I knew it!!!!!!!! Federal EUROPE!

In the topic which I created about Brexit, I did write:

Originally posted by Mosquito Soon the British will vote in referendum about leaving or staying in the European Union. I hope that they will stay, not because it is good or bad for the British but because without Britain there will be no balance in the Union. Without Britain European Union will change into German controlled federation

And here we are:


This is what they want to present to all other european countries, from leaked document:

Our countries share a common destiny and a common set of values that give rise to an even closer union between our citizens. We will therefore strive for a political union in Europe and invite the next Europeans to participate in this venture.

President of European Parliament Martin Schultz:

"The British have violated the rules. It is not the EU philosophy that the crowd can decide its fate".

Plans for 'a closer European Union' have been branded an attempt to create a 'European superstate'. Germany's foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier and his French counterpart Jean-Marc Ayrault today presented a proposal for closer EU integration based on three key areas - internal and external security, the migrant crisis, and economic cooperation. But the plans have been described as an 'ultimatum' in Poland, with claims it would mean countries transfer their armies, economic systems and border controls to the EU.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/europe/27-06-2016/134834-france_germany_superstate-0/

http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/258994,New-EU-superstate-plan%E2%80%99-by-France-Germany-report

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/united-states-of-europe-eu-superstate.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3662827/Has-Britain-avoided-European-superstate-France-Germany-draw-plans-morph-EU-countries-one-control-members-armies-economies.html

Its too late. The beast or harlot has won. They have been at this since at least the 1940s. No one cares until it happens to them.

I said as much in the UK leaving EU thread/topic but was rubbished/ignored.


Edited by Arthur-Robin - 30-Jun-2016 at 05:43

Mosquito, this should be of interest to you, and should come as a warning to the rest of the EU.

Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising Mosquito, this should be of interest to you, and should come as a warning to the rest of the EU.

Nothing new for me in this lecture. I know how EU works.


And here somthing for you: how unelected president of European commission greets elected officials and heads of European states:



Edited by Mosquito - 05-Jul-2016 at 10:32

Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising Strange how a number of the things you've quoted above are not really as the gentleman in the video says, and it is his field of expertise, Mosquito. Are those who are chosen by our representatives either by choice or by abstention, not by extension our choices?

The procedure of choosing the president of European commission is very far from "free elections" in which anyone could run for the office. I consider the mandate of president of European commission as a very weak one.

Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising Hold on, Mosquito, that's like saying that the issues MEPs vote on are not valid because voters in the member states aren't voting directly in them. It is our representatives who are choosing. The people we put faith in when elected.

MEPs are only voting to approve the selected candidate for president of european comission, not choosing him. They can only say "yes" or "no" to the candidate selected by European Council. Its not the same as running for office in free elections. Therefore the heads of states or of goverments in european countries got much stronger mandate because they come from direct and free elections. The sociopath like Junckers would have rather no chances to be elected in free elections.

Edited by Mosquito - 17-Jul-2016 at 13:17

Originally posted by Mosquito Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising Hold on, Mosquito, that's like saying that the issues MEPs vote on are not valid because voters in the member states aren't voting directly in them. It is our representatives who are choosing. The people we put faith in when elected.  MEPs are only voting to approve the selected candidate for president of european comission, not choosing him. They can only say "yes" or "no" to the candidate selected by European Council. Its not the same as running for office in free elections. Therefore the heads of states or of goverments in european countries got much stronger mandate because they come from direct and free elections. The sociopath like Junckers would have rather no chances to be elected in free elections.

Originally posted by Mosquito Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising Yes, Mosquito, the MEPs vote for the candidate only after they are chosen by the European commission who are the leaders of countries who democratically were chosen to lead their individual nations as our representatives. Hardly then an undemocratic process at all. obedient puppets of establishment or rather of Germany