.mu.nu/archives/flying-pig.jpg I call him Bambi
Whats so amusing? Kurds are going to have a country, sometime ------------- |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 16:20
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I think it is foolish to consider a physical object (such as a mountain) sacred..thus I dont. But probably some Armenians are... with respect to gold, I have not heard of any caves...but since you have told me about it, what is a good Turkish last name to take, so I can come and scavanger hunt without being tracked There were many Armenians who have converted to Islam and thus may have become Kurdicized, however, I have heard (and I am not 100% sure), that the skull shape of a "true" Kurd generally generally differs from that of a "true" Armenian ------------- |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 16:34
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Also...dont you think if there is gold, it should belong to the descendants...not the Turkish government
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Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 16:47
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Mamikon
note that he said Armenian people not the whole world
I was being sarcastic.
Mamikon
I call him Bambi
Poor Bambi, you turned him into a pig, I always preferred "Babe"
Mamikon
Whats so amusing? Kurds are going to have a country, sometime
They do, in Northern Iraq.
What's amusing is this.
Apesako i heard that kurds want to establish a new country, but i think if anyone is going to liberate the lands it should be armenians couse we lived in that lands for 3000 years and we have our independent country so it makes us a little experianced governing a country.
------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 16:57
That wasnt sarcastic...it would have been, if he had said "Armenia is going to get lands back with the world support" ------------- |
Posted By: The Hidden Face
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 17:27
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Guys Armenia is a city state that is nothing for Turkey. Don't waste your time. ------------- |
Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 17:36
but who is it we may never know. My uncle well my mother cousin(he lived there for a long time) told me that the kurds in his villeage had armenian relitives who came to visit and stuff(weren't the borders closed) als that the armenian hid gold in graves(knowing that graverobery was a moralcrime for the local muslim poulation) they later came and dug it up. but as I said weren't the borders closed. the turkish goverment supports the gold search and even gives you 2 soldiers to help you for like 40% of teh cut ------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
Posted By: EGETRK
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 18:02
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about Armenian-Trk Relations:İt is not armenia who put the condition on the table...ıt is the Trkiye...So Armenia can not let us make better the relations...Karabağ and So Called ''Genocide'' are two of the problemes...
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 18:20
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Bastards!!!! Genocide continued!! 
Exactly, Armenia is a tiny country that cant do sh*t against Turkey, I dont know why some Turks are scared However, did you have to call Armenia city state? Now I
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Posted By: apesako
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 18:48
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MAMIKON UR A TRAITOR TO UR COUNTRY ARMENIAN CAN DO A LOT OF STUFF TO TURKEY. AND 2ND OF ALL WE WILL GAIN OUR LANDS BACK, KAM MAH KAM AREVELYAN HAYASTAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 19:01
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Nationalism is a sickness, now I am sure of it. ------------- |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 19:20
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just wondering, but what makes me a traitor? ------------- |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 19:23
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You are correct, Armenia can do "a lot of stuff", but Turkey can do hell of a lot more PS: How do you suppose we are going to get our lands back? dont get me wrong, I would love to see those lands back. But I would not like to see 6 million people be displaced because of it, then I would be no different from those who carried out the Armenian Genocide ------------- |
Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 19:34
Only God knows...  ------------- http://swagbucks.com/refer/Malachi"> 
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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 19:36
To some extent. You still need some kind of loyalty to your nation, but overdoing it kills people. Balance is the key. Balance of power, of health, nationalism, etc. ------------- http://swagbucks.com/refer/Malachi">
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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 20:06
Being a socialist, I create a class warfare and liberate the slaves from their masters. ------------- |
Posted By: apesako
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 20:08
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i dont know how (YET) but if u go around tellling turks that they can do a lot more then Armenians we wont do anything and ur not much of a help for our couse. how did we get Artsakh when azerbaijans army was 3 times bigger then ours had more weapons and they had mujjahadin warriors from afganistan fighting for them.
