Periyar Ramasami
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Topic: Periyar Ramasami
Posted By: Tipu Sultan
Subject: Periyar Ramasami
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 10:50
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this guy is my hero and a lot of people here dont know about him. Periyar Ramasami ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_17 - September 17 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1879 - 1879 – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_24 - December 24 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973 - 1973 ), also known as E.V. Ramaswami Naicker, EVR, Thanthai Periyar, or just Periyar, was a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist - atheist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_reformer - social reformer , an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activist - activist , and the founder of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidar_Kazhagam - Dravidar Kazhagam and the Self-Respect Movement in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India - Indian state of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Nadu - Tamil Nadu . EVR's given name is Ramaswami. He was from a prominent Telugu Naidu caste, a community that is descended from the Nayak rulers of Tamil Nadu. Hence he is called E. V. Ramaswami Naicker. Periyar means 'respected one' or an 'elder' in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_language - Tamil . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:P34ee3R.jpg">
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MGR paying respects to Periyar's mortal remains Periyar was an atheist. He is well known for his antitheistic statement, "He who created god was a fool, he who spreads his name is a scoundrel, and he who worships him is a barbarian." Periyar's most popular writing is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Ramayana:_A_True_Reading&action=edit - The Ramayana: A True Reading (1959), on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramayana - Ramayana , a Hindu epic. In 1956, he took a procession of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama - Rama 's picture garlanded with slippers near http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmapuri - Dharmapuri and destroyed the portrait in public, which drew widespread protests from Indians whose religious sentiments were hurt. cont........ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periyar_Ramasami |
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Posted By: OSMANLI
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 13:39
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i dont understand how he is considered to be a hero -------------  
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Posted By: Kids
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 13:42
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Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2006 at 13:47
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" In 1956, he took a procession of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama - Rama 's picture garlanded with slippers near http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmapuri - Dharmapuri and destroyed the portrait in public"
Not a nice thing to do, seems like a provocateur, Y is he ur hero? ------------- |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 00:29
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He is tipu's hero, because (these are tipu's comments):
"He who created god was a fool, he who spreads his name is a scoundrel, and he who worships him is a barbarian''
I wonder why tipu is so much fed up of his religion islam that he has personify an athiest as Hero. Tipu's very statements are a contradiction. Let me explain with reference to his religion.
"He who created god was a fool,
Dear Tipu, Allah, the allmighty, was not created by anybody. He himself is the all powerfull creator of the universe.
he who spreads his name is a scoundrel,
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), who was the last prophet of God & spread the name of Allah amongst the ignorant people, was by no means a scoundrel as you seem to belive. He was a perfect & noble man.
and he who worships him is a barbarian'' Tipu you may be a barbarian, that doesn't mean all muslim are barbarian. The followers of islam are not barbarian, they are just like any other group of people in the world.
Periyar was a great man & I like him very much for he represented the athiest religion, one of the concepts in Hinduism. But Please do not try to discredit your own God & Prophet. Maybe you should seek some Psychiatrist's help. Or if you come to Bombay I will be pleased to take you to the Haji Ali Dargah & mosque at Bombay, which I visit regularly. The maulvi there is a very good person. He will be surely able to treat you. ------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: OSMANLI
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 03:36
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Vivek iam going to have to agree with your comments there.
Not trying to have a at you or anything, just wondering how being an athiest is a religion and is a concept of Hinduism. Please explain
 This topic is just weird! -------------
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Posted By: Mortaza
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 03:45
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someone hacked tipu account? An atheist hero for tipu?
God know the best, because I did not understand this.
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Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 03:57
Well the reason is Hinduism is not an monolayered religion like others. In Christianity, you have Christ & God, In Islam you have Allah & Muhammad, In judaism you have Moses, In Zorastrianism, you have Ahura Mazda. They all propound a set of rules which has become the religion.
In hinduism you have n number of gods, concepts, philosophies, all competing with one other & related to each other.
The belief Periyar represented was the classic Abrahamic belief that there is no supreme god. The most powerfull person of the day is the god. While the whole of Hinduism says it is possible to challenge God, the Abrahamic people challenged the concept of the traditional God itself. They said that individual capabilities & power are what make you a God. If you have more of it, you become the god.
Their philosophy was the classical athiest philosophy about refuting theory of creation, asking for proof for the existence of God, if you said you belived in him, demanding you to show his power in actual practice.
