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Iranian Huns and the Ghaljay Afghans

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    Posted: 29-Oct-2005 at 14:36

I think Kurds, Turks living in Iran, Lors and Persians has its own language

Just the officiakl language is persian

But my dear, I can talk with Kirgiz or Kazak without translators

And also, TURKIC was invented by Persian guys,

There TURKISH, but not TURKIC

We are from the same origin-we are the same nations with same culture, religion and language and IDEA

 

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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Oct-2005 at 14:40

What are you talking about? 

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  Quote Janissary Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Oct-2005 at 15:00

is that not clear???

Thell me the part thet u don't understand, and i will explain with the great pleasure waht I wanted to say

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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Nov-2005 at 16:15
Originally posted by Aryan Khadem

I wonder why regardless of archaeological and DNA evidence do people disregard the Term Iranian tribes. As for Afghani's well lets say this Afghanistan was formed in 1893 with the help of the british who were carving up Iran to help stop the Russians getting to India.... There is no such thnig as Afhghani's only Iranians,Persians are just one of the many Iranian tribes and peoples. read my posts on slavs...... This is also backed up by DNA analysis. If you dispute it then don't leave your opinion back it up with something....

Try to show some smarts and think outside you nationalists box please people and look at evidence, if you really disagree then back it up with sources and bibliographys etc

Are you speaking to me or somebody else?

As for Afghanistan being created in 1893, Afghanistan as a nation did not even become a  'nation' until the 20th century.  The word "Afghan" on a national term meant all inhabitants of Afghanistan under the royal decree of Emir Abdur-Rahman Khan. 

Before that period, from 1747 until the late 1800's, the region of "Afghanistan" was under different kings, but mainly under the dominion of the Pashtun ethnic group.  Badakhshan, Balkh, and even parts of Uzbekistan were known to show more alignment towards Kabul rather than Bokhara, Delhi, or Isfahan.  The irresponsible heir of the great Afghan leader Ahmad Shah Durrani (in his only accomplishment)  married women from every town and city acquired under Durrani's kingdom which helped unify the kingdom under Kabul rather than other ciities.  Despite revolts by the Uzbeks, the kingdom showed allegiance to Kabul, hence it has and was incorporated into "Afghanistan."

The word "Afghan" has been cited and used in its different forms before and after the Sassanids and mentioned in Sanskrit and Chinese.   It was also mentioned by the Warrior Poet "Khushal Khan Khattak" during the Moghul period.

In conclusion, the more moden word 'Afghanistan" and its citizen known as "Afghans" is a national term referring to all people within the territorial borders of Afghanistan.  The more historical "Afghan" refers to the Pashtuns/Pakhtun of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the "Pathan" of Northwestern India, Bangladesh, and Kashmir.

 



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  Quote AFG-PaShTuN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Dec-2005 at 00:07

The theory of Turkic Khalji has been rejected by Afghan scholars i think, it holds no historical signifcance.

 

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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Dec-2005 at 15:15

The Khilji being Turks has been identified by Muslim sources.  But the Muslim sources also mentions them with the same breath as the Tukharians, which we all know, is an Indo-European tribe that predated the Turks.   The probably scenario is that they were Hunnified, and later Turkified, and today - Pashtunized.

 

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  Quote AFG-PaShTuN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Dec-2005 at 01:30

If that's the case, then again the Ghilji are IE by blood. Like how you said they might've been Tukharians, and then Hunnified then Turkified and at last Pashtunized, since Pashtuns are originally IE people, therefore the Ghilji in real sense cannot be considered real Turks. If you know what i mean....

Some Afghan scholars associate Ghiljis with the Hephtalites who ruled the areas around Zabol - Paktya, which are now pure Pashto speaking areas. I think this has some historical significance, as both Hephtalites and Ghiljis are located in the same locations.  

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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2006 at 23:24
Yeah the  Hephtalites could not have just been wiped out, they were dispersed and it is very probable that the Hepthalites made a dent into the Pashtun ethnic makeup because they were said in the same breath as the Tukharians. 

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