Liberators of your country
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Topic: Liberators of your country
Posted By: gcle2003
Subject: Liberators of your country
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 03:15
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As a response to Shamiri's thread, how about a list of liberators of your country?
I guess it would be a lot shorter.
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Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 03:20
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Foreign liberators in Germany: Napoleon who liberated us from the Middle-Ages, and the allied forces in WW2 ( yes, including the Red Army) who liberated us from the Nazi-Regime. ------------- [IMG]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/komnenos/crosses1.jpg"> |
Posted By: xristar
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 04:32
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Liberated from the nazi regime? Eh...
The Germans weren't that enthusiastic of the allies (and especially the soviets) coming. That however can be said for the Italians, who seem to have felt liberated from Mussolini.
Liberators of Greece? Hmm...
All of Greece was once occupied, in WWII. The country was not exactly liberated. The Germans pulled out. Practically it was the communist guerillas that took over the country, but I wouldn't go too far and call them liberators. The british that landed at Athens, were neither liberators, when they arrived most of the country was under guerilla control. But I guess they are the official liberators, as they 'liberated' Athens from the guerillas, and established the governement that was in Lebanon until then, and today Greece is descendant of that government. ------------- 
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Posted By: Aelfgifu
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 08:15
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Willam of Orange-Nassau started our liberation from the Spaniards, his sons Maurits and Frederik-Hendrik finished it.
The English and Prussians liberated us from the French.
The Americans and Canadians liberated us from the Germans.
Now all we need is someone to save us from prime minister Balkenende and his liberal friends...  ------------- 
Women hold their councils of war in kitchens: the knives are there, and the cups of coffee, and the towels to dry the tears. |
Posted By: Exarchus
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 08:27
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I would say the Allied during WWII (including the Free French Forces) and the revolutionaries as well as the philosophers (Diderot, Rousseau etc...). That's all I can think about
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Posted By: Lmprs
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 08:31
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M. Kemal Ataturk commanded the regular Turkish army against the invading Greeks.
He organized the rebellions in various Ottoman provinces which were occupied by Allies during First World War. He was also the founder of modern Republic of Turkey. ------------- |
Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 09:04
In historical retrospective, of course it was a liberation.
The people at the time might not have realised it to that extent, but anecdotal evidence (my grannies's stories) seem to indicate that most Germans on the W4estern Front were pretty glad when the Allies finally came, simply because they had enough of the war and just wanted it to finish, no matter what the outcome. Most of them were pretty sick and tired of the Nazi-regime too, but cared probably little at the time, what political system would replace it, as long as it stopped the war and fed them. As soon things started to go back to normal, the Germans realised that it had been indeed a liberation in the truest sense of the word.
On the Eastern Front, it was certainly different, partly because of the relentless Nazi propaganda that had the Germans indoctrinated against the Soviets, and partly because the advancing Red Army didn't behave in the way they should have. In view of the German atrocities in the East, and the huge sacrifices of the Soviet population, revenge was somewhat understandable, which doesn't excuse it of course.
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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 09:06
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Clemement Atley who liberated use from the poverty, ill health and the full might of the market.
The roundheads who liberated us from autocracy.
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Posted By: Aster Thrax Eupator
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 09:19
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William III joined Holland and Britian in union that eventually started the foundations for economic growth by Dutch buisness practices. Without William III, we would probably not have grown to the economic power that we are now. I am not saying that it is all thanks to him, but he did play a major part. The British could simply not compete with the Dutch commerically, so we joined them in union! Thank you holland! ------------- |
Posted By: Aster Thrax Eupator
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 09:22
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Those are some good ones, Paul but the Roundheads, yes, did deliver us from Autocracy, but they were also fanatical and puritain Christians. ------------- |
Posted By: NikeBG
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 12:21
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Well, the first could be the Vlachs, who took part in our liberation movement from the Byzantines in the late 12th century. And then there are the Russians, who liberated us from the Ottomans in 1878 (although their government wanted actually to occupy us and so it did in WWII). Oh, and there were Romanian, Finnish and some other detachments with them too...
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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 14:30
Fanatical Puritans were certainly a there amongst those who made up the Roundheads but they were only one of many who included Levellers, Diggers, Ranters, Athiests and so on. ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 16:09
And vice versa. In 1795 the Republic was pretty much an Anglo-Prussian vassal state.
