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I play classical piano and I used to write music too. Among all the classical composers, I just have this inexplicable special and natural affinity for J.S. Bach's musical style. Since I was young, I have always been fascinated by the quasi-mathematical style of this musical genius. But what impresses me most about J.S. Bach's musical style is that, out of this extraordinarily orderliness of his composition techniques, there comes the most divine melodies that, at least to me, don't seem to belong to this world.

(It's not a coincidence that many mathematicians and physicists who love music happen to like J.S. Bach.)

Here is a story about J.S. Bach's musical genius:

"'He (King Frederick) spoke to me, among other things, of music, and of a great organist named Bach, who has been for a while in Berlin. This artist (Wilhelm Friedemann Bach) is endowed with a talent superior, in depth of harmonic knwoledge and power of execution, to any I have heard or can  imagine, while those who knew his father claim that he, in turn, was even greater. The King is of this opinion, and to prove it to me he sang aloud a chromatic fugue subject which he had given this old Bach, who on the spot had made of it a fugue in four parts, then in five parts, and finally in eight parts. '

Of course there is no way of knowing whether it was King Frederick or Baron van Swieten who magnified the story into larger-than-life proportions. But it shows how powerful Bach's legend had become by that time. To give an idea of how extraordinary a six-part fugue is, in the entire Well-Tempered Clavier by Bach, containing forth-eight Preludes and Fugues, only two have as many as five parts, and nowhere is there a six-part fugue! One could probably liken the task of improvising a six-part fugue to the palying of sixty simultaneous blindfold games of chess, and winning them all. To improvise an eight-part fugue is really beyond human capability."

from Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid" by Douglas R. Horstadter

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        Issac Newton: Physics

        William Shakespeare: English Literature

        Johann Sebastian Bach - Music

 

The legacy of Johann Sebastian Bach

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Sebastian_Bach

In his later years and after his death, Bach's reputation as a composer declined: his work was regarded as old-fashioned compared to the emerging classical style. He was far from forgotten, however: he was remembered as a player and teacher (as well, of course, as composer), and as father of his children (most notably CPE Bach). His best-appreciated compositions in this period were his keyboard works, in which field other composers continued to acknowledge his mastery. Mozart, Beethoven, and Chopin were among his most prominent admirers. On a visit to the Thomasschule in Leipzig, Mozart heard a performance of one of the motets (BWV 225) and exclaimed, "Now, here is something one can learn from!"; on being given the parts of the motets, "Mozart sat down, the parts all around him, held in both hands, on his knees, on the nearest chairs. Forgetting everything else, he did not stand up again until he had looked through all the music of Sebastian Bach". Beethoven was a devotee, learning the Well-Tempered Clavier as a child and later calling Bach "Urvater der Harmonie" ("original father of harmony") and "nicht Bach, sondern Meer" ("not a brook, but a sea", punning on the literal meaning of the composer's name). Chopin used to lock himself away before his concerts and play Bach's music.[5]

The revival in the composers reputation among the wider public was prompted in part by Johann Nikolaus Forkels 1802 biography, which was read by Beethoven among others. Goethe became acquainted with Bach's works relatively late in life, through a series of performances of keyboard and choral works at Bad Berka in 1814 and 1815; in a letter of 1827 he compared the experience of listening to Bach's music to "eternal harmony in dialogue with itself".[6] But it was Felix Mendelssohn who did the most to revive Bach's reputation with his 1829 Berlin performance of the St Matthew Passion. Hegel, who attended the performance, later called Bach "grand, truly Protestant, robust and, so to speak, erudite genius which we have only recently learned again to appreciate at its full value".[7]. Mendelssohn's promotion of Bach, and the growth of the composers stature, continued in subsequent years. The Bach Gesellschaft (or Bach Society) was founded in 1850 to promote the works, and over the next half century it published a comprehensive edition.

Thereafter Bachs reputation has remained consistently high. During the 20th century the process of recognising the musical as well as the pedagogic value of some of the works has continued, perhaps most notably in the promotion of the Cello Suites by Pablo Casals. Another development has been the growth of the authentic or period performance movement, which attempts to present the music as the composer intended it. Examples include the playing of keyboard works on the harpsichord rather than a modern grand piano, and the use of small choirs or single voices instead of the larger forces favoured by 19th- and early 20th-century performers.

Johann Sebastian Bachs contributions to music, or, to borrow a term popularised by his student Lorenz Christoph Mizler, "musical science" are frequently compared to the "original geniuses" of William Shakespeare in English literature and Isaac Newton in physics.

As an example of the best which humanity has to offer, Bachs music was selected for inclusion on the Voyager Golden Records. Scientist and author Lewis Thomas once suggested how the people of Earth should communicate with the universe: "I would vote for Bach, all of Bach, streamed out into space, over and over again. We would be bragging of course, but it is surely excusable to put the best possible face on at the beginning of such an acquaintance. We can tell the harder truths later."

