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    Posted: 09-Mar-2006 at 05:00
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Originally posted by Alborz

well said prsn4life.

by the way, not even Kurds want separations from Iran.

Kurds in "east" already have a homeland of their own. And their homeland is called Iran.

prsn4life, these kids here have been taught lies all their life. The wont know any better. We shouldn't blame them for what others have brainwashed and falsely educated them with about our nation and the world.

Perhaps I am being too harsh on this cent fella. Poor child doesn't know any better. It would be like me knowing nothing about Angola. One doesnt know enough about a country, until he or she lives and becomes part of that country. He probably knows alot more about Sweden than Iran or his  "Kurdistan".

They think a country has to be a "nation state", as his brain been corrupted by European centrist education. But guess what? Iran IS a nation state. In Iran everyone is Iranian. something imperialists want to destroy (one example that even we Iranians ignore is that they lie that in Iran there are other nations, ie kurds, azaris. We Iranians should not believe this ourselves). They have started to put Iranianism into question, thus using children such as cent to achieve their evil ambitions. But that wouldn't happen. Iran has been through much much worse than this. Iran is here to stay, Iran will never give up her land nor her peoples. never the less we should be prepared to defend our motherland. We are all Iranians. We are ONE nation.

I hate chauvinists and ultra-nationalists. It is always a wonder for me how an individual becomes one of them.

My God, the same things the Turks say. Are u turkish?

What u say is really fascistic u know? Where do u live bye the way?

Iran?

You ppl are so full of sh*t? Kermashan will never be part of kurdistan? says who? Zagros, so it is a fact then, it is law.

Albaros be jaye in ke goh bokhori, mesle adam harf bezan. And poor persians, they are handeled badly in iran, for God sake, the language of the country is persian. Ruled by persians, i dont give a sh.t whether a mulla or not, it is a persian....... Get my point, or do i have to spell it for u?
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Originally posted by saiwan

But just theoratically, lets imagine a kurdistan. Wouldnt that be beuteful that a kurd at last would be the master in his house. That a kurd is a president, and kurds are ministers? That everyone spoke kurdish? That we had a flag? Books in kurdish that is written in kurdish by kurdish inteleectuals that have got their educations in kurdish universitys? Wouldnt that be beuteful?
let's not think theoratically. we already have that in the country.


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@Saiwan dashi, believe me you are not fully partial, and i noticed you said "i dont give a sh.t whether a mulla or not it is a persian" How do you know it is a persian? it could be an Azeri or even Kurd. Do you really think people from Isfahan and Shiraz are ruling you? do you know about iranian ethnicities? i bet not becouse you call all Iranians Persians.

What makes you angry? is this becouse of persian language? So you like the language of Iran must be kurdish? what about that poor Gilaki or Balooch? have day to learn kurdish now? You call Persians (people of Shiraz and Isfahan and etc ...) chauvenists, but i see you are not very innocent yourself: "And poor persians..."



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Why is everyone attacking me?

I'll not answer you guys, due to flamewars.

Alborz wrote:

well said prsn4life.

by the way, not even Kurds want separations from Iran.

Kurds in "east" already have a homeland of their own. And their homeland is called Iran.

prsn4life, these kids here have been taught lies all their life. The wont know any better. We shouldn't blame them for what others have brainwashed and falsely educated them with about our nation and the world.

Perhaps I am being too harsh on this cent fella. Poor child doesn't know any better. It would be like me knowing nothing about Angola. One doesnt know enough about a country, until he or she lives and becomes part of that country. He probably knows alot more about Sweden than Iran or his  "Kurdistan".

They think a country has to be a "nation state", as his brain been corrupted by European centrist education. But guess what? Iran IS a nation state. In Iran everyone is Iranian. something imperialists want to destroy (one example that even we Iranians ignore is that they lie that in Iran there are other nations, ie kurds, azaris. We Iranians should not believe this ourselves). They have started to put Iranianism into question, thus using children such as cent to achieve their evil ambitions. But that wouldn't happen. Iran has been through much much worse than this. Iran is here to stay, Iran will never give up her land nor her peoples. never the less we should be prepared to defend our motherland. We are all Iranians. We are ONE nation.

