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    Posted: 19-Oct-2004 at 19:35
This language interests me...Is it even spoken anymore or is it extinct?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Dec-2004 at 17:33

In academic, historists still know manchu language.

In real life, none of my manchu friends can speak manchu language.

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Do you know kind of when it died out of common use?
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jan-2005 at 16:05
is there any way to tell a Manchu apart from say a Han by physical appearance, or do they too suffer from the all look same syndrome?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchu_language
It still has 20 to 70 speakers!
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  Quote J.M.Finegold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jan-2005 at 16:30
Originally posted by Tobodai

is there any way to tell a Manchu apart from say a Han by physical appearance, or do they too suffer from the all look same syndrome?


Perhaps, I'm not sure, the Manchu have more northern/Siberian charactiristics, such as slimmer faces, bony structures? 
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From what I know, the northern Han have mixed so extensively with Mongols, Manchus, and ect it's kind of hard to tell.
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I think I have to correct my self. I just check on the website, the man language is still being taught in the schools in the manchu autonomous area in northestern china. Man language and Madarin both are the teaching language in those schools.
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There's a group of people called the Sibe in NW China (Xinjiang) who speak a language very similar to Manchu.  They were moved there by Emperor Qianlong in 1764.  There are still Sibe books being published over there.

If you can read Chinese, there is an interesting Manchu forum online at http://www.jaksa.org/forum/.  Interestingly enough, some scholars make the case that the current official Mandarin variant in China has heavy Altaic influence (the biggest Altaic languages in China's history being Mongolian and Manchu).
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jan-2005 at 10:26
salina, could you give a link to where it says Manchu is still being taught?  I am very curious!
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  Quote Gubook Janggoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jan-2005 at 17:39
Originally posted by sahaliyan

There's a group of people called the Sibe in NW China (Xinjiang) who speak a language very similar to Manchu.  They were moved there by Emperor Qianlong in 1764.  There are still Sibe books being published over there.

If you can read Chinese, there is an interesting Manchu forum online at http://www.jaksa.org/forum/.  Interestingly enough, some scholars make the case that the current official Mandarin variant in China has heavy Altaic influence (the biggest Altaic languages in China's history being Mongolian and Manchu).


That's actually what I was taught.  I heard true classical Chinese is best preserved in Cantonese.
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  Quote Hardel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Mar-2005 at 05:50
Manchu(or zurchid,jurjen)language was very same mongolian.Also Manchus used mongolian script.
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  Quote Hardel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Mar-2005 at 05:56
And russian Manchus(Orochon,Evenk,Nanai,Ulchi,Udegei) still living in Khabarovsk,Primore,Sakhalin,Saha republic,Chita,Irkutsk,Amur,and krasnoyarsk.But I think they are almost forget their native language.
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  Quote coolstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 01:54

Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchu_language
It still has 20 to 70 speakers!

the last time i checked, it said there were 200 people left who could speak manchu. and they were mostly very old people. there are only 20 - 70 left now? i guess some of them might have died. although they can speak it, most of them cannot write or read it.

i heard some university in ne china is working hard to keep the language alive. the chinese government is also having a hard time interpreting some qing dynasty historical documents written in manchu. it's expected sooner or later, no one will be able to read it, and the documents kept in the forbidden city will forever be a myth to the world.

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  Quote coolstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2005 at 01:57

this is what interests me.

the qing dynasty ended less than a century ago. how could the language disappear so fast?

did the qing officials and royal members speak manchu? or they spoke mandarin? manchu was once the official language along with han chinese in china (the most populas country in the world even back then) less than a century ago. during the qing dynasty, all official documents came out in three languages, manchu, han chinese, and mongolian.

and now almost no one can read it, and fewer than 200 out of 1.3 billion people can speak it. i mean that sounds crazy.



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  Quote Hardel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Mar-2005 at 06:04
I may be mistaken.But I remember official languages of Qing empire were Manchu,Mongolian,Chinese,Tibetian.
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  Quote coolstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Apr-2005 at 01:51

there was no such a term as "official language" during the qing dynasty. in china proper, all government documents were written in both han chinese and manchuria. in mongolia, they were written in han chinese, manchu, and mongolian. in tibet, they were written in han chinese, tibetan, and manchu.

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