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Topic: OBL: West wars on Islam.
Posted By: pikeshot1600
Subject: OBL: West wars on Islam.
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 10:12

OBL's ghost says, according to Reuters, that the cutting off of aid to Hamas shows the West makes war on Islam.

What an ass hole. 




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Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 10:22

what is or who is OBL?

 



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Posted By: Perseas
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 10:49
Originally posted by azimuth

what is or who is OBL?

OBL = Osama Bin Laden



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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 10:49

Osama Bin Laden.

Funny how he only makes a showing when the Bush admin wants to remind the American populace of the crusade on "terror", just more nonsense to mask its economic and military incompetence.



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Posted By: Goban
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 10:56

I wonder how he can make such claims when there are many fine Muslim men and women serving in the U.S. armed forces...

Edit: Or should I say armed forces of the west.  Sorry about that.

 



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Posted By: pikeshot1600
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 11:21
Originally posted by Zagros

Osama Bin Laden.

Funny how he only makes a showing when the Bush admin wants to remind the American populace of the crusade on "terror", just more nonsense to mask its economic and military incompetence.

No, it is a desperate attempt of OBL's associates to remain relevant, and, even more important, to keep the channels of money open so they can stay out of the way, while others kill themselves.

Bin Laden in worm food.  His lackeys utilize his dead flesh, and lots of others' dead flesh, and make these stupid statements every so often when they take time off from their core competency: delusional masturbation in the Hindu Kush. 

 



Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 12:14
man these cockroaches are on the run


Posted By: bg_turk
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 12:40

I am sick and tired of this terrorist making statements about what is and what is not a war on Islam.

Who has given this terrorist and butcher the authority to speak in the name of the muslims world?

He is the biggest insult to Islam, and I hope muslims around the world will make it abundantly clear to him.



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Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 13:05
Originally posted by Zagros

Osama Bin Laden.

Funny how he only makes a showing when the Bush admin wants to remind the American populace of the crusade on "terror", just more nonsense to mask its economic and military incompetence.



Interesting, isn't it?

Just like the renewal of the Patriot Act is always preceded by a terrorist attack or threat.


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Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 14:12

let him have a debate with an american guy called Hutington



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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 14:26
Ok, Osama just made another recording which seems to be authentic. This now comes at a time when muslims are getting nad with Al-Queda because so many of their attacks have killed other muslims.

Osamas new tape attacks Isreal, and Osama includes Hamas in his speech.--Hamas does not make any statment following this--. How clever of Osama to pick a sensative topic that touches so many muslims to turn their attention away from Al-Queda's messes.


Posted By: pikeshot1600
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2006 at 16:16

Al-Quaeda is an Islamic mafia.  It is supported by illegal funds, and money laundered from charity, i.e. stolen.  They kill their own, just like the "families," and they are just as devout in their places of worship.

Piss on them.



Posted By: arch.buff
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 05:26
Originally posted by bg_turk

I am sick and tired of this terrorist making statements about what is and what is not a war on Islam.

Who has given this terrorist and butcher the authority to speak in the name of the muslims world?

He is the biggest insult to Islam, and I hope muslims around the world will make it abundantly clear to him.



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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 06:27
Originally posted by Mira

Originally posted by Zagros

Osama Bin Laden.

Funny how he only makes a showing when the Bush admin wants to remind the American populace of the crusade on "terror", just more nonsense to mask its economic and military incompetence.



Interesting, isn't it?

Just like the renewal of the Patriot Act is always preceded by a terrorist attack or threat.

Did you notice he refered to Darfur as part of this "crusade against Islam"? 'They' say he lived in Sudan, but he doesn't appear to know that the people of Darfur are muslims.

Remember Matthew Stuart


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Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 07:06

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

Did you notice he refered to Darfur as part of this "crusade against Islam"? 'They' say he lived in Sudan, but he doesn't appear to know that the people of Darfur are muslims.

Remember Matthew Stuart

I didn't hear the recording [yet], but if he referred to Darfur as such, then he wasn't totally wrong.

The Darfur crisis is not a new problem.  It's as "old" as I am, or even "older."  It only attracted the political West's (i.e. the USA) attention when uranium and oil were discovered in Sudan.  The Chinese are the largest community of expatriate workers in Sudan.  It seems that China has established itself very well that it now controls what is estimated to be 40%-50% of the oil reserves in southern Sudan.