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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 17:36
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George Washington. Who liberated us from England's grip.
Ok there wer more factors there but Washington is definitly up ther in being a liberator! ------------- |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 19:02
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for Armenia, sadly to say...none ------------- |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 19:11
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Estonians were 'liberated' from Estonian rule by the Russians. We must be grateful... during the WWII I mean.
Of course, in 1918, Estonians 'liberated' themselves from the Russian rule.
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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 19:24
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To the first Iraqi who says George W Bush,
I'll run naked through the streets of Bagdad singing the star spangled banner.. ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 19:39
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I want to keep the foreign element to remind Americans of the importance of others... Baron von Steuben, Prussian drill instructor who made out conventional troops suck less, he may have been a pedophile worse than MJ but he saved us all. Marquis de Lafayette, held the army together at the battle of Princeton, participated in 2 revolutions on both sides of the lake. And of course dropping the foreign element now...
Abraham Lincoln who liberated an entire people, first only in the rebel states, but his policies carried through to reconstruction, he also despite them not willing to admit it, liberated the south from its own useless stupidity and backwards feudalism.
And Susan B Anthony, who started the political liberation of women by voting and being a pain to the powers that be.
To me, Theodore Roosevelt was also a liberator, liberating children from brutal work conditions and liberating the environment of our most important natural landmarks.
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Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 27-Jul-2006 at 20:01
You can look at the Soviet invasion and Armenia's inclusion into the Soviet Union as a sort of liberation from further Turkish invasions and raids. Even though Armenians actually fought off the Red Army while simultaneously at war with Ataturk's army, it actually paid off in the end (sort of...). But ya...thats about it  Actually I just remembered...In the 10th century, Armenian general Smbat Bagratuni ended the Arab occupation of Armenia when his army of 40,000 crushed an Arab army that was 80,000 strong. ------------- Mass Murderers Agree: Gun Control Works! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Resistance Քիչ ենք բայց Հայ ենք։ |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 04:50
And of course the royalists who liberated us from the roundheads.
An interesting character there is George Monck, no? First he (helped) liberate England from the crown, then he liberated England from the commonwealth. ------------- |
Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 05:01
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Thankful to say, we have never been in need of liberation. We asked for
democracy and got it, we asked for federation and got it, we fought off
the Japanese on our own resources and were successful. Let's hope our
track record continues to be as simple and clean.
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Posted By: Aelfgifu
Date Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 05:16
Yes, also true... Gosh, we have been liberated lots of times, havent we?  -------------
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Posted By: Northman
Date Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 06:13
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This action led to further insurrection against the Germans. Ebbesen died in a large battle at Skanderborg Castle (Skanderborg Slot) in December 1340.
He was recognized as the first Danish Freedomfighter and a statue to his honor is erected in front of Randers' Old City Hall today.
Of course - this is the way we see him.
Reading the german sources, he is portrayed as a murderer and terrorist.
Again - there is no truth in history - only points of view.
What stands is...
If not for his deed, we would most probably be speaking German today.
Feel welcome to read more on my homepage (its old, but readable).
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A Danish nobleman and national hero Niels Ebbesen, killed Count Richard (Gerhard) III of Holstein on April 1, 1340 during the Kingless Times, when the entire country was pledged to German counts. Posted By: perikles
Date Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 09:04
| noone liberate us Although we had many conqueror. Every time we had to rebel and send away the conquerors. |
Posted By: Kalevipoeg
Date Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 13:50
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We have been liberated in 1918. in the war of independence by Estonians, Finns, Danes, Swedes and Jews. These popped into my mind during the first thought. ------------- There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge... |
Posted By: Konstantis
Date Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 16:20
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One could say that we were liberated with the aid of Great Britain,France and Russia but this happened only during the last years of our War of Indipendence(1821-1830).The sea battle of Navarino was critical for the success of our struggle.At this battle the joned British,French and Russian fleet smashed the joined turkish-Egyptian one.But it is an exaggeration to say that the Great Powers of that time were our liberators.
During WWII the Greek guerilla groups were receiving ammunition,money ad information by the British airforce and the British Intelligence.When the German forces evacuated Greece,the British landed in Athens but what followed was a battle between Greek communist guerillas and the British forces(December 1945).