This was a very powerful group in indian history always at war with the mainstream society. They were often victorious over the gods But suffered defeats for most of times.
But their was a dichotomy. So long as they were victorious, they were athiests. When defeated they would worship & seek the blessings of Asura Mahadev (Ahura Mazda to iranians), whom they considered as their supreme God, when they didn't consider themselves as God !!! As the frequency of their defeats increased, so also their devotion to this Asura Mahadev.
In Indian History / religion the Assryians, the melaynasians are followers of this belief. ------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 03:57
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All though I am pleased to give the explanations for the subject that has been brought up, I am still at a total loss to understand how tipu has become an athiest overnight & such a great supporter of one of the most ancient Hindu philosphies.
Any way I wish him best of Luck in his new endeavour.
------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 04:14
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Periyar was a very popular politician. The British India was broadly divided into the Bengal, the Bombay & the Madras presidincies. The britishers had come up with the fancy theory of aryan invasion in the subcontinent, which implied that the dravid people of the Madras presidency were the people whom the Aryans had defeated. The theory also implied that the Dravid people were inferior to the aryans of the north India. Periyar made himself a messiah of the dravid people of the Madras Presidiency & advocated the Abrahamic sect of hinduism in its extreme to garner the votes. He founded a party called the Dravida Muneetra Kazagam, which advcated the supremecy of the Abrahamic people & faith & backed it up by opposition to all things north Indian. He became very popular in the United Madras Presidency, but after independence, there were fractures in his popularity in South India as the princely states of Hyderabad, Mysore & some others also joined India. Now these states were also Dravid as per the Aryan invasion theory, but had different languages from the ones Periyar was trying to promote. These new states were also more populous. Further the reorganisation of states in india made a new stat called tamilnadu, which largely fulfilled his demand for a separate state. All this resulted in a gradual decline of the popularity of his doctrine, although DMK, with a different set of beliefs still prospers & presently rules the state of tamilnadu. ------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 04:32
I tried this wiki hyperlink you mentioned tipu, but it says that no such article exists. Could you please post another source for the benefit of people who would be interested in knowing about your new religion / belief. ------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: Tipu Sultan
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2006 at 10:45
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LOL-i understand your emotions vivek regarding him he said to the masses if there is a brahmin and a snake side by side leave the snake and kill the brahmiun first.and hello i am not saying this,if you dont believe me ask vivek himself. and vivek i dont go to these dargahas it is unislamic but some misguided-lol people go there. |
Posted By: AP Singh
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 03:33
No it is not a case of account hacking. It is case of the entering the soul of a devil in to the body of a human being and the Devil has taken control of his mind. God has created the world and nobody created the God. So he did not say anything aagainst GOD.He said lot of bad things against Prophet Mohammad since Prophet spread the name of Allaha (God). That is the problem with all these neo converts who does not understand the Muslim religion and dont know what they are saying. Regarding Periyar I dont know much but first of all he should have changed his name which itself show how much respect his parents had for Rama.He must have done so to get public attention no matter in a bad sense but he may not have been noticed otherwise. I also read Ramayana many times since my childhood and found cetain things illogical but as far as the character of Rama is considered he was 99.99999% a perfect Man (Purishottam). Like the Brahmins have no right to insult the Dalits similarly the dalits also have no right to insult them. Please note that fisrt time the epic of ramayana was written by Rishi Balmiki and this shows that Ram was a very much popular character among all sections of societies. Moreover killing of a brahmins and cow is a act which is prohibited in Hindu religion. Was periyar a muslim or buddha? |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 04:04
Thanks Tipu for converting to my faith & liking my hero.
I can understand why you don't like to go to the mosque at haji Ali. It is for people who want to come with heart's and minds pure. So you possibly think that you are automatically excluded. But please don't feel so frustrated that you have to change your faith. I can understand that one may not want to visit a psychiatrist, but The people at Haji Ali will be able to treat you very nicely. ------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 04:42
Well said indeed...lol ------------- |
Posted By: ashokharsana
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 07:11
Even I am going through a big shock.......What happened to Tipu ???
Some people read a book and start belieing that all written in the book was 100% true . The very next day they get another book and they again straightaway start beleiving that everything i read earlier was false and now i got an authentic info ....
