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Poll Question: is it holly to muslims? with proof beyond doubt
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    Posted: 04-Jul-2005 at 12:21
Originally posted by Murtaza

Do you realy thinking, Turkey people is not accept Jerusalem as holy?

And Why do you think, people enter here are the represantative of Turkey people?

Where are the kurds, albanians, bosnians, lazs and other ethinical groups who live in Turkey?

Here we have just nationalist Turks. So you cannot say, I am alone.

In Turkey majority of people think jerusalem as holy, They go Mekka, because of Islam,Our National anthem have a lot of referense to Our religion.

"Hakkdr Hakka tapan miletimin Istiklal"

"Bu ezanlarki sehadetler dinin temeli."

 

"Bastn yerleri toprak diyerek geme tan

Dn altnda binlerce kefensiz yatan

Sen sehit olusun yazktr incitme atan."

 

And Lets accept this religion, dont see any different between arabs and Turks. So Turkish nationalism have no place at islam and this is mostly reason for Turkish nationalism dont like from Islam.

To say all Turkey people are nationalist is just comic.

Why a Albanian man or Kurdish man should care for Turks or Turkish holy lands?(If there is)

This does not mean we should war against Israel. But most of Turkey people accept Jaresalem as holy.

 

 



this goes for you as well.don't think you represent Turkey here.where do you come up with the minorities of Turkey?I don't get it! I am a laz and I don't find myself in the urge of caring rest of the moslem world but Turkey!
Most of the Turkey have sympathy for Palestenians but that's it.they think they should get what they desire for.I am one of them.only people like you think jerusalem is holy for Turks.according to your logic you care less about palestenians.

majority of Turkey don't go to mecca! only some thousands, wake up! Turkey's pop is 70 million.most of the Turks can't even afford it cos it's too expensive yet it's a ripp off! obviously oil isn't enough for arabs.

There is a huge difference between Arabs and Turks! Turks do not speak arabic, do not torture alcoholics or criminals!( burda insanlarin kafasini keserler demek istemedim tartisma yaratmamak icin ) we have hospitals for alcoholics and courts for criminals.....you want me to continue?

you call us nationalist but infact you are the one.but you are at the wrong side.you are an islamic nationalist.tell me which one makes more sense? I stand for my country and choose islam and adjust it to my own beliefs.and you stand for islam and islamic countries and think represent turkey.how many arabic or islamic country care about Turkey or Turks, have you ever thought of that? none! yet they hate us!

Murtaza I'm not against islam .I'm not against you either don't get me wrong.I'm just a dude who trying to survive with all the humidity and global warming like you.thats all.

I suggest you to not speak on behalf of turkey's majority here ever again!  please begin your sentences with  "I think" or "in my opinion"


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  Quote Murtaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2005 at 15:18

Erci my friend, Arent jerusalem is holy for Turkish people?(just not Turk but for Muslims) This is question.

I dont think we should support arabs blindly, this is not topic.

And Arent you thinking most of Turkey think It is holy?

Do you think, mecca is not holy for Turks also? If you read some post, They even claimed this.

majority of Turkey don't go to mecca! only some thousands, wake up! Turkey's pop is 70 million.most of the Turks can't even afford it cos it's too expensive yet it's a ripp off! obviously oil isn't enough for arabs.

Yes, that is true, because they have not money, they dont go. And because Arabia dont accept all of our people, Am I wrong or there is always more demand than arabs let us? There is always more demand.

 

am I wrong? They dont go because they have no money or Arabs dont let them.

And Of course All people of Turkey dont think like this, but most. (This is what I think)

 

There is a huge difference between Arabs and Turks! Turks do not speak arabic, do not torture alcoholics or criminals!( burda insanlarin kafasini keserler demek istemedim tartisma yaratmamak icin ) we have hospitals for alcoholics and courts for criminals.....you want me to continue?

Yes, Instead of this we makes other nice thing. ?(Boyle sacma birseyler girme abi, kendi milletimi kotuletme bana, Ik tane rk topraklarmzdan surdugumu hatrlatrm, yada basortululer niversiteye almadgmz, cok yanls br sav bu) You want me to continue?

you call us nationalist but infact you are the one.but you are at the wrong side.you are an islamic nationalist.tell me which one makes more sense? I stand for my country and choose islam and adjust it to my own beliefs.and you stand for islam and islamic countries and think represent turkey.how many arabic or islamic country care about Turkey or Turks, have you ever thought of that? none! yet they hate us!

Again this has no relation with Jerusalem. Read some history books, Everybook Jerusalem or Mekke call as holy places.

this goes for you as well.don't think you represent Turkey here.where do you come up with the minorities of Turkey?I don't get it! I am a laz and I don't find myself in the urge of caring rest of the moslem world but Turkey!
Most of the Turkey have sympathy for Palestenians but that's it.they think they should get what they desire for.I am one of them.only people like you think jerusalem is holy for Turks.according to your logic you care less about palestenians.

My friend if you read all posts, you will see, I said Human life is more holy than Jerusalem.

By the way, do you know langauge of laz? Do you have school for your langauge? hmm? I have some friends, and they dont like this situation much.

This is not topic, we should support arabs for politics, this is not politics. You have some mistake at that. Turkey should do what is beneficial for it.(With some limits ofcourse, but this limits are not related with arabs)

I suggest you to not speak on behalf of turkey's majority here ever again!  please begin your sentences with  "I think" or "in my opinion"

This is true, but this is just what I think, and I saw at Turkey.