Some composers have paid tribute to Bach by setting his name in musical notesB-flat, A, C, B-natural (B-natural is H in German)or its contrapuntal derivatives; for example, Liszt wrote both a praeludium and fugue on the BACH motif. Bach himself set the precedent for this musical acronym, most notably in Contrapunctus XIV from the Art of Fugue. Whereas Bach conceived this cruciform melody as a compositional form of devotion to Christ and his cross, later composers have employed the BACH motif in homage to the composer himself. Bachs obvious devotion to Christ in his liturgical oeuvre was given special credence with the 1934 discovery of the Calov Bible in Frankenmuth Michigan.

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Nice thread revival, we can certainly feel your passion for Bach and he is a great composer. What are your favorites from him?

Originally posted by flyingzone

I am sure you "know" more from Bach than you actually realize. Bach's music (not unlike that of other famous musicians) has "infiltrated" so much into Western culture that it may be lurking into our subconscious without our even knowing it. If I could hum some tune to you, you would definitely be in awe (not because of my humming of course) and say, "Oh, I didn't know that's Bach!!!" That's how good he was. Imagine, he lived more than 2 centuries ago and his music is still mesmerizing us today.


I know because this is about rediscovery really because somehow I know most of them already.

Toccata & Fugue in D Minor - Bach (I agree the church organs are overkill IMHO)

Its all I know of Bach and perhaps you can enlighten me with your knowledge of his work. His best compositions rather than saying everything because he was a busy man.

My personal favorite is turning out to be Beethoven because of his dark moody themes are haunting and his cadence strikes a chord with me. Mozart is like the bubblegum boy but Beethoven is tops for me right now.



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Originally posted by dirtnap

Nice thread revival, we can certainly feel your passion for Bach and he is a great composer. What are your favorites from him?


My personal favorite is turning out to be Beethoven because of his dark moody themes are haunting and his cadence strikes a chord with me. Mozart is like the bubblegum boy but Beethoven is tops for me right now.

I decided to revive this thread thanks to your other thread.  

Mozart the "bubblegum boy"? Can't say it better myself!!!!! (But some music historians have pointed out that Mendelssohn may have actually been an even more impressive musical prodigy than him.)

I love Beethoven too. He's a real genius. But the amazing thing about Beethoven's genius is that he's extremely meticulous in his composition process. One would think that if you are a genius, you could just create music effortlessly. However, when one looks at the manuscripts of Beethoven's music, one immediately discovers the almost painful tediousness and complexity of his creation process.  

J.S. Bach. Oh, what can I say about J.S. Bach. It seems to me that people either LOVE him to death (like me) or who don't care too much for him at all. I personally just find the latter utterly incomprehensible. How can anyone NOT be mesmerized by his music???

Since I play the piano, I tend to enjoy his keyboard works most. Actually most of his keyboard work was written for the harpsichord. But for the purpose of more pleasant listening, I recommend the piano interpretation rather than the harpsichord one.

For very "light" listening (and playing for beginners), I would recommend his "Anna Magdalena Notebook". The pieces have a very simple and even childlike quality to them, but they're all illustrative of Bach's musical style.

His 48 Well-Tempered Clavier (or Preludes and Fugues) are extremely famous. Some of the more melodious ones have been "popularized" by modern musicians. Some of them (especially the "fugues") are very technical and may not be as aesthetically pleasing to the ears of lay people. (I don't want to sound condescending here. But if one knows some rudiments of musical theory, one could understand and appreciate Bach's fugues a lot more.)

Some of his "Two and Three Part Inventions" have also been "popularized" by modern musicians. You will immediately recognize some of the tunes once you start listening to them.

My all-time personal favorites are the first three of his 6 Partitas for keyboard. Oh my God!!!!! Technically they are very sophisticated. But that's not the point here. They are, IMHO, among the most beautiful sounds ever created by the human race. The Sinfonia of the Second Partita in C Minor - you have to have listened to it to believe how divinely beautiful it is.

Last recommendation for Bach's keyboard work - his Italian Concerto!!!! It has three movements and all three are very very very good, but I especially love the second movement ("Andante"). The unique thing about Bach's Italian Concerto is that it sounds very "modern" (relative to his time). It sounds so "modern" than it could have been written by Beethoven.

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Always nice to revive the good ones.

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Originally posted by dirtnap

Nice thread revival, we can certainly feel your passion for Bach and he is a great composer. What are your favorites from him?


My personal favorite is turning out to be Beethoven because of his dark moody themes are haunting and his cadence strikes a chord with me. Mozart is like the bubblegum boy but Beethoven is tops for me right now.


I love Beethoven too. He's a real genius. But the amazing thing about Beethoven's genius is that he's extremely meticulous in his composition process. One would think that if you are a genius, you could just create music effortlessly. However, when one looks at the manuscripts of Beethoven's music, one immediately discovers the almost painful tediousness and complexity of his creation process.



Its appropriate then because I have similar behavior minus the genius portion.

I will definately get ahold of those and give them a listen. They sound inspirational or at least the way you describe them is.

I can not wait to take piano lessons as soon as I can afford them.

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Happy b-day Bach...

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Originally posted by dirtnap

Happy b-day Bach...

321 years young today...

see history today of March 21.


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Bach "Mass in B minor"

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