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 18:34
Ma juba judsin mainida kik meid 'vabastanud' venelased.
Sorry about that... It is actually quite interesting that all Russians think they are the liberators of the world... from Germans, from ourselves. ------------- |
Posted By: Kalevipoeg
Date Posted: 29-Jul-2006 at 06:24
And they are still waiting for us to thank them for the time they raped our country.  ------------- There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge... |
Posted By: reetkever
Date Posted: 29-Jul-2006 at 09:19
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Well, i'm a belgian ( technicly Flemish but i call my self gentenaar ( of the city of Ghent )) and we had the joy of being conquered by every neighbour atleast twice and even the ones further away like spain and hungary/austria had the pleasure of conquering us. The problem was that belgium(the netherlands in general) is a perfect battlefield, very flat, rather rich, lots of cities and villages for bridgeheads, several rivers for easier logistics(The schelde is a natural invasion route from France into Belgium), but the main problem was that we were always on both sides of the invading armies(and the invading armie that came to liberate us). Even in my own family where 1 uncle was in the german army who got to 80 kilometres of Moskou and my grandfather lost some of his friends while they tried to get Britisch pilotes out of german territory. |
Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 30-Jul-2006 at 01:19
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Our occupiers, the Sydney Swans, just won a major battle forcing the
Kangaroos back to North Melbourne. This bodes badly, because without
the presence of a Kangaroos base here there is nothing to stop the
Swans from gaining a stronger foothold. ------------- |
Posted By: Gharanai
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2006 at 10:06
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First of all the person who liberated us and made a saperate country for us the Great Ahmad Shah Abdali then it was Amir Ghazi Amanullah Khan who liberated us from the British, then it was the Mujahedeen (infact the USA) who liberated us from Russians and now lets see who is next on the line who will liberate us from the World Powers aka NATO. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 00:06
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Obviously Kolokotronis, but there were countless others who I can't be bothered to discuss as they have probably already been discussed on here many, many times.
As for Cyprus, Makarios was a liberator, being the spiritual leader against the British. But also the likes of Afxentiou, Nikos Sampson (a brave man who fought the Turkish terrorist TMT) and countless others. ------------- |
Posted By: Mila
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 00:22
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Husein Gradascevic lost the battle but he did win the war, largely
because of the actions of the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian authorities
after his defeat. He led a revolt against Ottoman rule fueled by
Bosnian resentment following the Sultan's decision to award the by-then
Bosniak-populated Sandzak to Serbia. He lost, but both the Ottomans and
Austro-Hungarians treated him so poorly (I don't mean tortured, I mean
not treated like the noble he was) that it greatly offended the
sensibilities of the Bosnian aristocracy and, through them, the
peasantry. This made his ideals stronger than ever and Bosnia was never
really at peace with the Ottoman Empire for the rest of its duration in
this region. Gavrilo Princip and Josip Broz Tito are questionable examples, but each were liberators in their own way. Gavrilo Princip, who dreamed of a united, pan-Slavic state (not a Greater Serbia as nationalists on all sides will tell you today) started WWI, which led to Bosnia's freedom from Austro-Hungarian rule - which was never, despite Austria's every effort, appreciated following so many centuries of Ottoman rule, brought down by a desire for independence. Josip Broz Tito liberated Bosnia from every imaginable force during WWII. He broke the Serbian Cetniks, the Croat and Bosniak Ustasa, the pro-Italian Croat paramilitaries, Allied paramilitaries, and so on. Both these characters are now viewed much differently than they were in their time, though. ------------- |
Posted By: Bashibozuk
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 15:02
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Makarios was just a bloody butcher, who comitted a genocide against the Turks of Cyprus. After he got ass kicked by Greek coup d'etat, Sampson came and he continued the dirty job of Enosis. Though he also got his ass kicked, but this time by our F-16s.
BTW TMT was a freedom fighter organisation for resistance against the oppressive Greek policies to exterminate Turks of Cyprus.