 


 

 

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  Quote erci Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2005 at 16:54
all I posted was to respond to your posts.if you think they are off topic then yours as well.

No, I don't think majority of Turkey think jerusalem is holy.as i said they only agree on issues with palestenias.yes, mecca is holy as it is for all moslems.but it is not the first priority of Turks.mecca is off topic anyway question is jerusalem and it is answered here in this topic.look, how many turkish forumers have interested in this thread!


yes I speak a little lazca.I didn't get your point tho.are you reffering that I can't speak lazca in Turkey if so that's complete BS.I pitty for your friends.Trabzon, Ordu and Rize have Lazca courses.even it had not I wouldn't care.my language is Turkish and I'm pretty good at it.

Originally posted by Murtaza

Yes, Instead of this we makes other nice thing. ?(Boyle sacma birseyler girme abi, kendi milletimi kotuletme bana, Ik tane rk topraklarmzdan surdugumu hatrlatrm, yada basortululer niversiteye almadgmz, cok yanls br sav bu) You want me to continue?


I would dare you to contunie but you're not worth it.you are one confused fella far more you're not even a Turk.I suggest you to change the country in your profile and immigrate to saudi arabia or jerusalem.that's all you good for!

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  Quote Murtaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2005 at 17:10

Trabzon, Ordu and Rize have Lazca courses.even it had not I wouldn't care.my language is Turkish and I'm pretty good at it.

so you dont care about culture of Lazs, but you call yourself Laz?

I would dare you to contunie but you're not worth it.you are one confused fella far more you're not even a Turk.I suggest you to change the country in your profile and immigrate to saudi arabia or jerusalem.that's all you good for!

Forget to tell, I am also a backstaber or traitor?

And I am Turk my friend, It looks like I am Turk more than you, do you forget you are a laz? Why are you accusing me to not becoming Turk?

And no thanks, I love my country, no need do immigrate saudi arabia .

Why you just dont let people to think what They want? arent you believe democracy? Will you tell them all, go away from my country?

look, how many turkish forumers have interested in this thread!

Should I remind you some of them is atheist? Why they should care for jerusalem? Do you think, Turkey have 99% atheist or Muslim?

uh. now.

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do not reply to my post, I replied your because You have no right to say go suidi arabia, or you are even not a turk . Thanks I dont need a lesson from a laz about becoming Turk.


 


 

 

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  Quote erci Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2005 at 17:16
I rest my case 
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  Quote Miller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jul-2005 at 21:09

Originally posted by azimuth

well well what other countries get as "Aid" is just some amount of money which is i think added to their depts.

while in the case of israel ther is "Support" not only money wise also military and technological support. which is also non stop.




Eygpt and many other arab government have very deep military cooperation with the US and even UAE is receiving F-16s that are more advanced than what is flown by the US itself (80 of them I believe). US is routinely using the bases in the UAE for flying spy planes in fact one of the U2s just recently crashed in the UAE, but as I said before the relationship between the US and Israel has a different nature and you can't compare that with relationship between the US and arab governments


Originally posted by azimuth

but anyway you think that the Isaeli are few people and we as Arabs are more and we are who are controling the media and showing that Israel is the terrore while the palistinains are the Occupation ressistance  am i right?


No, that is wrong. It is not what I believe

 

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And I am Turk my friend, It looks like I am Turk more than you, do you forget you are a laz? Why are you accusing me to not becoming Turk?

Murtaza, I couldnt be more dissappointed with another post from a Turkish forumer. Your ideas are bullshi**.

Erci is as Turk as you, me and any people who accepts he is Turkish. Our state system is based on these national unity philosophies.

Turk, Laz, Circassian, Albanian (Anavut), Kurd, Rum, Armenian etc. All of the societies who we share our country with are equal, and all of them who call themselves Turks are Turkish. I have been to Eastern Black Sea region of Turkey and I should say they are the most nationalistic and religious people I've ever met. Dont you remember the linching attemptions or others? They dont let PKK terrorists to enter their region, once the villagers united against them and fought withmilitants. They are much more loyal citizens than a lot Anatolian cities' societies.

If they want to learn their ancestoral languace, Laz, they will. If they want to wear their traditional costumes (they do, especially in Camlihemshin region, girls wear beautiful costumes), they are free at it. Who are you to claim more Turkness than our bothers who sacrificed their young sons for their countries since hundreds of years? I feel sorry about your ideas, and people who think the same way with you...



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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jul-2005 at 05:56

 

i just want to know something here, why do most turkish members here are not happy about going to Makka or Madina and accusing Saudis that they take their money?

i think you need to spend money for your residence and food anywhere you travel in the world dont you?

or there is some type of tax that saudi Arabia is taking form people who enters their land?

 

 

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  Quote erci Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jul-2005 at 18:22
as far as I know yes, you have to pay more beside hotel, food and transportation.I don't know what they call it tho.Holy land taxes maybe? I'm not sure if this applies for other nations.


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  Quote Aygucu Tonyukuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jul-2005 at 20:38

Of course Jerusalem is holy for Muslims. Muslims call her "Kuds" and "Kuds" means holy.

I'm a Turk and I'm a nationalist. But Turkish nation is not a racial community, it's more a cultural community. So Turkish nationalists are not racist. 

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