Black ottoman.
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Topic: Black ottoman.
Posted By: xi_tujue
Subject: Black ottoman.
Date Posted: 03-Jun-2006 at 10:34
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what do you know about african people in the ottoman empire.
What was their role were they slaves, wa
 rriors, local rulers .if you look on the left you see a african soldier or eaven a officer(he's on the first row)
what do you think ------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
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Posted By: Giannis
Date Posted: 03-Jun-2006 at 13:38
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As far as i know the ottoman empire used several persons from different ethnicities to serve them in high positions, like army and navy officers. You can also find and rulers of specific regions. Their ethnicity was usually greek, jewish and italian, but propably there were a lot more. I had once found a very interesting story about an english ''pasha'', but don't know if its true. My opinion is that black ottomans could be active members of the empire, but not in esteme positions, propably soldiers or petty officers. Sorry, for my english. -------------  Give me a place to stand and I will move the world.
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Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 03-Jun-2006 at 17:52
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there where black womens in Ottoman harems who served the "valide sultans", kind of slaves.
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Posted By: Decebal
Date Posted: 03-Jun-2006 at 18:30
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Slaves from many regions of the world could and did occupy very high positions in the government in Islamic empires such as the Ottoman. Racism was not a big concern as far as I know. Black slaves in the Ottoman Empire likely came from East Africa. I'm not sure about high placed black slaves in Ottoman history. but I am aware of petty muslim sultanates in India in the 14th and 15th centuries, where Abyssinian slaves actually became high viziers, and thus the real power in the state. ------------- What is history but a fable agreed upon? Napoleon Bonaparte Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.- Mohandas Gandhi 
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Posted By: Ikki
Date Posted: 03-Jun-2006 at 20:14
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I think you are confused with the picture, isn't Almanzor from Al-Andalus?
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Posted By: Maharbbal
Date Posted: 03-Jun-2006 at 20:15
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Hi,
Just reading the Arabian nights (which are not set during the Ottoman period) one can realize how harsh were the anti-black people feelings in the medieval muslim society. ------------- I am a free donkey! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 10:15
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hi xi_tujue,
Just curiosity,who is that in the painting? ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 10:17
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I am so distracted,sorry for the repeat but ;
Just curiosity,who is that sultan in the painting? ------------- |
Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 11:21
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Accually I don't know(pardon me) I gott it of a post on this forum.
There were pic of the conquest of constantinople fatih entering the city it stood. ------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
Posted By: Maharbbal
Date Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 11:55
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This is a 19th c. European painting presenting the conquest of Constantinople by Mehmet II. ------------- I am a free donkey! |
Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 12:04
I was right ( whowhoooooooooooooo) ------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 12:40
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thanx guys.. By any chance does anyone knows the artist,if you don't think I take it too far?;) ------------- |
Posted By: Ikki
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2006 at 16:54
ouch  i thought was Almanzor.
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Posted By: Kapikulu
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2006 at 17:41
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African people were mostly brought to Anatolia as slaves or servants among the ships coming from Algeria,Libya and Tunisia.In those North African provinces of Ottoman Empire, slave trading was common and those were brought by the captains and pirate ships working for the Ottoman Empire, and eventually many of them were also brought to the Ottoman Palace.
I wish TJK was here to post about the issue..He knew quite a lot of deal about this issue and we had a great discussion with him about that in proboards time of AE. ------------- We gave up your happiness Your hope would be enough; we couldn't find neither; we made up sorrows for ourselves; we couldn't be consoled; A Strange Orhan Veli |