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yan.
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Topic: Manzhouguo - public support? Posted: 09-Sep-2005 at 13:58 |
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Can anyone enlighten me how much Manzhouguo was supported by more than just the interests of the JIA? Were there any elites who would seek an independent Manchu state (even if just for opportunistic reasons like employment opportunities)? What was public opinion like - did people see it as a joke, an outrage, something they didn' want to be bothered with, or maybe as something they could in some way identify with? Would people with, say, Manchu background have different opinions than people with ,say, Han background?
I'm just wondering how 'artificial' that state really was, that's all. Hints to websites and literature on that topic are also most welcome.
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yan
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honeybee
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Posted: 09-Sep-2005 at 16:23 |
There are almost no difference between the Manchus and Han at that time.(except some primitive tribes)
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yan.
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Posted: 13-Sep-2005 at 11:33 |
Just to be sure: Are we both talking about that japanese puppet state, nominally headed by Pu Yi?
I could imagine that, if they wanted to claim any legitimacy at all, they would at least try to appeal to Manchu traditionalists, or try to raise some Manchuguo nationalism. No easy task if you nominally build your state on five nationalities, the nominally most important (judging by the name of that state) of which is indeed very han-ized already. Anyone know better ?
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Posted: 13-Sep-2005 at 16:44 |
Diffferences or no, nationalists are idiots and Im sure there had to be at least some Manchus that were into supposedly "having their own country"
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honeybee
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Posted: 13-Sep-2005 at 16:53 |
Yes, nationalists believe anything, I mean there are even southern Chinese today who think they are different . I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were Manchu nationalists, but ironically, most of PuYi's surpporters were Hans and not Manchus.
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Posted: 14-Sep-2005 at 11:17 |
Originally posted by honeybee
Yes, nationalists believe anything, I mean there are even southern Chinese today who think they are different. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were Manchu nationalists, but ironically, most of PuYi's surpporters were Hans and not Manchus. |
I am southern Chinese, but I and all my (Chinese) friends consider ourselves Chinese.
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Posted: 14-Sep-2005 at 19:18 |
"Diffferences or no, nationalists are idiots and Im sure there had to be at least some Manchus that were into supposedly "having their own country" "
That's just another form of nationalism, for a country that don't exist.
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Posted: 14-Sep-2005 at 19:21 |
i am a southern Chinese and i consider myself Cantonese-Chinese to be exact
but yea i consider myself Chinese!
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