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Posted By: The Chargemaster
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 15:44
Interesting... Do you want the talibans back? ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2006 at 21:14
Firstly, the TMT probably killed more Turkish Cypriots than they did Greek Cypriots, largely owing to the fact they needed a necessary pretext and justification from which to recruit and begin open hostilities, they did this via agent provocateur actions in which Denktash (check Christopher Hitchens Hostage to History for more information) has admitted he was a part of. So in terms of creating ethnic-strife, then yes, their terrorist mission was successful, as have the authorities in the occupied areas been successful with destroying a large number of Churches (including one Catholic one - which has been converted into a Mosque). But remember my friend, what matters now is quite simple: No EU till Neighbours say so
 it's as simple as that. And whatsmore, with the situation in Northern Iraq, the Iraq invasion itself (and Turkey's rejection of the financial deal offered to them) as well as the increasing power of the Islamists and anti-Western attitude in Turkey - Your relationship with America is at breaking point, that being of course, the only thing that has allowed you to annex EU land in such a way, and believe me, when American attitude towards Turkey begins to shift inexorably towards a less friendly approach - your days of being able to flaunt International Law are over.As for Archbishop Makarios, he was a hero, and a true Christian, and whatsmore a true Greek. While the Turks were the Vichy like Collabarators with the British occupying forces, the men of EOKA were fighting for the freedom of Cyprus, not one Turkish Cypriot joined the struggle, and yet they want to be called 'Cypriots'. Hah! Don't make me laugh.
Cyprus is a Greek island, it's native inhabitants are Greeks, it's predominant culture is Greek, it's predominant language is Greek, it's predominant religion is Greek Orthodoxy. Cyprus is eternally Greek, no one can change this, it is impossible to rewrite history in such a way. That is why referring to Turks (or rather, Islamized Greeks in the occupied areas) as Turkish 'Cypriots' is such an oxymoronic statement.
"Another whiskey for Kemal monsieur!"
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Posted By: bg_turk
Date Posted: 08-Aug-2006 at 00:30
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The Cyprus problem is a blacklisted topic. Please spare us your distorted and nationalistic diaharea. Blaming Turkish Cypriots for not supporting the Greek Cypriot fight for ENOSIS with Greece, which would have lead to their destruction, is the most absurd statement I have heard in a while. ------------- http://www.journalof911studies.com - http://www.journalof911studies.com |
Posted By: Exarchus
Date Posted: 09-Aug-2006 at 16:56
What about the French? ------------- Vae victis! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2006 at 06:41
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Liberators
Viriato- from roman invasion ( for 8 years won every battle against the roman legions )
Afonso Henriques ( 1st king, liberated us from the muslims )
Nuno Alvares Pereira- from Spain
Brites de Almeida ( from Spain )
Don Joo 5 - from Napoleon
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Posted By: John Lenon
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2006 at 11:06
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The main question is Liberation from what ?
For Latvia:
1. Teutonic knights (germans) from pagan religion'
2. Sweden from germans
3. Russia from Sweden
4. 1917 Revolution from Russia
5. USSR from capitalism
6. Nazi from Communists
7. USSR from Nazi
8. Perestroika from USSR
9 ...
10 ...
What next ?
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Posted By: Kalevipoeg
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2006 at 12:21
Lets stick with the liberation of the democratic Latvian government for you Lenon!
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 14-Aug-2006 at 17:57
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Lenon, your list, I think has some mistakes:
1. Livonian Order (there is a difference), or the Livonian Brethern of Swords from the pagan religion
2. Poland from the Germans (wasn't Latvia controlled by the Polish more than the Swedish; If I remember correctly, then the Swedish nver ruled Latvia or any parts of it)