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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 20:31
Neither are you. Why don't you find a weapon and invade Eastern Turkey yourself? That region is quite mountainous, hopefully you will fall from somewhere. ------------- |
Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 20:36
Many of them are. My father's aunt who lived in Istanbul used to travel to Anatolia to take Armenian children who only spoke Turkish and had Turkish names. She let them live with her and she raised them as Armenians. These people know they are of Armenian descent, they know their grandparents were forced to convert to Islam, but living in Turkey where minority rights are not really protected they have no way of going "back to their roots" so to speak. There are tens of thousands, and maybe even hundreds of thousands of people like this. And these are only the people who know their family history...imagine how many non-Armenians there are who don't know that their families were Armenian before WWI (Armenian orphans given to Turkish families, etc.). In fact my dad told me a very funny story about this. Two of his Armenian friends in Lebanon travelled to Turkey. They were in some coffee shop and were speaking Armenian to each other. When the people there found out they were Armenian they started trouble with them. A fight broke out and these 2 Armenian guys beat the crap out of about a dozen men. When the Turkish police chief of the area showed up all he saw was 2 Armenian guys standing and around a dozen people layed out, and he said "what kind of Turks are you to let 2 Armenians beat up a dozen of you?", and just completely embarassed the people who were beaten, and told them not to bother calling the police to handle their business. Then he takes the 2 Armenian guys in a corner and says to them in Turkish, "These idiots don't know that I'm really Armenian!", and they all started laughing. The guy's first and last name were Turkish and he only spoke Turkish, but look what he did when he could have easily arrested those 2 Armenian guys. Sadly that police chief is one of many who cannot go back to their roots, as life is easier in Turkey when you are not a minority.
Like many Armenians you like to dream. Think about reality. The land is always there. What Armenia needs NOW is a reformed government and economy, a way to make life easier for the average Armenian. We need to find out how to use political leverage against foreign influence. We don't need a mafia who kisses Russia's ass to rule Armenia. You live in Armenia, don't you know this? Yerazi mech mi abrir (don't live in a dream).
I agree Artsakh fighters are the bravest sons of our nation, but how do you compare Azerbaijan to Turkey? Armenia is like a child who beats another child (Azerbaijan), and now you want it to start a fight with an adult (Turkey). Turkey is 10 times bigger than Azerbaijan, 10 times more land, 10 times more people, but military is maybe 100 times stronger. We are Armenian, our soldiers are brave, but we are not invincible. We can defend Armenia against Turkish occupation, but that doesn't mean we can attack Turkey with success. ------------- Mass Murderers Agree: Gun Control Works! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Resistance Քիչ ենք բայց Հայ ենք։ |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 21:01
thats going a little too far dont you think?He is only a teenager, raging hormones, I forgive him for calling me a traitor ------------- |
Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 21:10
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Posted By: apesako
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 21:18
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I am not telling we should invade now im telling dont act like turks are bettter or stronger then us. and ya ur right our goverment is a puppet to russians. and we need revolution becouse i dont know where are we going like this.
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Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 21:29
No one is better or stronger than anyone else. Whoever uses their strengths better and has more determination will win.
