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Topic: who will set up the first colony on the moon?
Posted By: coolstorm
Subject: who will set up the first colony on the moon?
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 09:04
comments?



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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 09:15
ESA.

Nah, a co-op is the most probable option, but if I had to choose one, it would be the Americans.


Posted By: Romano Nero
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 09:29

China?

 

ESA probably



Posted By: coolstorm
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 09:29

who knows what will happen after a century

it's however gotta be one of these countries

china is one of the three countries that can put men into space with its own technology.

europe, india, and japan however are not able to do that yet

by the end of the 22nd century, i can gaurantee u that china will be the largest economy (it's the second largest after usa now) and one of the richest country even on a per capita basis (china's population is expected to decrease to half of its current level in 2090)



Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 09:40
Originally posted by coolstorm

who knows what will happen after a century


it's however gotta be one of these countries


Or the EU.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 09:47
Whoever it will be, they'd better make the earth liveable, instead of the moon or other planets.

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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 09:50
Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli

Whoever it will be, they'd better make the earth liveable, instead of the moon or other planets.

That's what they told Columbus. Better stay here and develop the land, than make silly explorations or colonies.


Posted By: coolstorm
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 09:53
can't it go both ways? make the earth liveable and other planets as well.


Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 10:37
ESA has the know how, but lacks the political will to put money there, there again, Starsem (Soyuz) is half owned by a French company so...


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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 12:24
 

NASA may have the will, but it lacks the capacity.

China lacks the technology.

Russia has the capacity,maybe the will, but not the money.

European Space Agency, is a profit making venture, it has the money and capacity, but not the will, unless the base could somehow be made profitable.

Japan similar to Europe wants profit, it also lacks the capacity.

So it would have an international effort. Only country likely to want to pay for it is the US, but they would need the Europeans and Russians to get them there.



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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 12:43
Originally posted by Paul

So it would have an international effort. Only country likely to want to pay for it is the US, but they would need the Europeans and Russians to get them there.


The Chinese do have the money and will, however lack in the technological field. That's something they can fix though, but with a lacking political will Europe and USA won't come far.


Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 13:48

I actually have a book written in the 70's (i think) that has said that using microwave radiation you could collect energy on the moon, process it and then beam it back down to earth for cheaper than current technology. Of course the book said no company would receive a profit for about 35 years. I'll check my book shelf at home but I think it was called "Colonies in Space".

It was actually quite a good read.

 

Oh and BTW I think an orbiting colony should be more feasible than a moon colony at this point in time.



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Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 19:56

I voted for America, but I bet the first one will be an international space colony.



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Posted By: Christscrusader
Date Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 19:58
I bet none of them will, prehaps India to store its outa control population growth.

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Posted By: sephodwyrm
Date Posted: 03-Dec-2004 at 00:24
All of the above?

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Posted By: coolstorm
Date Posted: 03-Dec-2004 at 02:32
perhaps the human race will have been destroyed in a nuclear conflict by then


Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 03-Dec-2004 at 06:10

Since Russia is out of the game and  although China has made an impressive progress in this field, USA are still way ahead.So....USA.



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Posted By: Anujkhamar
Date Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 03:42
I'd have to say the United states, as they already have a 40 year lead. China might set one up in the 40s, however, im sure that by the time india is capable  of doing this it won't really bother and leach of the american and chinese colonies


Posted By: Omnipotence
Date Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 11:21
I didn't vote, because I think it will be a joint colonization.


Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 17:09
Do you think there will be wars in space as we begin to colonize it?  I say yes, just like there were wars when the New World was colonized.

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Posted By: Gubook Janggoon
Date Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 17:36
Arn't they developing a satellite type thing that'll drop lil lead or metal rods on the earth?  

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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 19:18

No one will colonize the moon unles soem resource is discovered, fiscal incentives are the only reason for colonization.  But if by some chance someone sets up a colony Im betting the Japanese, because their stuff doesnt break as much as the Europeans, and they have alot more to spend then the Americans for example the US up until recently pretty much paid the Japanese defense budget.



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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 21:06
The moon has lots of He3

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Posted By: Anujkhamar
Date Posted: 05-Dec-2004 at 04:46
Originally posted by Cywr

The moon has lots of He3


and i've heard that it is a very good power source and can also be used on long space missions


Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 05-Dec-2004 at 20:37

Originally posted by Anujkhamar

Originally posted by Cywr

The moon has lots of He3


and i've heard that it is a very good power source and can also be used on long space missions

Yeah, it's a reagent for one type of nuclear fusion I believe.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 15:18

Forget Government-funded programs.

private enterprises will be the first to establish settlement in the Moon.

case in point, Space Galantica, a space travel company created by billionaire Richard Branson, successfully launched manned space flights to space, 2 flights in 5 days.  http://ecoustics-cnet.com.com/Commercial+space+travel+to+take+flight/2100-1026_3-5384350.html - http://ecoustics-cnet.com.com/Commercial+space+travel+to+tak e+flight/2100-1026_3-5384350.html

  • currently, no Government can do that.


Posted By: pytheas
Date Posted: 22-Dec-2004 at 02:53
China is not afraid of their own proverbial shadow, they have more political motivation to push sush plans forward...The U.S. is second guessing itself and will need to get back on the horse (ie: develop a new propulsion system, and transport unit) quickly.