So yeah, it's not really about human rights; it's about natural resources and foreign interests.  If people really cared, it wouldn't have taken decades for that to transpire.  To OBL, that translates to a "Crusade against Islam."



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Posted By: Omar al Hashim
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 07:31
Originally posted by Mira

It only attracted the political West's (i.e. the USA) attention when uranium and oil were discovered in Sudan.

The first time I heard of Darfur was just after Sudan was elected to the UN Commission on Human Rights over America


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Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 07:39

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

Originally posted by Mira

It only attracted the political West's (i.e. the USA) attention when uranium and oil were discovered in Sudan.

The first time I heard of Darfur was just after Sudan was elected to the UN Commission on Human Rights over America

Interesting to see 'how' and 'when' human rights issues get publicized and politicized to serve foreign interests.  Reminds me of how the gassing of Kurds was suddenly remembered as a crime against humanity. 



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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 09:49
Originally posted by Mira

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

Originally posted by Mira

It only attracted the political West's (i.e. the USA) attention when uranium and oil were discovered in Sudan.

The first time I heard of Darfur was just after Sudan was elected to the UN Commission on Human Rights over America

Interesting to see 'how' and 'when' human rights issues get publicized and politicized to serve foreign interests.  Reminds me of how the gassing of Kurds was suddenly remembered as a crime against humanity. 

please question the timing, i do, but that doesnt make the darfur issue any less real or serious. Sometimes the level of cynicism in here is just unbelievable. Not everything is a conspiracy, the sudanese govn is just as much to blame over what is happening there, as the media show it with a political influence. One doesnt negate the other.

Muslims are getting killed and raped, and its not by americans.





Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 11:31
 


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Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 14:24
Originally posted by Leonidas

please question the timing, i do, but that doesnt make the darfur issue any less real or serious. Sometimes the level of cynicism in here is just unbelievable. Not everything is a conspiracy, the sudanese govn is just as much to blame over what is happening there, as the media show it with a political influence. One doesnt negate the other.

Muslims are getting killed and raped, and its not by americans.


Oh, I'm absolutely certain Muslims are to blame for the ongoing atrocoties in Darfur.  I'm only surprised the West started caring when natural resources were found.  The UN should have done something decades ago.


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Posted By: Jay.
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 15:14
Originally posted by pikeshot1600

Al-Quaeda is an Islamic mafia.  It is supported by illegal funds, and money laundered from charity, i.e. stolen.  They kill their own, just like the "families," and they are just as devout in their places of worship.

Piss on them.



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Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2006 at 22:26

WASN'T OBL an American sponsored facilitator in Afghanistan? or maybe that is history.

US should cut the crap and take responsibility for it's actions, for others are suffering for its miscalculations and littering of consequences around the globe.

When the bladder gets full, remember OBL..... and Piss in ur own backyard first.



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Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 00:33
WASN'T OBL an American sponsored facilitator in Afghanistan?
no


Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 00:50

Three years ago, I met Graham Fuller - an ex-intelligent officer in the CIA and currently a consultant at the American think-tank, RAND.  He was visiting our class and gave a lecture about the possibility of war on Iraq (then). 

He said, "Saddam's secret police terrorized the people."  I said, "Mr Fuller, the Shah's SAVAK did the same.  He was your ally, and his SAVAK agents were trained by you.  When the people were fed up with him, they revolted against him without the need for your intervention."  He paused for a while and then said, "We made mistakes.  We also should have supported Mossadegh, but we didn't."  I said, "It took you a decade to realize that?  What if 10 years from now you realized that you made a mistake regarding Iraq, would it be fair to sacrifice the lives of thousands of people and then simply say, 'We made a mistake'?  He arrogantly said, "No, this time we're sure."

It didn't even take 10 years for the mistakes to be uncovered now, did it?



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Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 00:53
Originally posted by malizai_

WASN'T OBL an American sponsored facilitator in Afghanistan?

Yes



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Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 01:06
Was it not the Saudis that funded him?

Mira, I have heard this alot but if you could provide some information on this, it would be great. Both the CIA and bin Laden deny it including Ayman al-Zawahiri.


Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 02:16
Of course the Saudis funded him.  But who provided the weapons and the military training?  The USA.