I hate chauvinists and ultra-nationalists. It is always a wonder for me how an individual becomes one of them.
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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Re: Kurdish seperatist nationalism ....... don't u think we have enough nationalism going around already?  The nation-state ideology is imported from - if not imposed by - Early Modern Europe, and is simply outdated for modern realities.

Look where its getting us Jews and the Palestinians, for instance.

How about increasing cultural autonomy, with simultaneous centralization - and increasing transparency - of the monopoly on violence?




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Man o man o man. Every time ppl in all the forums try to say anything for the kurds against the turk, the turk will point out that some of the precidents have been kurds, and that is true.

But did that kurd do anything for the kurds? Or did he make the life for them more miserable? Cant a kurd betray another one?

Maziar: I am saying that i would have absolutley nothing against the persians if i had a country. But now it is neccessary for me to dislike the ones who occupie my country. Do u understand what i mean?

Sure if gilakis want their country then go for it. But we are not 1 million kurds, we are far more than that, lets be realistic. I am not daydreaming i know that there will be a kurdistan, i know that it is not a fantasy. Just so that everyone can be happy should i shut my mouth and go somewhere and die, and dont wanna fight to have the right of governing myslef? Is it so wrong?

I hate war, dont think that i am for it. I have lost to many relatives, near and kins to like it. But if that would be necessary i will sacrifice my own blood for the cause. I am not blind, and i am not cray like those who go to a crowd and kills ppl by bombing themselfs. I just want to have a place i can call home! And no, iran or iraq or syria or turkey are not my home, kurdistan is. And when i have a home u will be the first persian, arab or turk who are welcome to MY HOME. Do u understand me? Pls try really hard to see what i am trying to paint. Pls.
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Originally posted by Halevi

Re: Kurdish seperatist nationalism ....... don't u think we have enough nationalism going around already?  The nation-state ideology is imported from - if not imposed by - Early Modern Europe, and is simply outdated for modern realities.

Look where its getting us Jews and the Palestinians, for instance.

How about increasing cultural autonomy, with simultaneous centralization - and increasing transparency - of the monopoly on violence?


These kind of stuff would be great if it did work like say in Canada/quebec. That would indeed be a dream, because it might happen without war. And when the ppl have autonomy (a perfect one) maybe they can VOTE for a seccession from the countrys they are in. It would be great?

But do u really believ that such thing would happen in reality?
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Come on Saiwan, you are not the presentative of all Kurds. So you can't tell they want separation. Me and Zagros are Kurds too and we don't want it. And Saiwan Persian hasn't "occupied" your country. Since many thousends of years stays Kurdistan with Iran, Kurds are iranian by ethnicity and for sure they are Iranians, so there is an "Occupation" simply not true. And so there are no one in Iran who you can dislike.

I didn't tell you Gilakis want to separate. I said there are in Iran many ethnic groups like Gilaki and others, so please don't call them all Persians. and bragam, i don't want you to go and die, i want you to live with me in peace.

What about you help your Persian , Gilaki and balooch brothers to get ride of Mullahs and stablish a free federalism republic in Iran? so you can get all rights you wish, re,remember the constitution revolution? . But call everyone who don't agree with you chauvenist or occupires of your country won't help you.
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Hmmmm. It doesnt matter does it? Remeber one thing, one who looses his identity will loose himself.

During the reign of saddam there where almost 200000 jash(kurds who cooperated with saddam) in his payroll. He payed them to spie on their brothers, to kill them. I dont think they wanted a fre kurdistan.

But now when saddam is gone, the same who where in the Jash want a kurdistan. As if they never did whatever they did.

 

Okay you want to be with iran, sure nemas problemas. When tha nation of Kurdistan rises you can get outside and live in Iran, it is your free choice. You can live wherever in the world u wish.

In my case i want to live in Kurdistan.

Thank you for your time.
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you arent living in reality.
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