I hope this is not the case with our Tipu sultan
Tipu what about the threads and posts you created earlier ???
Are you willing to edit all those things u posted before 30th oct, 06
I am totally confused  ------------- The Real Ranas, The Real Emperors of India. http://ashokharsana.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=gurjars |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 07:23
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The more important question is which is the next book waiting to be read ? I only hope it is not Mein Kampf. ------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: Tipu Sultan
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2006 at 11:02
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well respected periyar was a great person and i have great respect for him. i am a muslim but that does not mean i cannot have non muslim heroes.the great periyar is my hero. and i dont go to dargahas because stupid people go there(and vivek it is not a mosque)i will go to the mosque but not to the grave,so kindly dont teach me my religion  the great periyar had great respect for muslims and Islam and he infact stated that the muslim invasion of india helped the dalits but he also condemed kings like akbar who married high caste women and forgot about the dalits. and you guys seem to be angry with me,remember i am for dalit reservation in all universities including iim's for thousands of years the brahmins tortured and harassed and raped the dalits but not any more.Islam is the savior of all oppressed people. |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 02:19
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You are getting confused & mixing the facts. First decide your priorities & clear your confusion. And then start fighting for the rights of the underprivilged lower caste & untouchable muslims. Even I was surprised at your confusion for most of the SIMI members I have seen are far more clear & forthright in theri views. ------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: Tipu Sultan
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 10:34
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well a brahmin always remains a brahmin. first of all simi is simi,i hate simi like i hate the rss because both are extremist and anti national groups and dont think you can fool me with your talk vivek. i am not a fool to be fooled by a brahmin. |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 03-Nov-2006 at 07:04
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I had guessed it right, you won't be brave enought to admit your belongings. ------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: Periyar
Date Posted: 03-Nov-2006 at 10:45
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oh yea the old dirty brahmin trick that if you dont agree with a brahmin label him as an outcast but remember vivek you have been proved a liar before in this forum and i am a brave person if i am anti brahmin i say i am one but i am not anti muslim and anti hindu or anti dalit like you , you are an anti dalit and anti muslim and belong to the dirty and filthy organization of rss who killed our father of nation mahatma gandhi. you knew well that gandhiji supported dalits and he was on the verge of conversion to Islam so you hired a brahmin dressed as a muslim to kill him. you cowards,dirty rss walas. |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 01:26
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Congratulations of the increasing refinement in your thoughts & language both. ------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: M. Nachiappan
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2006 at 01:04
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Well, E. V. Ramasami Naicker is mentioned as "Naidu".
He is considered as an "atheist", but he was no so.
It is simple that atheist means disbeliever of God and religion, but EVR disbelieved only Hindu God and religion, but believed non-Hindu Gods and Religions.
Note, by doing so, i.e, believing more Gods of other religions, he became "Kafirs" for Mohammedans / Muslims, "heathens" for Christians, "gentiles" for Jews and so on.
That is why, the real "believing creed" of Muslims and Christians had / have been careful in dealing with him.
However, all, including and particularly, anti-Hindu groups had / have always been happy to beat Hindus with his stick.
His anti-Hindu atheism could be pleasing to others, but, the moment a question is asked, the truth would be revealed.
He could not be an atheist for Mohammedns / Muslims and Christians. He could not convert to any other religion to continue to carry out his type of atheist activities.
Kovur Abraham criticised Hindua and Christians too but not Muslims. Criticising "believers" is different from blashpheming Gods and Goddesses. EVR blashphemed Hindu Gods and Goddesses, but he could not do such experiment with others. So that proves his hypocracy of "atheism".
He had been ambitious and longed for becoming a hero and leader also. But just criticising, abusing, one could not do so. As within Congress, he could not shine, he came pout and started DK. Dis-satisfied with his autocratic acts, C. Annadurai and others came away resulting in DMK, which he used to call as "Kanneer Tuligal" (eye-dropos).
He talked about the rights of Women and so on, but had two wives. He married Maniyammai of young age, when he was an old man. In fact, this was the main reason for CN and others to part away.
Now, scholars like Natarajan and others have started studying EVER critically and psychologically.
Therefore, it is better for the authors of the allempire.com to do some homework, before commenting or passing remarks, just to occupy space and waste valuable time.
Not only that many people who search for information might be misled due to this tiome of distracting and useless discussion.
Anyway, the editor can do something to have some standards.
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