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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2004 at 06:40
Latest Delta/Atlas rocket systems will cover US's orbital transfer problem, cheaper than the shuttle too, ironicly.

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Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2004 at 09:31

well  they are checking if there is water on Mars

so i guess the moon is the secound option.

Mars first

 

( my opinion is to spend all these Billions on the poverty in the US itself instead wasting it on some useless missions to Mars to check if there WAS water or not)

 

 



Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2004 at 09:53
I think the first sellenites will be US Americans...

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Posted By: chessrook1
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2004 at 01:47

Neither, if you meant a setting up territorial colonies like our ancestors did in other parts of the world in the past. I remember reading awhile back when I was a kid that there’s some kind of treaty signed by various nations that prohibit territorial claims on heavenly bodies as a nation. However, I think we can send space stations or scientific stations on the planets like in antartica to study, terraform, mine for resources, and help individuals colonize the moon and the mars. But the moon has no atmosphere and the atmosphere on Mars is thin to prevent heavy radiation from hitting the surface like our atmosphere does. Think Schwarzenegger’s move "Total Recall". There are gullible individuals that have bought land plots on the Moon from some guy but I think he’s a crackpot and scam artist. If it’s scientifically possible to terraform the moon and mars to look like earth, it could take centuries for the change to happen. Too late for current "owners" to make any use of their newly bought celestial plots.



Posted By: chessrook1
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2004 at 02:13

BTW, they already discovered hundreds of new solar systems in other parts of the galaxy, some of them orbit their sun/s in strange way, stranger than ours. But most of them are Jupiter size planets. It’s too hard for us yet to find small earth like blue planets. Check this website out for new solar systems listings.

http://www.obspm.fr/encycl/catalog.html - http://www.obspm.fr/encycl/catalog.html

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/solarsys/forming.html - http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/solarsys/forming.htm l

http://outreach.jach.hawaii.edu/pressroom/1998_vega/ - http://outreach.jach.hawaii.edu/pressroom/1998_vega/



Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2004 at 10:01
And shall that star-spangled banner yet wave o'er the land of the moon?

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Posted By: TheOrcRemix
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2004 at 11:01

i voted for usa



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Posted By: Benceno
Date Posted: 03-Jan-2005 at 19:55
If we do not destroy ourselves before, I would say that China has a good chance, and the US if they give money to the NASA like in the Apollo days.
If Russia wouldn't be bankrupt maybe them too.


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Posted By: Serge L
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2005 at 18:42
Originally posted by Tobodai

But if by some chance someone sets up a colony Im betting the Japanese, because their stuff doesnt break as much as the Europeans,

 

Are you sure? did yoi foget the HIIA fiasco, or the mars probe that got lost in outer space?

I would not certainly understimate Jaxa, Hayabuse is a splendid concept, but I'd say that if a first world space agency recently had big problems with defective equipment, that is the Japanese one.

As to the topic question, I too would say it will probably be a multinational effort, with NASA and ESA as main players, but a lot of space for other agencies (Japanese, Rusian, Chinese and even others, like the Indians, for instance, or even the Ukrainians)



Posted By: Serge L
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2005 at 18:55

Originally posted by Cywr

Latest Delta/Atlas rocket systems will cover US's orbital transfer problem, cheaper than the shuttle too, ironicly.

Pretty much everything conceivable is cheaper than a Shuttle - a splendid concept, this latter, but probably far ahead of time. Why do you think Russians and French/Europeans aborted their Shuttle-like programs (Buran and Hermes, respectively)?

Probably, next century some economically competitive shuttle-like crafts will fly. For the meantime, expendable launchers seem the most sensible solution.

However, the American EELV's you mention are still quite more expensicve then their international competition, like the European Ariane 5 or the Rusian Proton, just to mention the heavvy class. In fact, Boeing renounced to compete in the civilian market with its Delta 4, and just counts on military orders (however, Boeing is part of the multinational sea-launch corporation, which is competitive with its Russo-Ukrainian rockets). Lokheed-Martin is traying to compete in the free market with its Atlas 5 . . . by having large parts of it built abroad, mainly in ex-Sovietic countries.



Posted By: Serge L
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2005 at 18:58

Oh, the horrible spell of my previous post!

How can one run the spell checker here? I have been able no more after the forum change because of the pro-boards affair.



Posted By: Vamun Tianshu
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2005 at 22:41
I say no one.We as humans do not deserve to set up colony on the moon,or mars,or the ocean,or anywhere else.When it is our time to go,I say,yes,it is our time.Excuse me for my opinion,if it offends anyone.

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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 13-Jan-2013 at 10:02
What for?Our survival on Earth is mystery,our survival on Moon&Mars is impossible...Radiation will kill us all
.We have to learn how to create artificial Life Boats in space.Landing&Launching ships are waste of time and
energy!First steps of baby:Artificial gravity and magnetic field!Big smileIndustrial zone for future space missions we can create in Low Earth Orbit also...Do not waste time for new hot water inventions!Invent space power
plant that can gives us energy far away from Stars.


Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2013 at 07:10
No one! The moon is too small to sustain an atmosphere so it is no good for colonization. 



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