Whiners
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Topic: Whiners
Posted By: Timotheus
Subject: Whiners
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 22:00
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Over time, I have collected a bunch of historical characters who I have
classified in a category called "Whiners". Can you help me add to this
group? Those who I have so far are: Liutprand of Cremona Isaac Azimov Patrick Henry Confucius ------------- Opium is the religion of the masses. From each according to his need, to each according to his ability. |
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Posted By: King John
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 23:48
| Could you give characteristics of "Whiners"? |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 10:58
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Yes. I'm trying to figure out what those characters have in common.
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Posted By: Timotheus
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 20:04
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There's no real objective definition. These are people who seem to you to be generally truthful and not too detestable, but took every opportunity to whine about whatever annoyed them. Liutprand of Cremona is the ultimate whiner. He whined about Marozia and her pornocracy instead of actually doing something about it, and he whined when he was sent to Byzantium about whatever the Greeks did. He was a good historian, but he whined a lot. There's no perfect definition. That is why this is in Historical Amusement. ------------- Opium is the religion of the masses. From each according to his need, to each according to his ability. |
Posted By: Emperor Barbarossa
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 20:24
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I can see Patrick Henry as a whiner. It is kind of hard for me to come up with a historical whiner though, since the definition is so broad.
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Posted By: Aelfgifu
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 06:05
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Bernard of Claiveaux might qualify... ------------- 
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Posted By: Knights
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 06:08
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The Israelites in the desert for 40 years...man did they whine!
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 06:33
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What did Isaac Asimov whine about? Are we thinking of the same Isaac Asimov - the one who wrote I Robot and stuff?
I can't think of any famous whiners, though I know a few non-famous ones. ------------- |
Posted By: Frederick Roger
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 07:09
How so?
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Posted By: Timotheus
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 21:33
I actually got that impression from a history book of his I read once. After I read about Liutprand of Cremona, I said to myself, "sounds like isaac azimov". Later I added Patrick Henry, and my father suggested Confucius, and I had a list going. ------------- Opium is the religion of the masses. From each according to his need, to each according to his ability. |
Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 00:30
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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 01:31
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Liutprand of Cremona a whiner? Definitely! We could say the same of Edward Gibbon almost, but he comes across more as an accuser on his high horse than a whiner. ------------- |
Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 06:22
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Sylvia Plath. More like a tortured soul with an irrevocable path towards self destruction, but some of those less sensitive individuals might have told her to stop whining and get on with it.. ------------- |
Posted By: Denis
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 08:38
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I agree completely. Another loser (Not perhaps a whiner) is Elizabeth Bishop. Talk about having one hell of an ego; the stupid whinger would sit in a dark room for hours at a time trying to think of the next word to put on to her already bad, unoriginal and unimaginative poetry! ------------- "Death belongs to God alone. By what right do men touch that unknown thing" Victor Hugo |
Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 12:05
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Ah 'The Prodigal' - that's what you are Denis! One day you'll be sitting in a pig-sty with a bottle in your hand and the world like a distant star, and you'll wonder where you've heard this situation described before..
And yes you'll retort- The Bible, hence unoriginal, but the angle and interpretation is different, making her still novel and interesting. She did whine a bit, but in the greatest despair grows the greatest hope for the future. ------------- |
Posted By: Denis
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 13:02
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Hmm... This would be an interesting opportunity for me to engage in phsychanalysis. You predicted my rebuttal before I had a chance and then replied to that (predicted) rebuttal before I had a chance to even make the rebuttal. Call me Sherlock but that smacks of an impatient man... ------------- "Death belongs to God alone. By what right do men touch that unknown thing" Victor Hugo |
Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 13:05
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Cover all angles, that's how you win debates.. ------------- |