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Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 02:19

Actually, let's look at what your sources say:

MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.com/news/190144.asp?cp1=1 - Bin Laden Comes Home to Roost



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Posted By: TeldeInduz
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 03:43
Originally posted by Zagros

 

I guess the rumours are true then about Mush's double life.



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Posted By: TeldeInduz
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 04:23

Originally posted by cattus


Mira, I have heard this alot but if you could provide some information on this, it would be great. Both the CIA and bin Laden deny it including Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Can you explain this pic then?

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html - http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html  

 



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Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 04:26
Need something a little more concrete than that article. Everybody who was involved with this as well as bin Laden's circle completely deny any kind of relationships like this. The list goes on.

The Central Intelligence Agency has issued a statement categorically denying that it ever had any relationship with Osama bin Laden. It stated, in response to the hypothetical question "Has the CIA ever provided funding, training, or other support to Usama Bin Laden?"


"Contrary to what people have come to imagine, the CIA never recruited, trained, or otherwise used Arab volunteers. The Afghans were more than happy to do their own fighting -- we saw no reason not to satisfy them on this point."


CIA assistance for the afghans was going through Pakistan's ISI. The Saudis were matching CIA support for the Arabs in Afghanistan.

ISI in turn made the decisions about which Afghan factions to arm and train, tending to favor the most Islamist and pro-Pakistan. The Afghan Arabs generally fought alongside those factions, which is how the charge arose that they were creatures of the CIA.


http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/24-318760.html - http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/24-318760.htm l


Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 04:36
Thanks for the old pic,TeldeInduz but its not going to cut it.

Bin Laden says the same and says so in this 1998 interview on Al Jazeera.

http://www.robert-fisk.com/usama_interview_aljazeera.htm - Text

OBL: In answer to your previous question as to whether we are working here independently of the Afghans, the truth is that we do not operate here in an independent fashion. We are in a state that has a prince of believers and we are obliged under the Sharia to obey him.

We are committed to this nation and call upon the people's support and warn against America's propaganda, whereby it seeks to strike the Afghan state, but it seeks to do so under the pretext of hitting Osama bin Laden. This will not serve her at all.

As far as we are concerned, we are not intimidated by American missiles. But we warn them any strike against this people is an aggression against the Muslim nation.

Because of many circumstances in Afghanistan, the Taliban has a view that we should not conduct any moves from inside Afghanistan against any other state. This was a decision from the head of believers. But we do incite others and the issue does not end because of our restricted movement during these times.

Q: Going back to the previous question of you and the CIA and American support for the war against the Soviets . . .

OBL: This is misinformation by the Americans. Every Muslim the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate towards Americans, Jews and Christians, this is part of our ideology.

Ever since I can recall I felt at war with the Americans and had feelings of animosity and hate towards them. So what they say happened between them and myself is out of the question.

It is only because the Americans were occupying the region that they threatened to use military force should the Soviets conduct such an intervention. So the Americans would be lying if they claim they had supported us. We challenge them to provide evidence supporting such claims.

They were a burden on us and on the mujahideen in Afghanistan, for we were performing our obligations in protecting Islam in Afghanistan even though this obligation of ours was at times serving, though without our consent, interests of America.



Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 13:24
What are you trying to say, cattus?  You, and only you, know the truth, but the rest of the world doesn't?

In any case, cattus: America never admitted to its mistakes or even apologized for it.  The WMDs were never found, but your government keeps on insulting people's intelligence.

You think I'll believe the American government when it says they never supported bin Laden?  Of course not.  Your government is not a decent one.  They've told so many lies - you don't get bitten from the same hole twice (unless you're a patriotic American, lol.)


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Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 13:32
Originally posted by cattus


Q: Going back to the previous question of you and the CIA and American support for the war against the Soviets . . .

OBL: This is misinformation by the Americans. Every Muslim the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate towards Americans, Jews and Christians, this is part of our ideology.

Ever since I can recall I felt at war with the Americans and had feelings of animosity and hate towards them. So what they say happened between them and myself is out of the question.