3. Russia from Poland
4. Latvian Republic from Russia
5. Germans from the Latvian Republic
6. Soviet Russia from the Germans
7. Latvian Republic from the Soviet Russia
8. USSR from the Latvian Republic
9. Hitler's Germany from the USSR (or from Latvian Repulbic, I don't know in which order did they occur)
10. USSR from Hitler's Germany
11. Latvian Republic from the USSR.....
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Such a list for Estonia would be much more complicated:
1. Russians from our independence (the 1035 Conquest of Eastern Estonia)
2. Estonians from Russia
3. Livonian Order from Estonians
4. Swedish from Estonians
5. Danish from Estonians
6. Germans from Swedish
7. Germans from Danish
8. Polish from Germans
9. Swedish from Germans
10. Russian Empire from the Swedish and Polish
11. the First Estonian Republic from the Soviet Russia
12. Germans from the First Estonian Republic
13. the First Estonian Republic from the Germans
14. the USSR from the First Estonian Republic
15. Hitler's Germany from the USSR
16. the USSR from Hitler's Germany
17. the Second Estonian Republic from the Russian Federation
And that is almost all, I am pretty certain that I forgot something though. Kalevipoeg, maybe help me out? ------------- |
Posted By: John Lenon
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2006 at 04:48
Yes I forgot to write Polland, but I just want to show the principle of Liberation
  Polland Liberate Latvia from Germans (in this meaning Knigts) after Livonia war (1558-1583).
What for Sweden it rulled a part of Latvia after Sweden-Polland war (1600-1629) till 18 century, when Russian Czar Peter 1 won Sweden and got "a way to sea" for Russia ... But it was very often (may be always before 1918) that one part of modern Latvia terirtory (I think the same for Lithuania, Estonia and some others) belong to one ruler, but other to another ruler ...
All the times there was enough with Liberators
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2006 at 05:11
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No, from the end of the Great Northern War, Estonia was ruled entirly by Russia (or Denmark owned Saaremaa, but I think not. Oh, it didn't, Saaremaa went to Denmark in 1618, I think).
Mostly it was ruled by two rulers. Germans and Danes; Danes and Swedes; Swedes and Poles; Poles and Russians; Russians.
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2006 at 05:57
I have to remind You that we helped You against Soviets. Polish troops were fighting in Latvia and in 1921 peace with Soviet Russia was signed in Riga. It wouldn't happend if we haven't beaten Soviet Russia in 1920 in the Battle in Warsaw.
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Posted By: John Lenon
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2006 at 09:34
Sorry , but I did not hear about Polish troops fighting in Latvia. May be you can write some info about it ?
Latvia had signed peace with Soviet Russia in 11.08.1920, because of Latvian and Estonian army success in fighting with "bolsheviks". Of cource this success was possible because of Russian Civil War/October Revolution and all others War conflicts after WWI, including Polland vs Soviet Russia.
But the one part of Latvia (south-eastern) was "liberated" by Soviet Union from Polland in 1939 ...
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2006 at 11:19
That is strange that You don't know that. Polish-Latvian forces leaded by general Rydz-Śmigły defeated Bolsheviks and pushed them out of Latvia in 1919-1920. e.g. Dynenburg ( Daugavpils in Latvian ? ) was liberated by Polish army. Polish army fought mainly in part of Latvia called Łatgalia ( I don't know how to call it in Latvian). Success of Latvian and Estonian army was only possible because Poland beat Soviet Russia in Battle of Warsaw. Had we not succeeded You would be swallow by Russia in the same year.
Also I don't know about which part of Latvia You say that was liberated from Poland. We didn't occupy any part of Latvia.
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Posted By: John Lenon
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2006 at 11:56
Thank you for usefuul information.
 It is strange, but in Latvian official history books I have read only about German army (general fon Der Golc) help in fighting with "bolsheviks" ... But Germans had their own plans about Latvia future ...
It calls Latgale (Łatgalia) (before WW2 there was Latvia - Polland border). The part of Polland territory (near Latgale) after 1945 have become a part of Latvian territory . As I know the same situation Poland have with Lithuania (Vilnius,etc), Belorussia and Ukraine.
OK. Of course I agree. But success for indpendence of Polland (after 1917) and others parts of Russian Empire was only possible because of Latvian rifflemen, who helped Lenin and his "comrades" make a Revolution in Russia
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Posted By: Kalevipoeg
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2006 at 12:33
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Majkes wrote: "Success of Latvian and Estonian army was only possible because Poland
beat Soviet Russia in Battle of Warsaw. Had we not succeeded You would
be swallow by Russia in the same year." Well, the success of the Estonian army was due to the guns we got from the Brittish and Finns, and of course our commanders. Estonia was free of red elements already by February 1919. and in May we drove the frontline onto Soviet soil. The battle of Warsaw didn't affect our military success as it was fought in August 1920 and our military hadn't fought any battles in 1920 as we had made peace with the USSR. What the battle of Warsaw did do, was secure us against a second war with the Soviets. ------------- There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge... |
Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2006 at 13:31
Ok, I agree with You that You won Your independence by Yourself forces, though Latvia with our little help. But if the battle of Warsaw would be won by Soviet Russia I don't think they would honour any peace with You and we all would be citizens of one big communism paradise .
