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Q: Guerrilla War or Terrorism?

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    Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 16:14
Originally posted by demon

Here is my point of view:

Guerilla- target of important figues, army, systems only

Terrorism- innocent involved.

Osama bin laden- terrorist(he didn't have to kill those innocent blacks in Africa)

Iraqi insurgent-

                 Those who cut heads- Terrorists and Cowards.  Allah is very displeased with their cowardice

                 Those who fight american soldiers- I would have to say guerillas because their cause is not bad

 

The so called "attack on important figures, military and systems" always result in civillian casualties. By the way, leaders are civillians too.

By the way, the real Spanish Guerrillas who were the first to be called so used attrocious tactics against Spaniards who sided with Napoleonic forces. There is no real difference between Guerilla and Terrorist... It is same with the terms "invasion" and "liberation".

Note that regular soldiers killed more civillians than did "terrorists". Does that mean that the term soldier becomes the eqivelent of "rapist, torturer, murderer etc."?

Condemning of "cutting heads" is most stupid. It may look bloody, but isn't it better than torture, or burning people with Napalm? Hostage taking was always a part of guerilla, terrorist and even regular warfare.

Note that both Richard and Saladin took prisioners, and I  don't know about Saladin but Richard did behead those that were not ransomed.

The thing that is bad about Bin Laden is not that he is a "terrorist/guerilla" but because he kills civillians and seeks to impose the fascist Islamic fundementalism in nations of Middle East.

 

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  Quote demon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Sep-2004 at 17:05

Maybe you are right Evildoer. 

But arn't leaders considered soldiers, because Geneva convention did not include leaders in the civilian section?

Grrr..
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  Quote Maciek Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 01:50
Originally posted by demon

Guerilla:  Doesn't damage innocents.  If they do, it was pure accident.

Terrorists: Damage innocents deliberately.  No accident, but planned.

I like this definition.

I like this definition in general - some base to start discuss details (if needed).  I like to say only about US soldiers exemple as terrorists - it depends on what You believe: 1 are they in Iraq for killing innocente people and so on or 2 only to stabilise the situation (even if they are doing it with very bad methods).

If the answer is 2 - they cannot be name terrorists and people who fighting them are.

In Poland holocaust was a terrible nightmare - thats true and none should ever forget it.

 



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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 17:56

Well, anybody can claim to be "stabilizing" any situation. Bin Laden could cliam that he was trying to "stabilize" the balance of power. Nazis can claim to "stabilize" the Jews.

What they claim counts for nothing.

All revolutionary and resistance groups fighting against oppression were fighting against "stability" that was imposed upon them by tyranny.

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  Quote maersk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 20:00

recent examples:

 

al queda=terroists, dont care who they kill, they want to establish a worldwide caliphate.

 

zapatistas=geurillas, fighting for their own autonomy against a government that has oppressed them for decades if not centuries.

"behold, vajik, khan of the magyars, scourge of the pannonian plain!"
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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 23:49

A guerilla is a glorified terrorist, and a terrorist is a degraded terrorist that is all. There are many that are half-way in between:

For example, Moscow Theatre Hostage takers: They want independence and freedom for Chechenya, they did not kill civillians en-mass when they could have (when Russians stormed the building), but they did kill innocents within the theatre, and mistreated some of hostages.

The thing that makes Al-Qaeda dangerous is their ideology, not their "terrorist" nature.

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