Author |
Share Topic Topic Search Topic Options
|
Sino Defender
Baron
Joined: 23-Jan-2006
Location: Hong Kong
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 413
|
Quote Reply
Topic: the First Emperor of Chin vs Alexander the Great of Greece Posted: 18-Feb-2006 at 01:05 |
the chin state / dynasty was known for its ruthlessness and military might. the chin army often defeated enemies that outnumbered them and finally unified china. they were also known for their brutality. after they defeated the state of zhao, some 300,000 surrendered zhao soldiers were buried alive.
alexander the great was also a great conqueror and also won a lot of battles that he was outnumbered.
if they had engaged in fighting a battle in central asia, who would have won?
alexander 300,000 troops (100,000 greek, 200,000 central asian/middle east/ indian)
consisted of 80,000 greek infantry, 20,000 greek calvary, 200,000 barbarian troops of various kinds
chin 300,000 troops (chin state)
consisted of 200,000 infantry (including heavy, light, and imperial infantry), 60,000 calvary (including heavy, light, and crossbow calvary), 40,000 crossbowmen and seige weapons troops
Edited by Sino Defender
|
"Whoever messes with the heavenly middle kingdom, no matter how far s/he escapes, s/he is to be slaughtered"
|
|
Conan the destroyer
Samurai
Joined: 21-Jun-2005
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 105
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 18-Feb-2006 at 16:33 |
Qin would have won this match -- the Greek tactics were much less advanced and based around the concept of mass collision.
|
|
sinosword
Consul
Joined: 29-Jan-2005
Location: China
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 302
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 18-Feb-2006 at 20:53 |
the chin troops were too brutal even huns were afraid of them.
|
|
|
sinosword
Consul
Joined: 29-Jan-2005
Location: China
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 302
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 18-Feb-2006 at 20:58 |
the chin soldiers could be promoted by gathering enemies' heads. thus there were always several heads tied around chin soldiers' waistband after a battle.
|
|
|
conon394
Pretorian
Joined: 08-Dec-2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 165
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 01:06 |
Qin would have won this match -- the Greek tactics
were much less advanced and based around the concept of mass collision. |
It worked quite well for them Neither the Greeks in general
nor Alexander in particular were as doctrinaire as is often stated.
Why is mass collision less advanced the Greeks ran up a
rather respectable victory total against the Persians and the Carthies with decisive
battle tactics?
|
|
OSMANLI
Colonel
Joined: 24-Nov-2004
Location: North Cyprus
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 740
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 04:29 |
"the chin troops were too brutal even huns were afraid of them." I very much doubt it.
O yeah Alexander was Macedonian
|
|
|
sinosword
Consul
Joined: 29-Jan-2005
Location: China
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 302
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 19-Feb-2006 at 09:48 |
you doubt that because you are not living in that period. i'm sure you would doubt that we can kick east turkistan's ass either if you are not living in 21st century.
|
|
|
Justinian
Chieftain
King of Númenor
Joined: 11-Nov-2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1399
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 13:59 |
Sino Defender: how good were the chin troops? Based on the make up of each army given I would give the edge to the chin state. They have a 3 to 1 cavalry advantage (how good was their cavalry?), archers which Alexander doesn't (rather suprising) and most of Alexander's infantry are of substandard quality. It also depends on the general for chin, but things are not looking good for Alexander.
|
"War is a cowardly escape from the problems of peace."--Thomas Mann
|
|
Omnipotence
Baron
Joined: 16-Nov-2004
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 494
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 14:40 |
Qin troops were extremely bloodthirsty. Because the Qin dynasty practiced the custom of merit over blood, soldiers can EASILY recieve substantial rewards(money, rank, promotion) as according to the number of enemies they killed. Qin soldiers are supposed to cut off the head of the guy they killed after battle. If one Qin soldier killed only one guy throughout the entire battle his whole family would have the privilege of paying less taxes. If he chopped off enough heads, he may be promoted to captain, lieutenant, etc. However, the practice has its downside because Qin soldiers when running out of enemies to kill, would start killing their own wounded(not that they're supposed to). The Qin soldiers were known to have the best infantry and cavalry out of all the warring states, but they were also known to be poor archers. They were also known to be the best fighters who recieved the most training, and the most bloodthirsty ones at that. However, they are also noted for being undisciplined despite the heavy penalties for disobeying orders(yes, it's because of the system on cutting off heads).
|
|
Sino Defender
Baron
Joined: 23-Jan-2006
Location: Hong Kong
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 413
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 19:46 |
Originally posted by Justinian
Sino Defender: how good were the chin troops? Based on the make up of each army given I would give the edge to the chin state. They have a 3 to 1 cavalry advantage (how good was their cavalry?), archers which Alexander doesn't (rather suprising) and most of Alexander's infantry are of substandard quality. It also depends on the general for chin, but things are not looking good for Alexander. |
oh, archers are included in the infantry and barbarian troops for the greeks. for the chin state, the seige weapon troops referred to the mainly crossbows and seige weapons units.
Edited by Sino Defender
|
"Whoever messes with the heavenly middle kingdom, no matter how far s/he escapes, s/he is to be slaughtered"
|
|
intem
Knight
Joined: 28-Aug-2005
Location: Australia
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 60
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 20-Feb-2006 at 20:16 |
Originally posted by OSMANLI
"the chin troops were too brutal even huns were afraid of them." I very much doubt it.
O yeah Alexander was Macedonian
|
You really sure that you doubt that the xiong nus weren't afraid of Qin troops, how about take a look at this,
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/7547/expand.html.
go into this site and you'll see it.
best regards, intem
|
J.T.I.J
|
|
poirot
Arch Duke
Editorial Staff
Joined: 21-May-2005
Location: Belgium
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1838
|
Quote Reply
Posted: 21-Feb-2006 at 21:09 |
Another pointless thread
But while we are at it, I concede that the Xiongnu were no match for the Qin in close combat, but the armies were not compatible because the Qin were infantry based, while the Xiongnu were cavalry based. Qin military had more organization and tactical maturity than Xiongnu.
As to Alexander, I think it is actually a good match. I voted neither, because both armies are infantry based powers.
Edited by poirot
|
AAAAAAAAAA
"The crisis of yesterday is the joke of tomorrow.� ~ HG Wells
|
|