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Posted By: John Lenon
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2006 at 14:50
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Yeah, as history shows signed peace is just an armistice. I agree with Majkes, taht Baltic states and Poland was very lucky that won independece in 1918-1921 ... In other case it could be more terrible then 1939&1940 ... a lot of people could be "liberated" of their lives
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2006 at 15:10
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Ukrainians didn't manage to gain independence ( partially our fault ) and Stalin punished them for their disobedience. 6 millions Ukrainians died from the hunger in 30s.
By the way today is the 86th anniversary of Battle of Warsaw which is a national holiday in Poland. The Battle is also considered to be 18th most important battle in World history. It was called as such by British ambassador in Berlin Lord d'Abernon.
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2006 at 17:41
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I wanted to say the same thing as Kalevipoeg, but he beat me to it...
Today or yesterday, everything is the same.
18th most important battle? What were the others? ------------- |
Posted By: Barbarroja
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2006 at 07:02
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A liberation for somebody can be the oposite for another person but i think Spaniards had liberated us by ourself but with some foreing help. E.g. in the independence war against France when England help us, or during the Reconquista, many foreing soldiers came to Spain in the Crusade (French, Borgonian, Italian, Scottish, etc.). |
Posted By: Croppy Boy
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2006 at 07:05
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Does the Liberation have to suceed? Because in that case, Ireland would have a pretty short list. ------------- All along that singing river that black mass of men was seen High above their shining weapons flew their own beloved green Death to every foe and traitor! Whistle out the marching tune! |
Posted By: The Gypo
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2006 at 07:57
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anyone who liberated us Egyptians...tended to stay longer than needed
Romans>Greeks>Arab>French>Turk>French/British>British...
then Nasser decided to completely wipe our identity of "Egyptian" origins by calling it the Arab Republic of Egypt
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2006 at 09:10
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Hmm, I would add Assyrians and Persians to The Gypo's list. ------------- |
Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 16-Aug-2006 at 15:44
Answering Your question:
1. Marathon
2. Syracuzy
3. Arbela
4. Metaurus
5. Teutonberg Forrest
6. Fields of Katalaun? don't know in English but it is a btalle in which Atilla's army was stopped by Romans.
7. Tours
8. Hastings
9. Orleans
10. destruction of Spanish fleet 1588
11. Blenheim
12. Połtawa
13. Saratoga
14. Valmy
15. Waterlo
16. Sedan
17. Marna
18 Warsaw 1920
I must add it wasn't me who did that list and I don't agree with some choices like Waterlo or Hastings.
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2006 at 05:25
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Hmmh. The Batle of Catalaunian Fields, it is called in English. And so is it also Syracuse... and Teutoburg Forest...
You know me, always babbling about names. lol
I first looked at the 17th and saw Marna, WTF is it? Then I understood, 'Marne'... and Waterloo. I am wondering why did he put Marathon so high. But this belongs to the Military subforum. ------------- |
Posted By: The Gypo
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2006 at 05:37
| thanks rider...persians after greeks..i dont know where the assyrians were |
Posted By: Red4tribe
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2006 at 19:05
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No one has ever really liberated America,the closest is France since they helped us out in the Revolution and we would have lost without them.The Netherlands and Spain supplied us too. ------------- Had this day been wanting, the world had never seen the last stage of perfection to which human nature is capable of attaining. George Washington - March 15, 1783 |
Posted By: Great Khan
Date Posted: 02-Sep-2006 at 12:56
| Bulgaria was firs liberated by khan Kubrat.He liberated us from the avarians in the beginig of the 7th century (thats for the ''Old Great Volga Bulgaria'').In 1185 the two brothers Asen and Petar liberated us from the byzantine empire (im speaking for present day Bulgaria)than in 1878 the russians with the help of romanians and fins liberated us from the ottoman empire.Maybe their wish was to replace the ottomans but they liberated us. |