And here's an answer to that quote from your own Time Magazine:

"But bin Laden brings some particular, and collectively potent, elements to this equation. As a volunteer in the war that the Islamic rebels of Afghanistan fought against the Soviets in the 1980s, bin Laden had a front-row seat at an astonishing and empowe ring development: the defeat of a superpower by a gaggle of makeshift militias. Though the U.S., with billions of dollars in aid, helped the militias in their triumph, bin Laden soon turned on their benefactor."

"During the same years, the CIA, intent on seeing a Soviet defeat in Afghanistan, was also funneling money and arms to the mujahedin. Milton Bearden, who ran the covert program during its peak years—1986 to 1989—says the CIA had no direct dealing s with bin Laden. But U.S. officials acknowledge that some of the aid probably ended up with bin Laden's group anyway."

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101010924/wosama.html


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Posted By: Illuminati
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2006 at 17:00
Originally posted by Mira

What are you trying to say, cattus?  You, and only you, know the truth, but the rest of the world doesn't?

In any case, cattus: America never admitted to its mistakes or even apologized for it.  The WMDs were never found, but your government keeps on insulting people's intelligence.





All CIA funds were funneled through Pakistan. The CIA was extremely cautious of letting their agents even step foot in Afghanistan for fear they may be captured by the Soviets. CIA agents ventured in a few times, but only briefly because they did so against orders, and Pakistani Intelligence was dead against them doing it, and the CIA couldn't risk upsettig Pakistani intelligence.

Bin laden undoubteldy came into possession of US arms, but thats it. There's no evidence that he had any direct contact with anyone from teh CIA, and you don't have any evidence to support it. Until you can actually produce some evidence, you've got nothing. Coming into possession of US arms is not "training."

So, is Bin Laden lying in his interview? and can you prove it? A time magazine article is not too credible when it comes up against Bin Laden's own words.


Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 04:43
Originally posted by Mira

your government keeps on insulting people's intelligence.


Alot like you keep insulting my government and everyone's intelligence?


Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 05:51
Originally posted by Illuminati

So, is Bin Laden lying in his interview? and can you prove it? A time magazine article is not too credible when it comes up against Bin Laden's own words.


Bin Laden had said that neither he, nor his 'men' had anything to do with 9/11.  If I'm going to accept that interview as authentic, then I can also take what he said on a video-tape aired on al-Jazeera as authentic.


Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 06:01
Originally posted by cattus

Originally posted by Mira

your government keeps on insulting people's intelligence.


Alot like you keep insulting my government and everyone's intelligence?


Your government's intelligence?  Who is your government?  Bush?  Lol, intelligence-less, I guess.

Everyone's intelligence?  Hmm .. I'd double check on who's doing that


Posted By: docyabut
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 07:37

If I remenber the US was supporting the Afghan war against Russia, before  commuist russia fell.  Bin laden just happen to be there fighting his own  war. The afgahs fighters joined in the coalition with the US  in the frist war against Iraq. Were`nt there two waring factors in  Afghanistan, before  the Taliban took over? Afgahistan  army  fighting with the US  against  the Taliban ?

Northern Alliance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._invasion_of_Afghanistan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._invasion_of_Afghanistan



Posted By: TeldeInduz
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 17:20

Originally posted by cattus

Thanks for the old pic,TeldeInduz but its not going to cut it.

Do you know who is in that pic?

Originally posted by Illuminati

All CIA funds were funneled through Pakistan. The CIA was extremely cautious of letting their agents even step foot in Afghanistan for fear they may be captured by the Soviets. CIA agents ventured in a few times, but only briefly because they did so against orders, and Pakistani Intelligence was dead against them doing it, and the CIA couldn't risk upsettig Pakistani intelligence.

Bin laden undoubteldy came into possession of US arms, but thats it. There's no evidence that he had any direct contact with anyone from teh CIA, and you don't have any evidence to support it. Until you can actually produce some evidence, you've got nothing.

Perhaps not CIA, but the US National Security Advisor was in contact with Bin Laden. Good enough?  

 



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Posted By: Dampier
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 18:27

The US supported Bin Laden- not as an Islamic jihadist but as a freedom fighter against the Soviets. Lets not beat about the bush. As it is OBL is just hot air- he cries everytime anything happens and thats it. He's dangerous and a n annoyance but he is really just a comedy act...

US supports whoevers good at the time, its politics. When youre a big boy you do more and make more mistakes. But its a cruel world and thats how life goes on.

