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Topic: Zoroastrianism in Iran Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 15:35 |
Does it still exist, and if not, what influences remain? Sorry for being so vague, but I do not know how else to ask.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 16:04 |
after the arabian invasion, it remains a minority of zoroastrian in Iran. Most of them are in India, more specialy Mumbay, and North america. But many consider that zoroastrian is the first minotheist religion( God, paradise/ evil, after life....).
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Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 16:52 |
Yeah but don't forget that the practices of Iranian Zoroasters is different from Parsi's in India, who are split into 2 orthodox and those that are not orthodox.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 17:00 |
I have read (can't remember where) that until the Safavids forced mass conversion to Shi'ism 20% of Iranians were still Zaroastrian, can anyone corroberate this? Yazd is the main centre of Zaroastrians today, they number around 10-20,000.
Also it is said that in Pahveh and the surrounding area in Kermanshah they did not convert until 7-800 years after the Islamic conquests.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 17:08 |
Originally posted by Zagros
I have read (can't remember where) that until the Safavids forced mass conversion to Shi'ism 20% of Iranians were still Zaroastrian, can anyone corroberate this? Yazd is the main centre of Zaroastrians today, they number around 10-20,000.
Also it is said that in Pahveh and the surrounding area in Kermanshah they did not convert until 7-800 years after the Islamic conquests.
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The last persian 's landscape conversion to Islam was mazandaran until the 10th century.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 17:36 |
Here are the numbers from adherents. The number of Zoroastrians has been bumped up recently because is it believed that many have to hide their religion because of fear of presecution. Same thing with the number of Jews and Bahais
- Christianity: 2.1 billion
- Islam: 1.3 billion
- Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
- Hinduism: 900 million
- Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
- Buddhism: 376 million
- primal-indigenous: 300 million
- African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
- Sikhism: 23 million
- Juche: 19 million
- Spiritism: 15 million
- Judaism: 14 million
- Baha'i: 7 million
- Jainism: 4.2 million
- Shinto: 4 million
- Cao Dai: 4 million
- Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
- Tenrikyo: 2 million
- Neo-Paganism: 1 million
- Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
- Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
- Scientology: 500 thousand
Zoroastrianism: This religion is in every major comparative religion text book, yet during the 1990s and for a few years thereafter it was actually listed in the Guiness Book of World Records as the "major religion nearest extinction." The Zoroastrians (or "Parsis") are sometimes credited with being the first monotheists and having had significant influence in the formation of current, larger world religions. To whatever degree that is true, some observers believed Zoroastrianism was in a precarious state and its position as a "major" contemporary world religion was tenuous. Prior to some increased reforms, most Zoroastrians did not believe in allowing conversion. They had even stricter rules than Jews about whether or not children of mixed marriages would be considered Zoroastrians. Until about 2002, most published estimates for the world total of Zoroastrians were 100 to 125 thousand. More recent publications of many major encyclopedias an world alamanacs include population estimates of 2 to 3.5 million. The government of India has actively encouraged the growth of its Zoroastrian population. Since the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 and subsequent U.S.-led intervention in the Middle East, the Parsees of Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan have been receiving less persecution than before, and have been less reticent about identifying themselves, and there seems to be an increased respect for and interest in this classical Persian religion which was once one of the largest in the world. The current estimate posted on this page of millions of Zoroastrians in the world (rather than 100,000 to 150,000) is still under evaluation. The number does not represent an exponential explosion the number of actual Zoroastrians (although there has been some growth in numbers), but is a result of re-evaluation of the existing population. The majority of the world's Zoroastrians are Parsees who now thought to live in the Middle East. Years of suppression under Muslim-dominated cultures and governments has doubtless led to erosion in some aspects of their community, relative to their co-religionists in India and even among expatriate populations in places such as the United States and the United Kingdom - places with far greater levels of continuous religious freedom.
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Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 02:53 |
I know that the fall of the USSR more Zoroasters where found in the former USSR, but I doubt it is 2.6 million, alot of Iranians from what I hear who are disillusioned with Islam or are nationalistic have converted back to Zoroasterianism in Iran, but outside this sphere they do not allow people to join really, it has become like Judaism as that conversion is not really allowed but then again that is Orthodox.
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Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 11:17 |
Really? So its gaining a foothold in Iran once more? How does the Iranian government view the religion?
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Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 12:41 |
Threatened obviously, apostates have been brutally killed by government backed militia if they are somehow discovered.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 01:37 |
A lot of Zoroastrians were forcebully converted by the Pashtuns when
they invaded Iran. However, it is true that many people (mainly
Tajiks) in Central Asia have openly declared themselves to be
Zoroastrian. Uzbekistan has a Zoroastrian center that is a
prominent influence in the modern Zoroastrian community:
http://www.spentalouisville.com/zarathushtrian_a njoman_of_uz.htm
I've also read of a Moscow Anjuman made up primarily of ethnic Russian converts.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 03:25 |
Can you give link again, it does not work. WHen did Pashtuns invade Iran?
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 23:32 |
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Threatened obviously, apostates have been brutally killed by government backed militia if they are somehow discovered. |
Really... How about Iraq? Is there a significant population there?
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Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 23:52 |
Hey men, the last time I saw, it was equal Christianity and Islam
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Posted: 28-Oct-2005 at 00:21 |
Originally posted by Janissary
Hey men, the last time I saw, it was equal Christianity and Islam |
The number of Muslims is usually listed at between 900 mil to 1.4 billion. Since in many Islamic countries selecting ones religion is not an option the exact number is not really known, but I have never seen number equal to Christians from a reliable source
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Posted: 28-Oct-2005 at 00:28 |
Originally posted by Belisarius
Originally posted by Zagros
Threatened obviously, apostates have been brutally killed by government backed militia if they are somehow discovered.
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Really... How about Iraq? Is there a significant population there?
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There are about .5 mil Yazidies in Iraq mostly Kurds. Yazidi is a derivative of Mithraism which itself is a derivative of Zoroastranism, but Yazidies are not considered to be Zoroastrians by Zoroastrians
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 21:30 |
what are they then?
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Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 23:54 |
I guess they're Yazidies.
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Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 01:02 |
but what do they believe?
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Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 01:25 |
There was a tread here about a while ago where we had a Yazidi talk about their religion. I am sure you will be able to find it if you search for it
More here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi
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Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 10:02 |
Thanks Miller
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