Siyah Qalem
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Topic: Siyah Qalem
Posted By: Bulldog
Subject: Siyah Qalem
Date Posted: 21-Jan-2007 at 15:57
Mehmed Siyah Qalem paintings and works from the Siyah Qalem school of painters have recently been shown in quite a few exhibitions in Europe. The collection is from the Topkapi Palace Library and also some European and Russian collectors. He was a Turkmen artist and his works are very original and pretty interesting, I havn't seen anything like it they're quite unique. Here are some examples.
 Turkmen falconer
   14 century art of Mehmed Siyah kalem depicting hunting scene of Central Asia
 Two bound demons
 14 century art of Mehmed Siyah kalem depicting an eagle totem sign for a Turkish tribe
       ------------- “What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.” Albert Pine |
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Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2007 at 13:15
 ------------- “What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.” Albert Pine |
Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2007 at 15:14
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Nice pictures I have seen those of the dervishes before I think I have one(but can't find it) this is a verry good form of miniature art thanks  ------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2007 at 08:11
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Is that something like "ebru sanati"?
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Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2007 at 10:41
I allready open a thread about Miniature art http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16432&KW=miniature - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16432&KW=miniature Ebru sanati is a different form a verry beautifull one indeed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebru - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebru ------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2007 at 18:13
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Ebru also known as "Turkish Paper Marbelling" is a great artform aswell I agree, we should open a post about it. ------------- “What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.” Albert Pine |
Posted By: kotumeyil
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 03:12
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His paintings seem to be a synthesis between eastern and western art. ------------- [IMG]http://www.maksimum.com/yemeicme/images/haber/raki.jpg"> |
Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 08:28
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hmm it's more like mix of East asian(chinese, japanese) and West asian Turkish , persian) Miniature. Spme of them look pure in the style of Lets say Herat(because the style of Herat was seen as the perfect from of Miniature by the Turks & persians) some of the look realy chinese I wish I could give some examples but why can't I upload anymore? ------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 13:52
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Could his name be an artistic signature, like a pen name, and not his real name. I think it literally means black pen. It looks more oriental than western like Xi noted. ------------- |
Posted By: kotumeyil
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 16:59
Sorry, I forgot to say eastern and western asian ------------- [IMG]http://www.maksimum.com/yemeicme/images/haber/raki.jpg"> |
Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 03:31
The problem is that the artist never left there name on the miniature.(it was seen .....well I don't know why but it was a big no no) The goal of the Miniaturist was to perfectly copy the Masters of the Past "the real masters" If a artist showed any trait of style of his own.Than he was unworthy and a failure(weird if you come to think of it) The goal was to not let know if the painting was made to day or 100 years ago. People should not know who made it. So a signature was out of the question( At least in persian & turkish miniature) ------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 06:06
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So Siyah Qalem is not the actual name?, do i understand you correctly. ------------- |
Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 06:36
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Normaly there should be no name on the miniature. But I don't know from wich periode these paintings come. I allso heard that the "new generation" was becomming "cocky" and started to sighn  the paintings or integrating there own style into it.------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
Posted By: kotumeyil
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 08:26
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Those demon figures are animated in the movie "Hacivat Karagoz Neden öldürüldü?" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0485510/ - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0485510/ ------------- [IMG]http://www.maksimum.com/yemeicme/images/haber/raki.jpg"> |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 25-Jan-2007 at 08:38
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Xi_Tujue, Mehmed Siyah Qalem wasn't really a "miniaturist" in the traditional sense. These works are pretty original and neither look similar nor have the same themes and style's commongly seen in "miniatures".
What is known is that there was a "Mehmed Siyah Qalem" but little is known about him. Also there was a school which later started specialising in this style he had created.
These theme's are very striking, he's drawing Djin's, animals, wildlife etc it seem's like a courtly account of the visions of nomadic, semi-nomadic people's. I think he did sign his work but I;m not entirely sure, although it was instantly known to be his because nothing looked remotely similar.
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Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2007 at 13:52
 ------------- “What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.” Albert Pine |
Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2007 at 13:55
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that last picture is like a chinese drawing, i've seen some similar chinese drawings, cool and interesting...
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Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2007 at 14:18
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Its called - The porcelain transport
There is a lot going on in it, who do you think the black guy behind the mountain is? or the one at the top? ------------- “What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.” Albert Pine |