As for WMD I'm still pissed about that, Britain shouldnt be in iraq if our Prime minister hadnt lied about them....



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Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2006 at 21:53

Osama Bin Laden and the likes of Jordanian Abdullah Azzam served other purposes that i feel have been overlooked. Namely these were lobbying of the Arab Islamic block to push forward anti-soviet propaganda, by depicting Arab muslims defending the faith through jihad against an evil state that wished to destroy it. Secondly, It was to encourage the dumb but rich Arab leadership, be it govts, sheiks or oil barons to cough up stupendous amount of money to partially underwrite the cost of the war. It is easier to say u r spending to help save muslims and islam then to say u r coughing up for other peoples war.

the money mind u was not as forth coming when the afghans alone were fighting. The bulk of the Arab money only came to flow in after American collusion.



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Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2006 at 03:09

Originally posted by TeldeInduz

Do you know who is in that pic?


Probably Zbigniew and a pakistani soldier in some weapons demonstration. Given that he is only a diplomat, I would hardly say any real training is going on.


Posted By: Mira
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2006 at 07:28
Originally posted by Dampier

US supports whoevers good at the time, its politics. When youre a big boy you do more and make more mistakes. But its a cruel world and thats how life goes on.


Cruel world or not - of course you'll say that, since you're not the one at the receiving end.  Afghanistan and Iraq are.  It's not your country or your people that are paying thehigh price for illegitimate wars.


Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 06:50

seems like many Arabs DO belive what Osama is saying about a war against Islamic world

latest Poll on aljazeera.net

the Question:  Do you Agree with Bin Laden that there is a Crusade on the Islamic world?

YES    82.8%         4 7072 votes

NO     17.2%          9791   votes

    Totall votes:          56863 votes

poll was for three days from 25/4 to 28/4.

 

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i guess that becase of the most of Muslims and arabs see from the un-neutral position of the West toward the Israeli/Palestinian issue and the War on Iraq and the possible wars against Iran and syria,

also the latest tensions in the EU toward their muslim population and their belives.

 



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Posted By: Dampier
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 15:44

Originally posted by Mira

Originally posted by Dampier

US supports whoevers good at the time, its politics. When youre a big boy you do more and make more mistakes. But its a cruel world and thats how life goes on.


Cruel world or not - of course you'll say that, since you're not the one at the receiving end.  Afghanistan and Iraq are.  It's not your country or your people that are paying thehigh price for illegitimate wars.

 

But Britain has been. And frankly i hate what the US does in most cases. And it is my people, British soldiers dying over a Prime Minister that lied (dont know if they tell you in the UAE but our Prime Minister lied us into the wars, the vast majority want nothing to do with the wars and it is a VERY big deal here). I know obviously this is not the same I'm was just saying (badly I'll admit!) that America has more to deal with and so has had to 'deal with the devil'. They made mistakes, as have all nations, costly mistakes.



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Posted By: Dampier
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 15:49

Originally posted by Mira

Originally posted by Dampier

US supports whoevers good at the time, its politics. When youre a big boy you do more and make more mistakes. But its a cruel world and thats how life goes on.


Cruel world or not - of course you'll say that, since you're not the one at the receiving end.  Afghanistan and Iraq are.  It's not your country or your people that are paying thehigh price for illegitimate wars.

 

I realise that and on second thoughts my words seem exceptionally callous so I'd like to withdraw them.

However I would like to mention that Britain was dragged into this war by a Prime Minister who lied to us and betrayed us. British Soldiers die out there and the 7/7 bomb attacks on the London Underground also cost us, while obviously nothing to compare to what currently goes on in Afghanistan and Iraq its worth noting we have seen the effects.



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Posted By: TeldeInduz
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 19:27

Originally posted by cattus


Originally posted by TeldeInduz

Do you know who is in that pic?


Probably Zbigniew and a pakistani soldier in some weapons demonstration. Given that he is only a diplomat, I would hardly say any real training is going on.

Come off it..A Pakistani soldier ..look again  



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Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 22:26


You look again. It's clearly Zbigniew. Where is Osama Bin Ladin, and who does it look here is actually receiving a lesson about the weapon?


Posted By: TeldeInduz
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 22:55

Originally posted by cattus



You look again. It's clearly Zbigniew. Where is Osama Bin Ladin, and who does it look here is actually receiving a lesson about the weapon?