I don't know either. But yes we need a revolution to get rid of this corruption. Now we are speaking the same language. We need a bloodless coup (or maybe blood of Kocharian and his mafia). ------------- Mass Murderers Agree: Gun Control Works! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Resistance Քիչ ենք բայց Հայ ենք։ |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 21:29
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Whoever said anything about "better", better in what? but they are stronger (well, not in man to man combat, we kick ass in that...although in horse archery we lose) Seriously though, Turkey has 1000+ airplanes we dont even reach 100, they "win" in every single military aspect by a large margin ------------- |
Posted By: apesako
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 21:31
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they say the defence minister serj sarkisyan is going to become the next president. what are ur thoughts about this
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 21:34
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However, it must be noted, that in tota war, Armenia could deliver more damage. For example if Turkey bombs Yerevan 1,000,000 or so are targeted whereas if Armenia targets Istanbul 12 million+ will be endangered. Also, as weapons become more modern...it will be easier for small countries to stand up to bullies, where a win solely on manpower would not be achieved ------------- |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 21:38
He is an asshole, and a crook Forbes in Armenia has reported that he is one of the 10 richest people in Armenia, with net worth totaling more than a billion dollars, equaling Armenia's state budget. He probably will become the president based illegal balloting. ------------- |
Posted By: apesako
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 21:41
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ya he is rich but i look it this way if the guy is rich he would want to give some to the people if hes not hell take more from states budget. and insider told my family that hes doing a good thinking about becoming a president
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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 21:44
Istanbul is out of reach. -------------
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Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 21:48
satellite state to be correct. ------------- Bu mıntıka'nın Dayı'sı http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/DayI/2006-03-17_164450_bscap021.jpg - |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 21:58
True, I was thinking about future, not now. Now pray, and pray hard. I am not a military person, thus I dont know what weapons Armenia has, and if even I did, I wouldnt know how good they are. However, Russia is about to install modern weaponry. ------------- |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 21:59
What is this, bash Armenia day? first we are a city state and now a satelite  ------------- |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 22:04
no, he would just steal more, and yes, it is more than a certainty he will be our next president. By the way, since you have insiders, can you please sent him a message from me? Tell him to stop robbing the people. We (the diaspora) are onto him p.s. please dont hurt me ------------- |
Posted By: apesako
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 23:19
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LOL I WONT MAN i am on ur side if i wasnt on ur side i wouldnt be talkin to u right now and 2nd of all i didnt even met the guy and 3rd of all u know the stars under the name how do u fill em up?
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Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2007 at 08:05
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Apesako
MAMIKON UR A TRAITOR TO UR COUNTRY ARMENIAN CAN DO A LOT OF STUFF TO TURKEY. AND 2ND OF ALL WE WILL GAIN OUR LANDS BACK, KAM MAH KAM AREVELYAN HAYASTAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES MAMIKON WHHHHHY U TRAITOOOOR HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH HIS EXALTED HIGHNESS "APESAKO", NOBODY DISAGREES WITH HIM, ITS HIS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY
Apesako
I am not telling we should invade now im telling dont act like turks are bettter or stronger then us. and ya ur right our goverment is a puppet to russians. and we need revolution becouse i dont know where are we going like this.
We got a revolutionary on our hands, VIVA LA REVOLUTION, common fire the first shot everyone's behind you
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Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2007 at 08:20
.But I'm currious apesako what can Armenia do? ------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2007 at 10:34
Well, I guess you have to take it out on someone, since you cant take it out on any of us...wanna see your first posts on AE? ------------- |
Posted By: The Hidden Face
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2007 at 10:58
I was expressing Armenia's social economical and military power. 3 million poor people's Armenia could only be a poor small city of Turkey. Armenia being a satellite state is another issue as well as important. ------------- |
Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2007 at 04:43
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But, Their people are well educated.Much better than most of poor small turkish city..
Economically, armenians offer something but not with their mentality. For now, ROA is benefitless for us but well, It is not a big thread too.
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2007 at 05:24
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What turkish town has 3,000,000 people? Also, Armenia's "social" state is much better than that of its neighbors, including Turkey. And their military is comparative to that of Azerbaijan, and Georgia, if not better. ------------- |
Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 21:59
And Turkey is any better? We are an American colony, damn it!
Only three Turkish cities have more than that: Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir. And they are the best Turkey can offer in terms of modernity and development. ------------- |
Posted By: varpeto
Date Posted: 12-Nov-2011 at 07:24
| Hey I live in Armenia, my ancestors are from this same village Mulasuleyman, near Alashkert, they left in 1828 the village and settled in Tashir region of Armenia now village called Sarchapet, but everyone from your village. One of my relatives visited the village a few years ago and all local residents thought he came after the gold, but we don't know anything about any gold. |
Posted By: varpeto
Date Posted: 12-Nov-2011 at 07:25
| Hey I live in Armenia, my ancestors are from this same village Mulasuleyman, near Alashkert, they left in 1828 the village and settled in Tashir region of Armenia now village called Sarchapet, but everyone from your village. One of my relatives visited the village a few years ago and all local residents thought he came after the gold, but we don't know anything about any gold. |
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Date Posted: 12-Nov-2011 at 07:35
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Date Posted: 16-Nov-2011 at 05:05
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