 Get real, that is OBL in all his glory. I know the wiki link you are referring to and the picture in the link.

The wiki link has been changed to Pakistani soldier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski  

The picture names him as Bin Laden

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Brzezinski-BinLaden.jpg - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Brzezinski-BinLaden.jpg  

Are you seriously trying to tell me that is not OBL in the picture?

And why would an ordinary Pakistani soldier (who looks remarkably like Bin Laden) be getting a demonstration from a National Security advisor?



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Posted By: Illuminati
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2006 at 23:49
why would Bin laden be in a Pakistani military uniform?

I've seen tons of photos of Bin laden,and that doesn't really look like him to me.

And why would an ordinary Pakistani soldier (who looks remarkably like Bin Laden) be getting a demonstration from a National Security advisor?

how do you now it's an ordinary soldier? The rank is not visible. The soldier could very wll be an officer, or even a general.


Posted By: TeldeInduz
Date Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 00:17

Originally posted by Illuminati

why would Bin laden be in a Pakistani military uniform?

I've seen tons of photos of Bin laden,and that doesn't really look like him to me.

And why would an ordinary Pakistani soldier (who looks remarkably like Bin Laden) be getting a demonstration from a National Security advisor?

how do you now it's an ordinary soldier? The rank is not visible. The soldier could very wll be an officer, or even a general.

Photos: Photographs by Philippe Ledru/Corbis Sygma. Larger one scanned from the Village Voice. The Village Voice web site does not have the photo. The smaller one is from a Polish web site, also seen in Spiegel. Former Friends: President Carter’s national security adviser ZbiGniew Brzezinski on his 1980 tour of the Afghan border. Bin Laden first went to Peshawar, Pakistan, here in these photos Brezezinski checks out bin Laden’s gun on the border of Afghanistan in 1980.

Above is a quote from someone else. The "Pakistani soldier" has no stripes or stars so I doubt it's an officer or a general. If so what's his name?



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Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 00:58
The source and information is really unknown and is good reason why the name of the picture was changed. This copyright statement says exactly what I thought about OBLs size when I first saw the photo. He would have towered over a little guy like Zbigniew.

The copyright of this image is unknown, as is the original source. Until it can be verified, it should be treated skeptically. Furthermore, Bin Laden is gaunt and would tower at 6 foot 6 inches over Brzensnski. There is no evidence whatsoever that the stout Afghan-looking man is the gaunt, lanky Bin Laden.


Originally posted by TeldeInduz

And why would an ordinary Pakistani soldier (who looks remarkably like Bin Laden) be getting a demonstration from a National Security advisor?


Exaclty, there may still be a chance for you to connect the dots on this. Even if Brzezinski was qualified, I think he has better things to do than show college students like Osama how to shoot soviet weaponry.

This whole thing is ridiculous.


Posted By: TeldeInduz
Date Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 01:08

Originally posted by cattus

Originally posted by TeldeInduz

And why would an ordinary Pakistani soldier (who looks remarkably like Bin Laden) be getting a demonstration from a National Security advisor?


Exaclty, there may still be a chance for you to connect the dots on this. Even if Brzezinski was qualified, I think he has better things to do than show college students like Osama how to shoot soviet weaponry.

This whole thing is ridiculous.

My point if you connect the dots also, is that the US National Security Advisor isnt going to meet some ordinary Pakistani soldier. He's going to meet up with only a senior ranking official. The guy in the picture has no stars or stripes in the picture, but he's in regular Pakistani Army outfit. I doubt that Brzezinski is going to meet up with a Pakistani regular and have face to face talks with him.  Therefore, it's not a Pakistani regular. 



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Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 01:12
Brzezinski is simply being given an opportunity on his trip to shoot this weapon. This soldier obviously has alot of training with it. As I said.. who looks like they are doing the explaining and listening in the photo?


Posted By: TeldeInduz
Date Posted: 29-Apr-2006 at 01:25

Originally posted by cattus

Brzezinski is simply being given an opportunity on his trip to shoot this weapon. This soldier obviously has alot of training with it. As I said.. who looks like they are doing the explaining and listening in the photo?

That's plausible. They might have just picked an Osama lookalike by coincidence. Though you can't judge height from those pictures.



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